PipeChat Digest #3189 - Saturday, October 19, 2002
 
RE: Converting to Haskell
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Converting to Haskell
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Re: Converting to Haskell
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Cigna and breast cancer
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3188 - 10/19/02
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Converting to Haskell
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Converting to Haskell
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Organ Festival/ Rededication/Bruce Prince-Joseph
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Haskelling
  by <CNpipeorgn@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Converting to Haskell From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:50:25 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C27733.6BA04C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I wouldn't recommend getting Haskell pipes. You have a 1975 Casavant so = the sagging is a result of "cold creep". The simplest solution is to remove = the afflicted pipes, undo the mitres, remove the brace and make all the parts "round" again. Reassemble everything and reinstall in the chamber and support the horizontal top section with something as simple as twill tape from above. Casavant started supporting from above in the early 1980's. = The time to do this should not amount to more than 8 hours labour.   I've never seen or known of any Casavant trumpets from 1975 to have tuning "slides" or slots on their resonators. The pipes were obviously voiced "dead-length", and if they are temperamental the resonators are likely too long, or the pipes are dirty, or a combination of all sorts of things. = Have an expert reed voicer look at the situation. Slotting the pipes MIGHT be a solution, but I doubt it. I'd suggest talking to Herb Heustis about the temperamental trumpets.   AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:59 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Converting to Haskell   Today when the organ at First Baptist Gainesville FL was being tuned I was shown three of the bass pipes of the Principal 8 (pedal) which are mitred and are collapsing at the top. The weight of the horizontal top section = is causing it to sag and also to cause denting in the vertical section of the pipe where the brace is attached. I discussed the possibility of converting these pipes from full length to Haskell. He felt it was a = good solution but has never made Haskell pipes.   I was wondering if anyone has, or knows of anyone who has, converted pipe from mitred to Haskell?   As PS, it was really exciting to play in-tune french reeds! They are quite exciting. Because they are so temperamental we also discussed the possibility of adding tuning slides to the tops of the resonators as a solution to the precarious nature of tuning only on the wire. Has anyone had experience with this?     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C27733.6BA04C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <meta http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C27733.69CBDA40"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle15 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US style=3D3D'tab-interval:.5in'>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I = =3D wouldn&#8217;t recommend getting Haskell pipes. You have a 1975 Casavant so the sagging = =3D is a result of &#8220;cold creep&#8221;. The simplest solution is to remove =3D the afflicted pipes, undo the mitres, remove the brace and make all the parts =3D &#8220;round&#8221; again. Reassemble everything and reinstall in the chamber and support the =3D horizontal top section with something as simple as twill tape from above. Casavant = =3D started supporting from above in the early 1980&#8217;s. The time to do this =3D should not amount to more than 8 hours labour.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I&= =3D #8217;ve never seen or known of any Casavant trumpets from 1975 to have tuning =3D &#8220;slides&#8221; or slots on their resonators. The pipes were obviously voiced =3D &#8220;dead-length&#8221;, and if they are temperamental the resonators are likely too long, or the =3D pipes are dirty, or a combination of all sorts of things. Have an expert reed =3D voicer look at the situation. Slotting the pipes MIGHT be a solution, but I doubt =3D it. I&#8217;d suggest talking to Herb Heustis about the temperamental =3D trumpets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Aj= =3D M<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Cremona502@cs.com<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 18, = =3D 2002 11:59 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Converting to = =3D Haskell</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Today when the organ at First Baptist Gainesville FL was being tuned I was =3D shown three of the bass pipes of the Principal 8 (pedal) which are mitred and = =3D are collapsing at the top. &nbsp;&nbsp;The weight of the horizontal top =3D section is causing it to sag and also to cause denting in the vertical section of =3D the pipe where the brace is attached. &nbsp;&nbsp;I discussed the possibility of converting these pipes from full length to Haskell. &nbsp;&nbsp;He felt = =3D it was a good solution but has never made Haskell pipes. <br> <br> I was wondering if anyone has, or knows of anyone who has, converted =3D pipe from mitred to Haskell? <br> <br> As &nbsp;PS, it was really exciting to play in-tune french reeds! &nbsp;&nbsp;They are quite exciting. &nbsp;&nbsp;Because they are so temperamental we also discussed the possibility of adding tuning slides = =3D to the tops of the resonators as a solution to the precarious nature of tuning = =3D only on the wire. &nbsp;Has anyone had experience with this? &nbsp; <br> <br> <br> Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <br> ....an opportunity for health &amp; wealth =3D &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</span></font><font color=3D3Dblack><span =3D style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= =3D /p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C27733.6BA04C20--    
