PipeChat Digest #3106 - Monday, September 2, 2002
 
Re:
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A depressing landscape
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Franck Choral in A Minor
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
A depressing landscape
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: A depressing landscape
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Sunday, September 1
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: FRANCK Choral in A minor
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Sunday, September 1
  by <patmai@juno.com>
Re: A depressing landscape
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
Re: Performance Notice (x-posted
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Performance Notice (x-posted
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Date(s) for Grayson Ives
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
Re: Date(s) for Grayson Ives
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:52:40 EDT     --part1_3f.10eb3b92.2aa50d78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/2/02 11:59:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgbaker@access-4-free.com writes:     > It is comforting to know that there are others out there who like to > reinvent the wheel, as I do. Problem is that for people who have ADHD, > such as myself, I'll spend all day on it and nothing else will get done. =   David, I presume that you're referring to the database for cataloging organ = music. My recommendation is to decide what you need in the database, rather than what features would be really cool to have available, and then design you database in a lean and efficient manner. This way your day of work as = been well-spent and you will be saving yourself time in the future. My = problem with purchased programs for cataloging is that they do far, far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more than most people need resulting in a = waste of time and money, in addition, leaving the user with a cumbersome program = to deal with. Efficiency and brevity are far too often neglected in = "office helpers" these days.   When I began cataloging my music, I began with the music I used most = often, then gradually adding things in small stacks as time permitted. I use Microsoft "sheet or chart" which allows me to alphabetize and categorize easily and also get an overall look very easily.   Good luck.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_3f.10eb3b92.2aa50d78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/2/02 11:59:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgbaker@access-4-free.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It is comforting = to know that there are others out there who like to reinvent the wheel, as = I do. &nbsp;Problem is that for people who have ADHD, such as myself, I'll = spend all day on it and nothing else will get done. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>David, <BR>I presume that you're referring to the database for cataloging organ = music. &nbsp;My recommendation is to decide what you need in the database, = rather than what features would be really cool to have available, and then = design you database in a lean and efficient manner. &nbsp;&nbsp;This way = your day of work as been well-spent and you will be saving yourself time = in the future. &nbsp;&nbsp;My problem with purchased programs for = cataloging is that they do far, far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more = than most people need resulting in a waste of time and money, in addition, = leaving the user with a cumbersome program to deal with. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Efficiency and brevity are far too often neglected in = "office helpers" these days. <BR> <BR>When I began cataloging my music, I began with the music I used most = often, then gradually adding things in small stacks as time permitted. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I use Microsoft "sheet or chart" which allows me to = alphabetize and categorize easily and also get an overall look very = easily. <BR> <BR>Good luck. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3f.10eb3b92.2aa50d78_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A depressing landscape From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:57:44 EDT     --part1_26.2d29e548.2aa50ea8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/2/02 12:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk writes:     > I mentioned all this terrible decline to the Vicar of the church where = the > wedding was held. His answer sent a chill down my spine, as he explained =   > how God was moving in the parish.   Colin, your message is very sad. It is indeed unfortunately that the clergy = seem to be responding to the wrong voice. God is being ignored because the "other side" offers quicker and more expedient solutions that fit into the =   present culture. God will prevail and the church will survive, but we = may lose many of the glorious buildings, organs and art which have been = erected to glorify God. As in the early church, the time may again come when we will have to glorify God in our hearts. The powers of Darkness are at work... very tragically, the clergy are far too often the same for both sides.   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_26.2d29e548.2aa50ea8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/2/02 12:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I mentioned all = this terrible decline to the Vicar of the church where the wedding was = held. His answer sent a chill down my spine, as he explained how God was = moving in the parish. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Colin, <BR>your message is very sad. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is indeed unfortunately that = the clergy seem to be responding to the wrong voice. &nbsp;&nbsp;God is = being ignored because the "other side" offers quicker and more expedient = solutions that fit into the present culture. