PipeChat Digest #3130 - Thursday, September 19, 2002
 
A consumer's comparison of organ shoes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Reprise the rekindled, or more on the FUMC Pensacola organ
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Bach echoes/dialogues
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: A consumer's comparison of organ shoes
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Reprise the rekindled, or more on the FUMC Pensacola organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Bach echoes/dialogues
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: A consumer's comparison of organ shoes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:40 -0500   I will try to write a concise comparison of the two major organ shoe companies, so that the next time this discussion surfaces, you can always reply that the asker should access the archives.   I have been the proud owner of OrganMasters, two pairs to be precise. Their assets include an immediate comfortable fit, flexible and soft leather and insides, and well made. However, the women's cut and style has always seemed to me frumpy and old-ladyish, and the leather (at least in the plain black) dull and unexciting.   So I decided to try the competitor's brand, TicTacToes. The price is almost exactly the same for the standard Tempo style. The leather is less supple, which requires a little breaking in. The finish of the leather has a more pleasing sheen, and the cut is certainly more fashionable. The buckles are more convenient without those little tongues one has to fit into a hole.   The downside is that the stitching around the piping at the top of the sides is not as professional and neat, and the strap and buckle do not appear to be as securely fastened. I looked at those and thought, "They won't last too long." And they were not readily available in gold-colored, so I had to reluctantly settle for a third pair of black ones.   There you have it.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Reprise the rekindled, or more on the FUMC Pensacola organ From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:40 -0500   Last night I went back to the AGO meeting and open console of the FUMC organ in Pensacola. The following observations:   (1) The organ is not finished, which could have explained some of the disappointing performance on Sunday. However, I had heard Mr. Swann on instruments unfamiliar to me before, and although his repertoire is not always my choice, he always played impeccably.   (2) The console is black because it was part of the old Moller from First Presbyterian Church in Naples or Fort Lauderdale, along with part of the pipes. Some of the existing ranks of the FUMC's original organ (Austin/Reuter) were incorporated into this, with a few new ranks and some digital stops. One 32=92 was real, at least two of the 32=92 were digitals, and the others were digitals or extensions. The harp and the chimes, among others, were digitals (all Walker, I believe).   (3) The following tidbits were gathered: slider chests, Petersen (or is it Peterson? I could look it up, but am too tired) electronics, 70 milli-somethings for the Great, 250 for the solo division, and 100 for the other divisions (was it milligrams of fat? Millileters of sodium? Oh, probably millimeters of wind pressure). An engineer sitting beside me asked me how many inches that was, and I retorted, =93You=92re the damn engineer!=94 Why am I always surrounded by shrinks = and engineers?   (4) The best place to sit was NOT in the balcony where my other engineer friend seated us on Sunday, but front row center, rows 3-7.   (5) I did not get to hear more than tiddly-winks from the builder=92s exhibiting the stops. He is a charming man with not a little talent for playing. Then he took groups of five into the chambers, and no one could play it while that was going on. I did not get to go inside or play it or hear it played, because I left at 8:00 for a 1 =BD hour drive home, to finish chores and get to bed so I could get up early and drive 45 miles to an 8:30 docket.   I was primed for excitement, and again my hopes were dashed. However, upon my arrival home, I discovered that my brand new pair of organ shoes had arrived. But that=92s another story.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com            
(back) Subject: Bach echoes/dialogues From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:27:17 -0500   While sitting here absolutely tuckered out, I am playing the most outlandish CD, almost as good as Florence Foster Jenkins. It is entitled "Mary Schneider yodelling the classics". She is styled as Australia's Queen of Yodelling. I've never thought of Rossini as yodelling material - it really messes with my mind, like when my best friend in college, a graduate English student, told me that just about all Emily Dickinson's poems could be sung to "The Yellow Rose of Texas".     Anyway, my posts tonight will come in threes, but I had the following questions regarding Bach performance:   (1) I noted that in one of Virgil Fox's recordings of the Toccata, Adagio and Fugue that he actually "echoes" the repeated phrases in the pedal solo of the toccata. I don't remember ever hearing this in live performance by anyone - has anyone else ever done this or heard it? Quite interesting idea.   (2) In a similar vein, I noted that Peter Conte similarly created a dialogue in the Toccata in F at the point of what I call the "dissonant chords" and just beyond (for reference purposes, I will cite from the last two bars of page 19 and the first two of page 20 in the Kalmus Volume 3, because that happens to be the only Bach volume not boxed up). Again, has anyone else ever noticed this practice or utilized it?   Just wondering. I remember when working on the D minor my teacher had different ideas of what to echo than I did, but then again I always accused him of making things harder than they had to be, and followed his advice except when I didn't agree (typical lawyer).   I've had all the yodeling I can stand (the CD spells it "yodelling", but my spell checker keeps deleting one of the "l"s). Where's the martinis?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   (who discovered a drink called "Russian Quaalude" during her trip to Orlando - White Russians with Frangelico blended with crushed ice and served in martini glasses)        
