PipeChat Digest #3108 - Wednesday, September 4, 2002
 
Re: CNN - LA Cathedral
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
RE: Performance Notice (x-posted
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Performance Notice (x-posted
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: Sunday, September 1
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: CNN - LA Cathedral
  by "tevansmo" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
RE: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Franck Choral in A Minor
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: A depressing landscape
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
RE: Franck Choral in A Minor
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
Do we have a clearing house in the UK
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
RE: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Franck Choral in A Minor
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Re: Franck Choral in A Minor
  by <AFberlin3@aol.com>
Re: A depressing landscape
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
LA Cathedral
  by "Randy Terry" <williamransomejr@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: CNN - LA Cathedral From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:17:12 EDT   What has happened to the massive Wangerin/Austin that was in St. Vibiana's =   Cathedral?   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: RE: Performance Notice (x-posted From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:54:34 -0500   Thanks.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hoehn   Hiway 301 is indeed "Prison Row" between Gainesville and Jacksonville- however Roaring 20's is way south of there - between Tampa and Sarasota.        
(back) Subject: Re: Performance Notice (x-posted From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:27:09 -0500   Roaring 20's is just off I-75, First Bradenton Exit(north)if I remember correctly. Coming from I 75, it is on your left (north side of street), and easily missed. There was a large "fountain/pond" at the entrance as I remember.   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: Sunday, September 1 From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:08:31 EDT   Hi List,   Sunday, September 1 was my last day at Bell AME Zion Church, where I had = been organist since last July. The church was assigned a new pastor who had = been an organist for many years before going into the ministry. Also, the new pastor did not own a house as did the former pastor, so the church had to come up with a parsonage after 18 years of not having one. Since this is = not a wealthy congregation, in order to pay the mortgage on the new parsonage, =   the money had to come from somewhere.   The new pastor is going to be a VERY busy man on Sunday mornings, serving = as pastor, organist and choir director. There is a charming elderly = parishoner who I suspect is tone-deaf, but has a true love for the piano; I am sure = he will volunteer to whack away at the piano when background music is needed. = So instead of quiet hymns during communion, they will have crash! bang! = on the piano.   I was given a lovely send-off - the ladies had a luncheon after church in = my honor, complete with speeches. And I have an absolutely glowing letter of =   reference.   Meanwhile, I've made myself available to sub on the east end of Long = Island. As a result of my mastectomy I have developed rather severe lymphedema in = my left arm, which has me permanently disabled. I guess that's the price I = had to pay to stay alive. I can't practice enough to hold a full-time church position, but I *can* walk into any church cold and get through the = service - and besides, subbing is fun!   Trying to stay positive, Victoria Hedberg-Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: CNN - LA Cathedral From: "tevansmo" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:55:35 -0700     According to the Dobson website, what parts they could were salvaged and = put into the current instrument.     > What has happened to the massive Wangerin/Austin that was in St. = Vibiana's > Cathedral? >      
(back) Subject: RE: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:34:23 -0400   For a hymn at a service like this, I'm very fond of "Blessed City, = heavenly Salem," especially if the necrology comprises parishioners. I'm aware = that this is the proper office hymn for the dedication of a church; but it = likens the the church's members, the living and perhaps even more the dead, to stones which might have received "many a blow and biting sculpture" to fit and polish them for their places in a heavenly building. The proper Gregorian melody is, I think, my favorite plainsong hymn tune.   A good psalm would be no. 90. If the psalms are read or sung "in course", as allocated over each morning and evening throughout the month, one sometimes might do five short psalms at a time, otherwise it's probably overkill to have five psalms. I think it's a pity that they are not done in course more often, but this makes sense only if the church maintains = the daily offices, said at least. The psalter is the meat of the office, and = if only one short psalm is appointed for an evensong I'm, well, DISappointed. This reduces the original raison d'etre of the service to a mere vestige. But *five* psalms, unless they're short ones, might require twenty minutes or half an hour to chant.   