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;God will = prevail and the church will survive, but we may lose many of the glorious = buildings, organs and art which have been erected to glorify God. = &nbsp;&nbsp;As in the early church, the time may again come when we will = have to glorify God in our hearts. &nbsp;&nbsp;The powers of Darkness are = at work... &nbsp;very tragically, the clergy are far too often the same = for both sides. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.2d29e548.2aa50ea8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck Choral in A Minor From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:02:27 EDT     --part1_123.15f06194.2aa50fc3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/2/02 12:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fbcorganist@charter.net writes:     > I am studying Franck's Choral No. 3 in A Minor. I have been told that = the > opening and recurring passage of 16th notes could have been written in > Bach's style, so it should be played with Baroque Legato touch, or = slightly > detached. However, knowing Franck was a Romanticist and playing some of =   > his other works, I've played them all as legato as possible. What = should I > do here?   Use your ears (not to play, but to listen!!) ;-) . The way you play = these notes will vary from building to building. My advice is to learn them so =   that you CAN play them cleanly and detached and very precise. Then = modify HOW you play them as necessary. If you learn them well the FIRST TIME, = you will probably never have trouble adjusting to different circumstances.   Good luck. The a-minor is one of my very favorite pieces and standard postlude for funerals (beginning after the solo).   Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_123.15f06194.2aa50fc3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/2/02 12:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fbcorganist@charter.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am studying = Franck's Choral No. 3 in A Minor. &nbsp;I have been told that the opening = and recurring passage of 16th notes could have been written in Bach's = style, so it should be played with Baroque Legato touch, or slightly = detached. &nbsp;However, knowing Franck was a Romanticist and playing some = of his other works, I've played them all as legato as possible. &nbsp;What = should I do here? &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Use your ears (not to play, but to listen!!) &nbsp;;-) . = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The way you play these notes will vary from building to = building. &nbsp;&nbsp;My advice is to learn them so that you CAN play them = cleanly and detached and very precise. &nbsp;&nbsp;Then modify HOW you = play them as necessary. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you learn them well the FIRST TIME, = you will probably never have trouble adjusting to different circumstances. <BR> <BR>Good luck. &nbsp;The a-minor is one of my very favorite pieces and = standard postlude for funerals (beginning after the solo). <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_123.15f06194.2aa50fc3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: A depressing landscape From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 15:20:17 -0400   In reading Colin Mitchell's story about the "modernization" of a parish church where he had played a wedding, I was reminded of what the Jesuits tried to to with Immaculate Conception church in Boston. They emptied out the church of pews, walled off the aisles and made offices and reduced the "worship space" to virtually nothing, I believe. Then a new pastor was appointed who saw that what had happened was outrageous, and who was sensitive to the outrage that the organist community and others had expressed in no uncertain terms. He undid a lot of the damage and eventually hired a highly competent organist - Christa Rakich - to preside over the wonderful Hook & Hastings organ. See http://www.jucboston.org. = I hope that story will brighten your day, Colin! David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: A depressing landscape From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:37:36 -0500   At 3:20 PM -0400 09/02/2002, David Baker wrote: >In reading Colin Mitchell's story about the "modernization" of a parish >church where he had played a wedding, I was reminded of what the Jesuits >tried to to with Immaculate Conception church in Boston. They emptied = out >the church of pews, walled off the aisles and made offices and reduced = the >"worship space" to virtually nothing, I believe. Then a new pastor was >appointed who saw that what had happened was outrageous, and who was >sensitive to the outrage that the organist community and others had >expressed in no uncertain terms. He undid a lot of the damage and >eventually hired a highly competent organist - Christa Rakich - to = preside >over the wonderful Hook & Hastings organ. See http://www.jucboston.org. = I >hope that story will brighten your day, Colin!   There is even a brighter side - the Pastor, Fr. Tom Carroll,SJ, is a member of the Organ Historical Society and is active in it. I have had the pleasure of meeting him and talking with him on a couple of bus trips at conventions. One of his big projects while Pastor is to RESTORE the Hook and Hastings and research into that process has been taking place for a couple of years now. And of course there is always the little matter of money to do a restoration such as this organ needs. Along with that there is work to be done on the church building itself to undo some of the so called "improvements" from some years ago. All it takes is money! <G>   At the opening concert of the OHS Convention in Boston a couple of years ago which was held at IC, Fr. Tom got a STANDING OVATION from the attendees when he was introduced to welcome the convention to the church.   David    
