PipeChat Digest #3196 - Saturday, October 26, 2002
 
5m consoles built for canadian churches
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: 5m consoles built for canadian churches
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Casavant opus#163
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: 5m consoles built for canadian churches
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: 5m consoles built for canadian churches
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Maritime service people
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
5 manual consoles for Canadian churches
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
George and Seibert Losh
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: George and Seibert Losh
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 

(back) Subject: 5m consoles built for canadian churches From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:51:08 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C27C1C.CE8A64E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by marlo.eagle.ca id = g9PFgLb72229   Pipechatters: I=3D92m trying to determine when the last 5 m console was = bui=3D lt and destined for a Canadian church. And to be a little more specific, = I=3D92=3D m writing about consoles for pneumatic organs. So far the newest I know of is the 1953 5m. Casavant replacement for an older 1912 or (14) Casavant console located in Timothy Eaton Memorial = Uni=3D ted Church, Toronto. Please correct me if I=3D92m wrong. Thanks to any who = resp=3D ond. Ajm   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C27C1C.CE8A64E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =3D xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <meta http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C27C1C.CD9F68A0"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle16 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D3D"edit" spidmax=3D3D"1027"/> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D3D"edit" data=3D3D"1"/> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head>   <body bgcolor=3D3Dwhite lang=3D3DEN-US style=3D3D'tab-interval:.5in'>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Pipechatters: = =3D I&#8217;m trying to determine when the last 5 m console was built and destined for a =3D Canadian church. And to be a little more specific, I&#8217;m writing about =3D consoles for pneumatic organs.</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy;mso-color-alt:win= =3D dowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =3D class=3D3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So far the newest I know of is the 1953 5m. =3D Casavant replacement for an older 1912 or (14) Casavant console located in Timothy Eaton =3D Memorial United Church, Toronto. Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong. Thanks to = =3D any who respond.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =3D class=3D3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ajm<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C27C1C.CE8A64E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: 5m consoles built for canadian churches From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:54:33 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_8384607= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 11:51 AM 10/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:   >Pipechatters: I m trying to determine when the last 5 m console was built =   >and destined for a Canadian church. And to be a little more specific, I m =   >writing about consoles for pneumatic organs. > >So far the newest I know of is the 1953 5m. Casavant replacement for an >older 1912 or (14) Casavant console located in Timothy Eaton Memorial >United Church, Toronto. Please correct me if I m wrong. Thanks to any who =   >respond. > >Ajm   Andrew,   If you are correct, I think it is about time for another one. Fifty years =   between specimans is a long time.   Arie V. --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_8384607= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 11:51 AM 10/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D2 = color=3D"#000080">Pipechatters: I m trying to determine when the last 5 m console was built and destined for a Canadian church. And to be a little more specific, I m writing about consoles for pneumatic organs.<br> </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">So far the newest I know = of is the 1953 5m. Casavant replacement for an older 1912 or (14) Casavant console located in Timothy Eaton Memorial United Church, Toronto. Please correct me if I m wrong. Thanks to any who respond.<br> </font><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2 color=3D"#000080">Ajm</blockquote><br> Andrew,<br> <br> If you are correct, I think it is about time for another one.&nbsp; Fifty years between specimans is a long time.<br> <br> Arie V.</font></html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_8384607= =3D=3D_.ALT--      
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant opus#163 From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:49:31 -0400   At 09:59 PM 10/24/2002 -0300, you wrote: > Just reading the Provincial Paper the Chronicle Herald, Halifax NS > I was pleased and surprised to turn a few pages to find a large Photo = of >the recently Restored Casavant Organ opus 163 built 1902 ,Originally >installed at Robie Street Methodist later named St Andrews United Church = for >$1,800.St. Andrew's now has Casavant 2106 installed in 1952 > Opus 163 was moved shortly before the latter was installed, and was = moved >to and installed in Gordon Providence United Church in Bridgetown NS = ,about >120 miles from Halifax for a total cost of $3,451.54. > Opus #163 was releathered and cleaned and pipes repaired, tuned and >voiced. the Organ has 750 pipes.The organ had never been revoiced for the >building it was moved to, so that is one thing that also was done > Replacement of the Pipe Organ was considered but at a cost of $200,000. = THe >Restoration Option was chosen at a cost of $30,000 > Hope all of you on the list find the above interesting. > Danielwh > 2000EP Biggs fellow Hi,   Is there any information as to who did the restoration? From my limited understanding of the maritimes, pipe organ service people are in chronic short supply.   