(back) Subject: Re: Converting to Haskell From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:22:16 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   --Boundary_(ID_n3PviF1klwQeSNH3JpS7sg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   Bruce:   A simple answer for a simple question. Yes, you can haskell the pipes =3D in question, we do it routinely. Virtually all of our Swell Celeste's =3D bottom octaves are haskelled. Sometimes new pipes, sometimes old =3D haskell pipes, sometimes old pipes we shorten and add canisters. I have = =3D even haskelled a 16' Open wood with rectangular wooden canisters in =3D order to rescale a 16" x 24" stop 5 notes smaller. Practically every =3D other Violone pipe in the facade at St. Augustine Cathedral in =3D Kalamazoo, MI is haskelled by necessity. The formula is widely known. = =3D The inside canister's diameter is .707 times the diameter of the pipe. = =3D The canister must protrude 1/3 it's diameter above the top of the pipe. = =3D The total length of the unhaskelled pipe and the haskelled pipe body =3D with haskell insert will be approximately the same. There will likely = =3D be voicing involved--sometimes amazingly little is required after this =3D treatment is applied. Other times, all the skills a voicer possesses =3D won't seem to be enough. Since Estey's demise little work has been =3D pursued with haskelled pipes, I find this unfortunate. They used a =3D variety of "scoops" and recesses in their lanquids as well as =3D multi-level languids. It would intrigue me to have time to "play" with = =3D this very interesting type of pipe.   Would I do it to the pipes in question, probably not if they could be =3D rounded up and supported properly.   However, in the proper hands, haskells are in invaluable tool for the =3D organbuilder.   As for the reeds, good luck. I doubt the tuning slides alone will prove = =3D to be of much help. There are many things going on that contribute to =3D the instability of the tuning of these reeds.   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com=3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: Converting to Haskell     Today when the organ at First Baptist Gainesville FL was being tuned I = =3D was shown three of the bass pipes of the Principal 8 (pedal) which are =3D mitred and are collapsing at the top. The weight of the horizontal top = =3D section is causing it to sag and also to cause denting in the vertical =3D section of the pipe where the brace is attached. I discussed the =3D possibility of converting these pipes from full length to Haskell. He = =3D felt it was a good solution but has never made Haskell pipes.=3D20   I was wondering if anyone has, or knows of anyone who has, converted =3D pipe from mitred to Haskell?=3D20   As PS, it was really exciting to play in-tune french reeds! They =3D are quite exciting. Because they are so temperamental we also =3D discussed the possibility of adding tuning slides to the tops of the =3D resonators as a solution to the precarious nature of tuning only on the = =3D wire. Has anyone had experience with this? =3D20     Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502=3D20 ...an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053 = =3D   --Boundary_(ID_n3PviF1klwQeSNH3JpS7sg) Content-type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bruce:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A simple answer for a simple = question.&nbsp; Yes, you can haskell the pipes in question, we do it routinely.&nbsp; Virtually = all of our Swell Celeste's bottom octaves are haskelled.&nbsp; Sometimes new = pipes, sometimes old haskell pipes, sometimes old pipes we shorten and add canisters.&nbsp; I have even haskelled a 16' Open wood with rectangular = wooden canisters in order to rescale a 16" x 24" stop 5 notes smaller.&nbsp;&nbsp;Practically every other Violone pipe in the facade at = St. Augustine Cathedral in Kalamazoo, MI is haskelled by necessity.&nbsp; The formula is widely known.&nbsp; The inside canister's diameter is = .707&nbsp;times the diameter of the pipe.&nbsp; The canister must protrude 1/3 it's = diameter above the top of the pipe.&nbsp; The total length of the unhaskelled pipe = and the haskelled pipe body&nbsp;with haskell insert&nbsp; will be = approximately the same.&nbsp; There will likely be voicing involved--sometimes amazingly = little is required after this treatment is applied.&nbsp; Other times, all the = skills a voicer possesses won't seem to be enough.&nbsp; Since Estey's demise = little work has been pursued with haskelled pipes, I find this unfortunate.&nbsp; They = used a variety of "scoops" and recesses in their lanquids as well as = multi-level languids.&nbsp; It would intrigue me to have time to "play" with this very =   interesting type of pipe.