(back) Subject: Re: Sunday, September 1 From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:46:41 -0500   I did..but I don't remember what it was <G>   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: FRANCK Choral in A minor From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:29:52 +0000   Franck Choral in A minor. Funnily enough one of my students - the ever dramatic Klaidi - asked me if = I would play this to him this evening. I had been working on the Bach G = major this morning, so my fingers were in good shape, though it was after dinner =   and a bottle of Nemea. (winner of the Bordeaux Wine Festival First prize) and I haven't played it for some time so it may not have been as accurate = as I would have liked! He asked me what "quasi allegro" meant - like some = other directions in Franck and other music of the French, or any other school, a =   knowledge of style and experience help here. After all "Allegro" is pretty =   clear - but this is, I think, related to the way the opening arpeggios are =   played. They should be played in the spirit of Bach - this is what Franck himself said - but in an entirely different way. Rubato - maybe? Not rhythmically rigid, legato, yes, but a hint of articulation like garlic in = a good french soup. You are only aware of it if you stop and analyse it. The =   key factor is the contrast between the toccata style opening and the majestically drawn out ascending "Largamente". And you need a deep sense = of harmonic development. I remember I once played the Piece Heroique in a = pre recital run through to Dennis Hunt, instigator of the Tournemire organ improvisation prize at the St Alban's Organ Festival. As an adviser on recital performances before the show there is none better. He will sit and =   listen to the complete programme and then make a few totally pertinent comments. This has the effect of transforming my performances. I don't = think Dennis has ever been the credit he deserves for his genius in this repect. =   Anyway, he asked me what I thought the title meant. Now this was about 35 years ago, and I had probably not given it much thought. But I realised = that it was a piece for a hero - not a picnic, and the mindset in which should = be approached must communicate this to the listener. Likewise with the Choral =   in A minor. They are "chorals" like Bach's, but of an entirely different nature. You need to play a Cavaille Col in one of the cathedral like churches of Paris, or study them with someone who knows and understands their birthright. Try different approaches and phrasing - maybe you will find the answer! John Foss   www.johnfoss.gr   _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Sunday, September 1 From: <patmai@juno.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:37:41 -0400   Hi, Glenda and Pipechatters,   Sunday I played "Rigaudon" by Campra for the prelude and an improvisation on "How Firm a Foundation" for the postlude..   As I go through the archives I occasionally locate a treasure, such as an AGO tape by Paul Manz on Improvising, and this inspired me to try again for the postlude..   Our one hymn for Communion was "Praise to the Lord, the Almighty" (Lobe den Herren) which I was asked to introduce orally as well as via the orgel.   At the end of monthly Communion, we usually sing "Give Thanks" #170 in Celebration Hymnal, found in the Post Chapel pews for the past 18 months.. This week our young private managed to locate an ancient insert which stated that the song following HC was "O How He Loves You and Me," located c. #339 in the same hymnal..   During distribution for Communion I was able to select a couple of hymns.. The chaplain had mentioned "Turn Your Eyes upon Jesus," in his sermon; I located the refrain and played the verse from memory, modulated to D Major, then played "O Word of God Incarnate" (Munich) until all were ready to commune.   I had already played "Come, Labor On" (Ora Labora) after holding a few organ keys for curator Wm. G. Chapman Friday afternoon in the Post and Old Cadet Chapels. Did anyone else use this hymn this weekend?   Regards to all.. enjoy the rest of the holiday!   Pat Maimone patmai@juno.com Post Chapel, West Point, NY III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller console/Gress-Miles   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: A depressing landscape From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:33:06 -0400       David Scribner wrote: > > At the opening concert of the OHS Convention in Boston a couple of > years ago which was held at IC, Fr. Tom got a STANDING OVATION from > the attendees when he was introduced to welcome the convention to the > church. >   As Father Tom Carroll deserved. Peter Sykes playing that first recital of the convention and Tom Murray's last recital at that convention.   WOW!   The cat crying out during a demo of an organ at Jamaica Plain had all of us 'in stitches'.   MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!!!!!!!   The poor beast may have been living within that long silent pipe organ - and possibly kept the mouse population under control. That was ANOTHER standing ovation as the NEW priest got a plaque from OHS for his efforts to preserve that Hook & Hastings.   The former priest may possibly be under Indictment - it's Boston!     Stan    
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Notice (x-posted From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:16:21 -0400   Glenda et al:   Roaring Twenties Pizza & Pipes is in Ellenton, Florida on US 301 just north of I-75. (North of Bradenton about 10 miles. HTTP://ROARING20sPIZZA.COM   tom   Glenda wrote: > > Where is this Roaring Twenties Pizza & Pipes? I am in northwest > Florida, and it is a big state. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Tom Hoehn > > This is just a quick note to let all of you in the West Coast of Florida > area know that I'll be manning the console at Roaring Twenties Pizza & > Pipes on September 11, 2002 from 5 until 9 pm. If you can make on that > night (Wednesday) please let me know you heard about it online here. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS    