Cheers,   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: 5m consoles built for canadian churches From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:19:48 EDT     --part1_6.de6ac6.2aeae544_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I am quite surprised that there are not more 5 manual consoles. I have played many organs that would benefit from having a 5th manual. Maybe = that's what pistons are for. Oh Well, Gregory   --part1_6.de6ac6.2aeae544_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am quite surprised = that there are not more 5 manual consoles. &nbsp;I have played many organs = that would benefit from having a 5th manual. &nbsp;Maybe that's what = pistons are for. <BR>Oh Well, <BR>Gregory</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.de6ac6.2aeae544_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: 5m consoles built for canadian churches From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:19:45 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C27C53.189A7260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Gregory: I'm not writing to inform people that there have been no new 5m consoles installed in Canadian churches for the past 50 years. I really cannot accurately know until I throw the question out to the list. All I'm saying is: does anyone know of a newer 5m console than the 1953 console = I've mentioned? I'm not debating the merits or demerits of 4 or 5 manual = consoles either. But, I'm also surprised by the lack of new 5m consoles in Canada. Compared to the US were miles behind.   thanks for responding AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Gfc234@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:20 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: 5m consoles built for canadian churches   I am quite surprised that there are not more 5 manual consoles. I have played many organs that would benefit from having a 5th manual. Maybe that's what pistons are for. Oh Well, Gregory   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C27C53.189A7260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <meta http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C27C52.8A309F40"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle15 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US style=3D3D'tab-interval:.5in'>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Gr= =3D egory: I&#8217;m not writing to inform people that there have been no new 5m consoles =3D installed in Canadian churches for the past 50 years. I really cannot accurately =3D know until I throw the question out to the list. All I&#8217;m saying is: =3D does anyone know of a newer 5m console than the 1953 console I&#8217;ve mentioned? =3D I&#8217;m not debating the merits or demerits of 4 or 5 manual consoles =3D either&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bu= =3D t, I&#8217;m also surprised by the lack of new 5m consoles in Canada. Compared to the =3D US were miles behind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>th= =3D anks for responding<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Aj= =3D M<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Gfc234@aol.com<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 25, = =3D 2002 2:20 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: 5m consoles = =3D built for canadian churches</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am quite surprised that there are not more 5 manual consoles. &nbsp;I have = =3D played many organs that would benefit from having a 5th manual. &nbsp;Maybe =3D that's what pistons are for. <br> Oh Well, <br> Gregory</span></font><font color=3D3Dblack><span =3D style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C27C53.189A7260--    
(back) Subject: Maritime service people From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:19:49 -0400   Arie: I understand Hugh Knapton has set up shop out east and is = maintaining things in east Ontario as well. AjM   Is there any information as to who did the restoration? From my limited understanding of the maritimes, pipe organ service people are in chronic short supply.   Cheers,   Arie V.          
(back) Subject: 5 manual consoles for Canadian churches From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:30:03 EDT   Gregory of Northern Illinois University (<<Gfc234@aol.com>>) wrote: "I am quite surprised that there are not more 5 manual consoles. I = have played many organs that would benefit from having a 5th manual. Maybe = that's what pistons are for. Oh Well." As both an organist and an organbuilder, I have never encountered this =   situation, and certainly not with the frequency you have. In the past = year, I attended several recitals on a five-manual instrument, and do not remember =   any of the artists using the fifth manual, despite the abundance of 19th = and 20th century repertoire offered. Please share your further thoughts with the list. SMG  
(back) Subject: George and Seibert Losh From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:19:11 -0400   HELP!   I've looked a number of places for info on George Lost and Seibert Losh and the firm they headed and hve not succeeded very well. Can anyone give tghe following info:   George Losh: birth and death dates where lived; where died; where buried names of wife and children   Seibert Losh birth and death dates where lived; where died; where buried names of wife and children   One of these or perhaps a close relative lived in Hershey PA and was responsible for several pipe organs there, including the organ from the = old Edison recording studio moved to Derry Presbyterian Church in Hershey. = Can anyoen comment on any of this?   Is there any worthy writing about this firm and about these two men = which might be available on line, for sale, or in book form for interlibrary = loan?   Thanks for your help.   Cordially,   Dr. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: George and Seibert Losh From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:52:30 -0500   At 10:19 PM -0400 10/25/2002, Karl Moyer wrote: > > Is there any worthy writing about this firm and about these two men = which >might be available on line, for sale, or in book form for interlibrary = loan?   Karl   There is a whole Chapter on the Midmer-Losh Company that includes information you are seeking in Stephen Smith's book "Atlantic City's Musical masterpiece - The Story of the World's Largest Pipe Organ" Go to http://www.acchos.org for ordering information   David