Are you aware that the order of service you listed is either erroneous or inexplicably revisionist as to the order of certain items? The psalms should follow the opening versicle and response, being the praise that = they announce. The Nunc Dimittis and the creed are responses to the lessons, particularly the second lesson, and should not be separated from it by so much other material. Although nowadays there is often a homily or sermon = at an evensong, the office does not really contemplate one; so perhaps = between Nunc Dimittis and creed is as good a place as any to shoehorn it in, although it is more often after most of the prayers: essentially after = the whole office.   High-church usage also inserts a proper office hymn, traditionally prescribed quite specifically for morning or evening and a given feast, season, or occasion. I cannot find in either the English Hymnal or the Liber Usualis what the proper office hymns are for Nov. 2. Perhaps none were prescribed. (I did notice in the Liber that Nunc Dimittis is called for in vespers of Nov. 2, as an exceptional feature.) The most = conservative (i.e. modeled on RC Vespers) placement of the office hymn is between the first lesson and the Magnificat, but I would not be averse to inserting it just before the psalms instead. Otherwise one might get halfway through = the service before encountering any strong reference to what day or feast is being observed. If you want to be *really* traditional, use the proper antiphons around the psalms and the magnificat. I have = books at home that probably give these texts and chants for Nov. 2 along with = many other days, in English. The Liber, of course, has them in Latin.   Noble in b minor and the two anthems you have chosen are excellent. A = short anthem/motet at the beginning of the rite might be nice, too, although I can't think of an appropriate one offhand.      
(back) Subject: RE: Franck Choral in A Minor From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:43:16 -0400   Is it a respectable suggestion that Franck's Three Chorals might represent the three persons of the Trinity?   This may be too fanciful, but it it is true, then those sixteenth notes = are the "mighty rushing wind." I inevitably think of this, at least, when playing them.   >  
(back) Subject: Re: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:31:46 -0400   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: RE: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY     A short > anthem/motet at the beginning of the rite might be nice, too, although I > can't think of an appropriate one offhand. >   How about the wonderful Purcell, from the Funeral Sentences: - "In the = midst of life, we are in death?"   Malcolm      
(back) Subject: Re: A depressing landscape From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:29:03 -0400   Is there a counterpart to the Organ Clearinghouse in the UK??? Merry Foxworth  
(back) Subject: RE: Franck Choral in A Minor From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:40:46 +0100     Hello,   I am not a Franck expert (too many sharps and flats!) but it seems to me = that the Chorale in A minor is a "dialogue" piece between two distinct = motifs.=20   The rapid figuration is surely (?) derived from the Bach A-minor = Prelude, and as such, should be played crisply, cleanly and with a = distinct "pulse" in the phrasing.   By way of contrast, the melody of the "Chorale" (nothing of the sort!) = is extremely lyrical and long-phrased. Legato is important, but so too = must be a sense of musical phrasing, with appropriate tension and = release......rubatti even.   The trick is to combine the two without it sounding as if an express = train has just run into the back of a goods train!   The challenge of this work is surely in the final section, which = requires a combination of lyricism and very crisp, rapid figuration.   I now know why I don't play it! (Someday I may get around to it) At least the pedal part is easy.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK            
(back) Subject: Do we have a clearing house in the UK From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:48:32 +0100   Hello,   Yes...it has the name JCB on the side! (Our equivalent to Caterpillar!)   Seriously, a few attempts have been made to rescue instrument, with = success in a few instances, but we are very badly organised.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK        
(back) Subject: RE: CHORAL EVENSONG FOR ALL SOUL'S DAY From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:24:45 -0400   Glenda suggests:   >O what their joy and their glory must be (O quanta qualia) >Ye holy angels bright (Darwall's 148th)   Good ideas!   "The day Thou gavest" to the tune St. Clement (Scott's suggested closer) = is a charming hymn, but it is chosen so regularly by choirs who sing evensong just once or twice a year that it has become a cliche. I daresay the attraction is the opportunity that it offers to revel in Victorian Englishness, as has become uncool, if not impossible, to do elsewhere ever since the experimental liturgies started taking the Eucharistic rite apart and putting it back together again in new and streamlined guises. Not only is the quaint tune reminiscent of pre-WWI serenity, but the text quietly celebrates the British Empire at its global zenith (on which the sun never set). As much as I, too, enjoy an occasional dip in triumphalist nostalgia, there are too many other good evening hymns to become fixated = on any one as though it were written into the ordinary of the service, especially when the occasion is a special one.   For an evening hymn that suggests an analogy with death, try "The duteous day now closeth", whose tune (formerly called Innsbruck because it originally accompanied a secular song, "Innsbruck, I now must leave thee") the hymnal 1982 now fittingly calls "O Welt, ich muss dich lassen."      
(back) Subject: Re: Franck Choral in A Minor From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:17:40 EDT     --part1_177.de191cd.2aa69d14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I would be very wary of labeling such a thing as "Baroque" touch. Play it =   cle   --part1_177.de191cd.2aa69d14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I would be very wary of labeling such a thing as = "Baroque" touch.&nbsp; Play it cle</FONT></HTML>   --part1_177.de191cd.2aa69d14_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck Choral in A Minor From: <AFberlin3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:27:42 EDT     --part1_153.13779147.2aa69f6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I would be very wary of calling it "Baroque legato touch". Play it = clearly, and above all, use your ears as the final judge. Listen to recordings of = as much of Franck's music as you can--not just the organ music, but the = Symphony in D minor, the orchestral tone poems, the solo piano music, the = Variations Symphonique for piano and orchestra, the vocal and choral music. Read = about Franck's life.   By doing the above, you will get a much more comprehensive and complete = view of what Franck's music is all about. This makes much more sense than thinking only as an organist. By the way, the registrations in the = Chorale in A minor are not Franck's. They were put in by the publisher. That's = one reason why the registration at the beginning doesn't match the Fortissimo marking. We know this from the manuscript. I never accepted them intuitively.   It's a great piece. Enjoy it to the max. Best wishes, Alexander Frey   --part1_153.13779147.2aa69f6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I would be very wary of calling it "Baroque = legato touch".&nbsp; Play it clearly, and above all, use your ears as the = final judge.&nbsp; Listen to recordings of as much of Franck's music as = you can--not just the organ music, but the Symphony in D minor, the = orchestral tone poems, the solo piano music, the Variations Symphonique = for piano and orchestra, the vocal and choral music.&nbsp; Read about = Franck's life.<BR> <BR> By doing the above, you will get a much more comprehensive and complete = view of what Franck's music is all about.&nbsp; This makes much more sense = than thinking only as an organist.&nbsp; By the way, the registrations in = the Chorale in A minor are not Franck's.&nbsp; They were put in by the = publisher.&nbsp; That's one reason why the registration at the beginning = doesn't match the Fortissimo marking.&nbsp; We know this from the = manuscript.&nbsp; I never accepted them intuitively.<BR> <BR> It's a great piece. Enjoy it to the max.<BR> Best wishes,<BR> Alexander Frey</FONT></HTML>   --part1_153.13779147.2aa69f6e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A depressing landscape From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:58:36 -0500   The British Institute of Organ Studies (BIOS) maintains a register of redundant organs and attempts to find new homes for them. See their = website at   www.bios.org.uk   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: A depressing landscape     > Is there a counterpart to the Organ Clearinghouse in the UK???      
(back) Subject: LA Cathedral From: "Randy Terry" <williamransomejr@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:13:37 -0700 (PDT)   --- Steskinner@aol.com wrote: > What has happened to the massive Wangerin/Austin that was in St. = Vibiana's > Cathedral?   From what I understand, quite a bit of the vintage pipework went into the = Dobson. A look at the stoplist shows quite a few strings and color stops that perhaps = would not be included in a regular instrument of this type. But I think it is pretty = cool. I hope it sounds wonderful!   Randy Terry Retired Organist as of August 31! (But I still have to play thru = December!)   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com