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Notice (x-posted From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:19:08 -0400   To the lists:   I just got off the phone w/Bill Vlasik at Roaring Twenties - He has asked me to fill in for him on Monday, Tuesday and Saturday of next week in addition to my filling in for Dwight Thomas on Wednesday. Once again the invitation is open and now extended to include 9/9-9/10-9/11 and 9/14. Y'all come on down for some good pizza and music.   tom   Tom Hoehn wrote: > > Glenda et al: > > Roaring Twenties Pizza & Pipes is in Ellenton, Florida on US 301 just > north of I-75. (North of Bradenton about 10 miles. > HTTP://ROARING20sPIZZA.COM > > tom > > Glenda wrote: > > > > Where is this Roaring Twenties Pizza & Pipes? I am in northwest > > Florida, and it is a big state. > > > > Glenda Sutton > > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf = Of > > Tom Hoehn > > > > This is just a quick note to let all of you in the West Coast of = Florida > > area know that I'll be manning the console at Roaring Twenties Pizza & > > Pipes on September 11, 2002 from 5 until 9 pm. If you can make on = that > > night (Wednesday) please let me know you heard about it online here. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > -- > Tom Hoehn, Organist > http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn > Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL > Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute) > First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL > CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS    
(back) Subject: Date(s) for Grayson Ives From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:52:11 EDT     --part1_10d.17651cbf.2aa56fcb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Can anyone provide the date(s) for the English composer Grayson Ives? I = did a google search and learned that he has been involved with the King's Singers, but no date of birth was included. Is he living? He may be in = the Corliss Arnold book, but my copy is at the church...   Many thanks for your assistance,   Steve Lawson - NYC   --part1_10d.17651cbf.2aa56fcb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Can anyone provide the = date(s) for the English composer Grayson Ives? &nbsp;I did a google search = and learned that he has been involved with the King's Singers, but no date = of birth was included. &nbsp;Is he living? &nbsp;He may be in the Corliss = Arnold book, but my copy is at the church... <BR> <BR>Many thanks for your assistance, <BR> <BR>Steve Lawson - NYC</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10d.17651cbf.2aa56fcb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Date(s) for Grayson Ives From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:11:45 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0129_01C252CD.B9B8BB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I am happy to report that only one date is needed. He was born in 1948, = =3D and is at present happily employed, are you ready, as Informator =3D Choristorum at Magdalen College, Oxford, in the aural shadow of one of =3D my very favorite Mander Organs! (He is GraysTon Ives, by the way - note = =3D the T.)=3D20   There is somewhere in the chapel a list of all the Informator =3D Choristorae of the college, which is where I first saw the term. I =3D recall being interested at seeing John Stainer on that list, and have =3D just checked my John Henderson Directory, which verifies that I was not = =3D hallucinating. I asked the Rector if I might have Informator Choristorum = =3D as my official title, but he demurred - "it won't fit on the church =3D sign," and he also felt I would then demand more money for such a job! =3D It's a thought!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: OrganNYC@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org ; PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU=3D20 Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Date(s) for Grayson Ives     Can anyone provide the date(s) for the English composer Grayson Ives? = =3D I did a google search and learned that he has been involved with the =3D King's Singers, but no date of birth was included. Is he living? He =3D may be in the Corliss Arnold book, but my copy is at the church...=3D20   Many thanks for your assistance,=3D20   Steve Lawson - NYC=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0129_01C252CD.B9B8BB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am happy to report that only one = date =3D is needed.=3D20 He was born in 1948, and is at present happily employed, are you ready, = =3D as=3D20 Informator Choristorum at Magdalen College, Oxford, in the aural shadow = =3D of one=3D20 of my very favorite Mander&nbsp;Organs! (He is GraysTon Ives, by the way = =3D - note=3D20 the T.) </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There is somewhere in the chapel a = list =3D of all the=3D20 Informator Choristorae of the college, which is where I first saw the =3D term. I=3D20 recall being interested at seeing John Stainer on that list, and have =3D just=3D20 checked my John Henderson Directory, which verifies that I was not=3D20 hallucinating.&nbsp;I asked the Rector if I might = have&nbsp;Informator=3D20 Choristorum&nbsp;as my official title, but he demurred - "it won't fit =3D on the=3D20 church sign," and he also felt I would then demand more money for such a = =3D job!=3D20 It's a thought!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.mander-organs.com">www.mander-organs.com</A></FONT></D= =3D IV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DOrganNYC@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:OrganNYC@aol.com">OrganNYC@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> ; = <A=3D20 title=3D3DPIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU">PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU= =3D </A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 02, =3D 2002 9:52=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Date(s) for Grayson = =3D Ives</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Can = anyone =3D provide the=3D20 date(s) for the English composer Grayson Ives? &nbsp;I did a google =3D search and=3D20 learned that he has been involved with the King's Singers, but no date = =3D of=3D20 birth was included. &nbsp;Is he living? &nbsp;He may be in the Corliss = =3D Arnold=3D20 book, but my copy is at the church... <BR><BR>Many thanks for your =3D assistance,=3D20 <BR><BR>Steve Lawson - NYC</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0129_01C252CD.B9B8BB20--