PipeChat Digest #3125 - Saturday, September 14, 2002
 
Re: Bank's of York UK
  by "Bruce  Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Organ Pictures
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: Bank's of York UK
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Bank's of York UK
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
RE: Whitlock, Rheinberger, Howells
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Protestant versus latin hymns
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
RE: Bank's of York UK
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
RE: Bank's of York UK
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
York mystery player
  by <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Bank's of York UK From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:28:07 +0100   Hello Colin et al,   I live just a few miles from York, and I can confirm Colin's comments.   Their website is at www.banksmusic.co.uk, - no music listing there, but they do have a comprehensive printed organ music catalogue.   One priceless source of information they have is Music Sales UK's enormous archive list which includes items originally published by Novello.   Bruce Miles   mail to:- bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk website:- http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk   ----- Original Message ----- From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Bank's of York UK     Hello,   I don't know another music shop like Bank's of York in the UK.   I used to delight in finding obscure bits of music and then going along to see if they had it. Nicholas, the amazing music salesman, would always = give me one of his shy smiles and then ask something like, "Would that be the Opus 52 or the 53?"   This usually sent me scurrying to find out what each was!!!   He is full of gems, such as, "Well you know, Bossi was Organist to the = Pope, so I expect he behaved himself!"   You just know that there is a hidden scandal waiting to emerge.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       -----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> I'm pretty sure it's still in print - any decent music outlet should be able to supply it. Banks of York, UK certainly can.   Music shops and even the publishers never seem to have the faintest idea what is in the albums they sell. .        
(back) Subject: Organ Pictures From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:20:48 EDT     --part1_128.17804c2a.2ab3ccd0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   I've received a few high 5's on my new organ project. It just hit me, on = my computer I have 3 zip files that unzip into about 6 photos of the organ I just got before I moved it. They were taken by the guy who was selling = the organ. If anybody is curious, I'd be happy to send the zip files.   Thanks, Keith   --part1_128.17804c2a.2ab3ccd0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">List,<BR> <BR> I've received a few high 5's on my new organ project.&nbsp; It just hit = me, on my computer I have 3 zip files that unzip into about 6 photos of = the organ I just got before I moved it.&nbsp; They were taken by the guy = who was selling the organ.&nbsp; If anybody is curious, I'd be happy to = send the zip files.<BR> <BR> Thanks, <BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_128.17804c2a.2ab3ccd0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bank's of York UK From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:28:06 -0500       "Emmons, Paul" wrote:   > Not to mention that Banks is also a music publisher. Their catalog = contains > some material that deserves to be far better known! > > How amenable are Banks to foreign trade, accepting credit cards, = changing > between dollars, euros, pounds etc.?   Quite. I have done it several times, to good effect, giving a credit = card, via e-mail.=85   > Do they have an informative Web page?   Refuse to answer, on the grounds that the question is subjective. = Suggest, instead, that you visit the site yourself at <www.banksmusic.co.uk> and = form your own opinion.   ns      
(back) Subject: Re: Bank's of York UK From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:33:28 -0500       Bruce Miles wrote, regarding Banks Music of York,:   > One priceless source of information they have is Music Sales UK's = enormous > archive list which includes items originally published by Novello.   They also operate the "archival music" service for OUP=85   ns    
(back) Subject: RE: Whitlock, Rheinberger, Howells From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:28:06 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C25B6C.78D18DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I must have missed the e-mails addressing Howells, except for the one disparaging remark. I always enjoyed Howells, because I felt that sometime in his life he had to have played at a St. Agatha's, where the congregation sometimes rudely talks during preludes and postludes. I loved to play his music, starting out very quietly and building slowly to full organ, before quickly fading to quiet again while the people were shouting at each other. It was always sweet revenge. My Howells music is sadly boxed up right now, but my favorites were his Master Tallis's Testament, and the second of Two Slow Airs for Organ (I think that is the name). The first Psalm Prelude was a favorite too. Many on the lists have stated their use of the Sarabande for Easter Morning. I highly recommend as an inexpensive Rheinberger sampler the CDs recorded by Wolfgang Rubsam and available via OHS for about $5 each, before buying any scores. My favorites are the first, second, eighth, and ninth sonatas. Novello is now publishing groups of the sonatas. I second the recommendation of the Oxford edition of Complete Shorter Organ Works by Percy Whitlock. Any misstating of names (selections or publishers) in this post is NOT the result of ingestion of alcoholic beverages, but just the rustiness of my mind lately. Hope this helps. 