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would I do it to the pipes in question, = probably not if they could be rounded up and supported properly.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, in the proper hands, haskells = are in invaluable tool for the organbuilder.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for the reeds, good luck.&nbsp; I = doubt the tuning slides alone will prove to be of much help.&nbsp; There are many = things going on that contribute to the instability of the tuning of these reeds.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>C. Joseph Nichols<BR>Nichols &amp; = Simpson, Inc.<BR><A href=3D"http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com">www.nicholsandsimpson.com</A></FO= NT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3DCremona502@cs.com href=3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 18, 2002 = 10:58 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Converting to = Haskell</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Today when = the organ at First Baptist Gainesville FL was being tuned I was shown three of the = bass pipes of the Principal 8 (pedal) which are mitred and are collapsing at = the top. &nbsp;&nbsp;The weight of the horizontal top section is causing it = to sag and also to cause denting in the vertical section of the pipe where the = brace is attached. &nbsp;&nbsp;I discussed the possibility of converting these = pipes from full length to Haskell. &nbsp;&nbsp;He felt it was a good solution = but has never made Haskell pipes. <BR><BR>I was wondering if anyone has, or = knows of anyone who has, converted pipe from mitred to Haskell? <BR><BR>As = &nbsp;PS, it was really exciting to play in-tune french reeds! &nbsp;&nbsp;They = are quite exciting. &nbsp;&nbsp;Because they are so temperamental we also discussed the possibility of adding tuning slides to the tops of the resonators as a solution to the precarious nature of tuning only on the = wire. &nbsp;Has anyone had experience with this? &nbsp; <BR><BR><BR>Bruce in = the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT> = </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   --Boundary_(ID_n3PviF1klwQeSNH3JpS7sg)--  
(back) Subject: Re: Converting to Haskell From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:26:02 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   --Boundary_(ID_WgA9bo9oSjQhFBlHYbIlCQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable         In a message dated 10/19/02 12:06:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D jonberts@magiccablepc.com writes:=3D20       You will have to have new pipes for "Haskells". The diameters of=3D20 your current pipes will not work out. Is this by anychance a=3D20 M=3DF6ller?   I disagree. The diameters of the haskelled and "unhaskelled" pipes =3D are the same. This is proven by the "every other note" experience we =3D just had in Kalamazoo.   By the way, Ken Cowan will dedicate our new instrument at St. =3D Augustine Cathedral in Kalmazoo, MI on Sunday October 27th at 4:00 PM.   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. www.nicholsandsimpson.com=3D   --Boundary_(ID_WgA9bo9oSjQhFBlHYbIlCQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT =3D face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>In a message dated 10/19/02 12:06:20 AM Eastern Daylight =3D Time, <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:jonberts@magiccablepc.com">jonberts@magiccablepc.com</A> = =3D writes:=3D20 <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">You will have to have new pipes for "Haskells". =3D &nbsp;The=3D20 diameters of <BR>your current pipes will not work out. &nbsp;Is this = =3D by=3D20 anychance a <BR>M=3DF6ller?</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>I disagree.&nbsp; The diameters of the haskelled and =3D "unhaskelled"=3D20 pipes are the same.&nbsp; This is proven by the "every other note" =3D experience=3D20 we just had in Kalamazoo.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>By the way, Ken Cowan will dedicate our new =3D instrument at=3D20 St. Augustine Cathedral in Kalmazoo, MI on Sunday October 27th at 4:00 = =3D   PM.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>C. Joseph Nichols<BR>Nichols &amp; Simpson, =3D Inc.<BR><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com">www.nicholsandsimpson.com</A></= =3D FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   --Boundary_(ID_WgA9bo9oSjQhFBlHYbIlCQ)--  
(back) Subject: Cigna and breast cancer From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:52:58 EDT   If you go to the Cigna web site and click on the pink ribbon, Cigna will donate $1.00 to fight breast cancer. Only good the month of October - pass it on! =   Thank you !   http://www.cignafoundation.org  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3188 - 10/19/02 From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:54:50 -0500   How about better braces on the basses? That is, if the braces--perhaps = two are needed for each pipe-- are secure and if they have a larger = "footprint" on the lower end, then the weight will be distributed better. Or Bruce, toss 'em out and stick in an 8' gedeckt. You don't need a principal = anyway! <gdr>   Dennis Steckley "For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take occasion to bless Almighty God." ----- Original Message ----- The problem here is that the installation is very tight. I don't think we=3D20 could get larger pipes in there. This is a 1975 Casavant (on my = webpage=3D20 under pipe organs).        