(back) Subject: Re: A consumer's comparison of organ shoes From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:40:35 EDT     --part1_8b.1e0e02eb.2aba8513_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Glenda,   A former girlfriend of mine (years ago, married 23 years here LOL) =   always wore Capezio Women's Character Shoes, UNTIL she found Organmasters. = I have tried Selva Men's Dance Shoes, Bloch Men's Dance Shoes, and good ole =   Organmasters. ALL are good in some aspect, but guess what? I am on my 5th pair of new Organmasters. They still have the best shoes for organists. = They are so supportive, yet flexible. And they are the perfect organ shoes for playing thirds. Just my own observations. Enjoy your shoes!!   Peace,   Daniel Weimer Port Orange, FL   --part1_8b.1e0e02eb.2aba8513_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Tw Cen MT" LANG=3D"0">Dear Glenda,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A former girlfriend of mine (<B>years = ago,</B> married 23 years here&nbsp; LOL) always wore Capezio Women's = Character Shoes, UNTIL she found Organmasters. I have tried Selva Men's = Dance Shoes, Bloch Men's&nbsp; Dance Shoes, and good ole = <B>Organmasters.</B> ALL are good in some aspect, but guess what? I am on = my 5th pair of new <B>Organmasters.</B> They still have the best shoes for = organists. They are so supportive, yet flexible. And they are the perfect = organ shoes for playing thirds. Just my own observations. Enjoy your = shoes!! <BR> <BR> Peace,<BR> <BR> Daniel Weimer<BR> Port Orange, FL</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8b.1e0e02eb.2aba8513_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Reprise the rekindled, or more on the FUMC Pensacola organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:32:20 EDT     --part1_170.13fb4bf2.2aba9f44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/18/02 7:57:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > I was primed for excitement, and again my hopes were dashed.   Your hopes will not be dashed when you hear the new Fisk at First Presby = in Gainesville. It is stunning!   If you need more, I will give you the most exciting tour of several of my favorites in G'ville, starting with First Baptist (my new job!!! ;-) ).   Bruce in the Muttastery with the Baskerbeagles--Miles, Molly and Degui visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 Improve your nutrition and income: http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_170.13fb4bf2.2aba9f44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/18/02 7:57:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I was primed for = excitement, and again my hopes were dashed. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Your hopes will not be dashed when you hear the new Fisk at First = Presby in Gainesville. &nbsp;It is stunning! <BR> <BR>If you need more, I will give you the most exciting tour of several of = my favorites in G'ville, starting with First Baptist (my new job!!! = &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;). <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery with the Baskerbeagles--Miles, Molly and Degui <BR>visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 <BR>Improve your nutrition and income: = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_170.13fb4bf2.2aba9f44_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach echoes/dialogues From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:37:41 EDT     --part1_171.13fb2ef8.2abaa085_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 9/18/02 9:28:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > (1) I noted that in one of Virgil Fox's recordings of the Toccata, > Adagio and Fugue that he actually "echoes" the repeated phrases in the > pedal solo of the toccata. I don't remember ever hearing this in live > performance by anyone - has anyone else ever done this or heard it? > Quite interesting idea. > I have heard this done before, and it seems that Biggs did it on the = Flentrop recordings, I guess to show that changes could be made without pistons! It's interesting.   > (2) In a similar vein, I noted that Peter Conte similarly created a > dialogue in the Toccata in F at the point of what I call the "dissonant > chords" and just beyond (for reference purposes, I will cite from the > last two bars of page 19 and the first two of page 20 in the Kalmus > Volume 3, because that happens to be the only Bach volume not boxed up). >   I'm not sure exactly to what you refer (because I'm too lazy to get up!! heeheehee), but if Peter Conte did it that gives some ligitmacy. The guy = is really creative and I've never heard anything tasteless from the chambers when he was playing. It's an interesting idea (as soon as I figure out = what it is), and I like it in concept.   Bruce in the Muttastery with the Baskerbeagles--Miles, Molly and Degui visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 Improve your nutrition and income: http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_171.13fb2ef8.2abaa085_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 9/18/02 9:28:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">(1) &nbsp;I noted = that in one of Virgil Fox's recordings of the Toccata, <BR>Adagio and Fugue that he actually "echoes" the repeated phrases in the <BR>pedal solo of the toccata. &nbsp;I don't remember ever hearing this in = live <BR>performance by anyone - has anyone else ever done this or heard it? <BR>Quite interesting idea. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>I have heard this done before, and it seems that Biggs did it on the = Flentrop recordings, I guess to show that changes could be made without = pistons! &nbsp;&nbsp;It's interesting.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">(2) &nbsp;In a similar vein, I noted that Peter Conte similarly = created a <BR>dialogue in the Toccata in F at the point of what I call the = "dissonant <BR>chords" and just beyond (for reference purposes, I will cite from the <BR>last two bars of page 19 and the first two of page 20 in the Kalmus <BR>Volume 3, because that happens to be the only Bach volume not boxed = up). <BR>Again, has anyone else ever noticed this practice or utilized = it?</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I'm not sure exactly to what you refer (because I'm too lazy to get = up!! heeheehee), but if Peter Conte did it that gives some ligitmacy. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The guy is really creative and I've never heard anything = tasteless from the chambers when he was playing. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's an = interesting idea (as soon as I figure out what it is), and I like it in = concept. <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery with the Baskerbeagles--Miles, Molly and Degui <BR>visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/brucon502 <BR>Improve your nutrition and income: = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_171.13fb2ef8.2abaa085_boundary--