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</span>It was always sweet =3D revenge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>My Howells music is sadly boxed up = =3D right now, but my favorites were his Master <span =3D class=3D3DSpellE>Tallis&#8217;s</span> Testament, and the second of Two Slow Airs for Organ (I think that is =3D the name).<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>The first Psalm =3D Prelude was a favorite too.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Many on = =3D the lists have stated their use of the <span class=3D3DSpellE>Sarabande</span> for = =3D Easter Morning.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I highly recommend as an =3D inexpensive <span class=3D3DSpellE>Rheinberger</span> sampler the CDs recorded by Wolfgang = =3D <span class=3D3DSpellE>Rubsam</span> and available via OHS for about $5 each, = =3D before buying any scores. <span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>My =3D favorites are the first, second, eighth, and ninth sonatas.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span><span =3D class=3D3DSpellE>Novello</span> is now publishing groups of the sonatas.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I second the recommendation of the = =3D </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Oxford</span></font></st1:place></= =3D st1:City><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D edition of Complete Shorter Organ Works by Percy =3D Whitlock.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Any misstating of names (selections = =3D or publishers) in this post is NOT the result of ingestion of alcoholic =3D beverages, but just the rustiness of my mind lately.<span =3D style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; 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(back) Subject: Re: Protestant versus latin hymns From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:22:39 -0400   > I'm almost certain now that the work I had in mind earlier is: > > Riedel, Johannes. _The Lutheran Chorale: its Basic Traditions_. > Minneapolis: Augsburg Pub. House, 1967. 120 pp. > > I don't remember that it includes any attempt at an exhaustive list of = Latin > hymns and their German counterparts, but the explanations of the > relationships, processes, and historical circumstances are very = interesting. > I would call this monograph essential reading for anyone who has an = in-depth > interest in this subject. > > Paul > Paul is right. See pp. 21 & ff. of Riedel's book. In addition, one = might look at the following, all of which are out of print:   _Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians_, 54th ed, Vol II, pp. 270 & ff (I'm not convenient right now to either New Grove's, but I'd assume that those also have such lists within the articles about "Chorale."   Ameln, Konrad. _the roots of German Hymnody of the Reformation Era._ St. Louis: Concordia Pub. Hs., 1964. It is a pamphlet based on his lecture = to the Hymn Society of America on 11 Sept 1961 in New York.   Blume, Friedrich, _Protestant Church Music: A History_. N.Y.: W. W. = Norton, 1974. A valuable work by the indefatigable German musicologist, first published as _Geschichte der evangelischen Kirchenmusik_, Baerenreiter-Verlag, 1964. See pp. 14 & ff. (I wonder whether this improtant work may still be in print. Gosh, last I knew, Nortons still published Paul Henry Lang's treasure _Music in Western Civilization_, 1950!!!   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: RE: Bank's of York UK From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:16:56 EDT     --part1_192.d27cf2f.2ab42048_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 13/09/02 22:39:02 GMT Daylight Time, Emmons, Paul" < pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:     > Not to mention that Banks is also a music publisher. Their catalogue > contains > some material that deserves to be far better known! > > How amenable are Banks to foreign trade, accepting credit cards, = changing > between dollars, euros, pounds etc.? (in general we expect banks to do = all > this, but we're speaking of the capitalised form here :-) > > Do they have an informative Web page?   Sadly, the website doesn't reflect the true breadth of their music stock. = Go to http://www.banksmusic.co.uk for contact details and I'm sure they be willing to help.   Like most UK companies, payment will normally be invoiced in pounds = sterling but your credit card company will deal with the conversion to your local currency.     Peter M Harrison Organist and Director of Music, Emmanuel Church, Holcombe, Ramsbottom, GB & P H Music : 48 Moorfield : Edgworth Bolton : Lancs : BL7 0DH : GB fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 : tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 <A HREF=3D"http://www.phmusic.co.uk/">web: www.phmusic.co.uk</A> <A HREF=3D"mailto: peter@phmusic.co.uk">reply email: = peter@phmusic.co.uk</A>   --part1_192.d27cf2f.2ab42048_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 13/09/02 22:39:02 GMT = Daylight Time, Emmons, Paul" &lt;pemmons@wcupa.edu writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Not to mention = that Banks is also a music publisher.