(back) Subject: Re: Converting to Haskell From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:54:45 -0500   Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > > Today when the organ at First Baptist Gainesville FL was > being tuned I was shown three of the bass pipes of the > Principal 8 (pedal) which are mitred and are collapsing at > the top. The weight of the horizontal top section is > causing it to sag and also to cause denting in the > vertical section of the pipe where the brace is attached. > I discussed the possibility of converting these pipes > from full length to Haskell. He felt it was a good > solution but has never made Haskell pipes. > > I was wondering if anyone has, or knows of anyone who has, > converted pipe from mitred to Haskell?   The problem with your bass pipes is that they are made of over-pure (and thus soft) electrolytic zinc. This is a very common problem these days. One solution might be simply to straighten them and to provide additional wooden racking to support them. The Haskell solution might also work. Organ Supply Industries of Erie, Pa., will Haskellize existing pipes for something around half the cost of a new pipe.   John Speller   > As PS, it was really exciting to play in-tune french > reeds! They are quite exciting. Because they are so > temperamental we also discussed the possibility of adding > tuning slides to the tops of the resonators as a solution > to the precarious nature of tuning only on the wire. Has > anyone had experience with this?   It really isn't a good idea to tune reeds that were designed to tune on the wire by using tuning slides, and vice versa. This tends to make them even less stable than before, and generally ruins the regulation. It would also be extremely difficult to retrofit tuning slides to outwardly tapering dead-length trumpet resonators and get them to stay in place. My advice would be to attempt to live with your reeds as they are, or if you can't do that to consider having them completely rebuilt and revoiced to be more stable, or even completely replaced with new reeds.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Converting to Haskell From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:57:57 -0500   I believe Bruce's organ is a Casavant. On modern Casavants the reeds are generally "dead-length" reeds with no tuning slides or scrolls.   jon bertschinger wrote: > > You will have to have new pipes for "Haskells". The diameters of > your current pipes will not work out. Is this by anychance a > M=F6ller? > If so you should probably just replace the pipes...some of their > metal was too thin for the size of the pipe. > > As to tuning slots in the tops of reeds....they should already be > there. Is there a chance that they have not been rolled/curled > out yet? check carefully, they may be scribed for scrolls > already.  
(back) Subject: Organ Festival/ Rededication/Bruce Prince-Joseph From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:19:13 -0500   Hello all:   This is just an announcement of an upcoming event (which I will miss).   Liberty Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) is having the rededication of their organ. We originally installed this in 1971, and last year updated and expanded (more below about that).   Here is the information as it will appear in this week's newsletter from the church: "ORGAN FESTIVAL DAY", Sunday, 27th, October!   "We plan on having a dedication for our updated(*) organ during the Sunday morning worship service as well as at 5:00PM in the sanctuary. Four local church organists - Sharon Parker, Ann Posey, Dr. Polly Riddle, and Carol Wallace - will be featured in cameo performances during the first part of the concert, and after a short intermission, Bruce Prince-Joseph from St. Mary's Episcopal Church will be guest organist for the second half of the program.   A reception following the concert will be held in our fellowship hall in honor of the performers and Jean Brenton (she was organist at time of original installation, and retired last year). Tickets are available for $5.00 per adult with a $15.00 maximum charge per family."     Liberty Christian Church 427 East Kansas Street Liberty, Missouri   For ticket information phone 816.781.3621 (church office)   *the updating included an all new computer control system, with 32 levels of piston memory, 32 independent levels of crescendo, and 32 independent Tutti (all organist settable). The system features fibre optic transmission from console to chambers and can be changed at any time via re-configuration from console keys. The original organ was installed in chambers with no pipe work showing (architects demand!). The new console is designed with preparations for moving Great division in front of present grills and the addition of pipes for a new Choir division in present Great location. Some registers were pulled from the Great and Swell for use on the Choir manual at this time. Also added was a new floating 8' & 4' polished copper en-chamade. It is above the grill openings and at this time is only pipe work visible.   26 stops, 29 ranks, 3m/pd. draw stop console with adjustable bench.   pictures are available for those interested.     Best Wishes to all on the lists and I'm gone until the 30th.       Sincerely,   Jon Bertschinger Tonal Director Temple Organs Saint Joseph, MO (North Kansas City area)   Fine custom pipe organs since 1953.  
(back) Subject: Re: Haskelling From: <CNpipeorgn@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:25:15 EDT     --part1_a3.306c703d.2ae2e16b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce: Have you thought of contacting Casavant ? Assuming they are the builder from previous posts, they would be the ones to ask about these problems and would be able to prescribe solutions to your problems.   CN   --part1_a3.306c703d.2ae2e16b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Bruce: &nbsp;Have you thought of = contacting <I>Casavant</I> ? &nbsp;Assuming they are the builder from = previous posts, they would be the ones to ask about these problems and = would be able to prescribe solutions to your problems. <BR> <BR>CN</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a3.306c703d.2ae2e16b_boundary--