&nbsp; Their catalogue contains<BR> some material that deserves to be far better known!<BR> <BR> How amenable are Banks to foreign trade, accepting credit cards, = changing<BR> between dollars, euros, pounds etc.?&nbsp; (in general we expect banks to = do all<BR> this, but we're speaking of the capitalised form here :-)<BR> <BR> Do they have an informative Web page?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Sadly, the website doesn't reflect the true breadth of their music stock. = Go to http://www.banksmusic.co.uk for contact details and I'm sure they be = willing to help.<BR> <BR> Like most UK companies, payment will normally be invoiced in pounds = sterling but your credit card company will deal with the conversion to = your local currency.<BR> <BR> <BR> Peter M Harrison<BR> Organist and Director of Music, Emmanuel Church, Holcombe, Ramsbottom, = GB<BR> &amp;<BR> P H Music : 48 Moorfield : Edgworth<BR> Bolton : Lancs : BL7 0DH : GB<BR> fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 : tel: +44 (0)1204 853310<BR> <A HREF=3D"http://www.phmusic.co.uk/">web: www.phmusic.co.uk</A><BR> <A HREF=3D"mailto: peter@phmusic.co.uk">reply email: = peter@phmusic.co.uk</A><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_192.d27cf2f.2ab42048_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Bank's of York UK From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:04:50 +0100     Hello,   Talking about Bank's of York reminds me of an amusing "incident" many = years ago, when Miss Banks owned and ran the shop.   A colleague had ordered a piece of music printed by Bank's and had = picked it up from the shop. He shuffled off towards the Minster for = Evensong and, whilst the lessons were read, decided that he would have a = look at his new music. He opened it to find a number of blank pages!   He quickly offered his apologies to the almighty and trotted back up the = narrow street to the shop. Slighlty breathless, he walked up to Miss = Banks and waved the music at her; demonstrating the blank pages.   She gave him an angry stare and asked, "Well what have you done to it?"   He protested his innocence but she insisted he was simply a bother = maker!   "Don't come in my shop complaining about my music!" She screeched.   Eventualy, with the intervention of several shop assistants, she was = dragged off like a Pit Bull Terrier and taken away. Needless to say, the = music was exchanged.   But those were the old days in the old shop; a rickety medieval building = where a visit to the organ section was always something of a work-out. = There was only room for one at a time in between the narrow wooden = shelving. The floor was uneven and the steps as bad as any helical = staircase to any organ loft imaginable. The whole thing was an apparent = nightmare, but ask something like, "Do you have anything by Guridi?"   At that point, the grey matter of Miss Banks or Nicholas wouldspark into = action, and with a simple, graceful dive at some dusty old pile of music = which had not seen daylight for half a century, the copy would appear as = if by magic!   Many is the time that major traffic jams were evident in that lovely old = shop, as Cathedral Organists and their Assistants attempted in vain to = pass by each other.....ugly scenes which do not happen in the "new" shop = less than a century or so old.   It reminds me of the wonderful old guide at York Minster who would = delight in showing foreign (especially American) tourists around the old = pile. "Here is the 13th century work etc etc"...and "We move on to the = 15th century etc etc"......."Here we have the Norman foundations etc = etc".......THEN would come his moment......"So much for RECENT history, = but if we now go downstairs, we can see the Roman art works".   It worked every time, with delightful responses such as, "Geee! It's so = old!"   A bit of the old magic has been lost, but the place doesn't change too = much or at all quickly. The last great innovation was probably the = installation of electric light bulbs, notwithstanding the fact that the = place almost fell down in the 60's and is now hel together by stainless = steel rods and bolts, with the weight of the tower supported on massive = concrete and steel foundations........one of the cleverest civil = engineering jobs in history. The whole central tower supported, at one = point, on hydraulic jacks!   Anyway, this is completely off topic!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   (Removing the ice pack after reading of Glenda's delight in Howells)      
(back) Subject: York mystery player From: <cmys13085@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:23:24 +0100     Hello again,   Writing about York and organists reminded me of a wonderful true story = which Dr Francis Jackson would not mind being told, I feel sure.   In the days when his assistant organist was Dr Alan Wicks (who went on = to Canterbury Cathedral), he and the good Dr Jackson bumped into each = other in the middle of Leeds whilst out on their respective shopping = trips.   Dr Jackson gave his best smile (a sort of grimace) and said, "Well, how = nice to see you Alan.....but what are you doing HERE?"   "It's my day off!" He replied with a frown.   "Oh no! Wednesday is MY day off Alan", the good Dr replied.   "No Francis....you told me to swap my Thursday for your Wednesday"m Alan = Wicks replied.   "Did I?" Dr Jackson answered with a question.   "Yes Francis. So who is playing for Evensong?" Alan Wicks asked.   "Oh dear!" Dr Jackson frowned, and then, with a smile he said, "Oh well! = Never mind! I expect SOMEONE is playing".   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK