PipeChat Digest #3137 - Saturday, September 21, 2002
 
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Diane Bish Concert Tonight (Chicago Area)(cross posted)
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Hollywood High School
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
looking for composers
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Diane Bish Concert Tonight (Chicago Area)(cross posted)
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: looking for composers
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: looking for composers
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:06:49 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3115472810_600378 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 9/21/02 2:28 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > on 9/21/02 2:06 PM, Alan Freed at acfreed0904@earthlink.net wrote: >=3D20 >> On 9/21/02 1:23 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: >>=3D20 >>> Wow! I missed it! It's in setting 3, and we don't do that setting. = I=3D 've >>> only been working in Lutherandom for a little over a year, if that's = an=3D y >>> excuse. >>>=3D20 >>> Randy Runyon >>=3D20 >> Randy, I=3DB9ve really got to commend that one to you. >>=3D20 >> It=3DB9s in the (relatively) new translation. >> The tune is known ecumenically and worldwide; I have no doubt it=3DB9s = used =3D for >> vocalizing in heaven. >> 1. It=3DB9s just plain excellent. >>=3D20 >> As for Randy=3DB9s setting: I=3DB9d be interested in hearing it. Hope = it=3DB9s in >> modern English. That new translation, offered in all three LBW = settings=3D , is >> at least 25 years old, right? Is there ANY reason why any = congregation, >> outside a nursing home, would use the old one? >>=3D20 >> Alan >>=3D20 >>=3D20 >=3D20 > I can email it to you next week, Alan, after I record it and my son = conve=3D rts > it to an MP3. In the meantime, here's the text I used, fairly = traditiona=3D l > except for the debts/trespasses conversion to sins: >=3D20 > Our Father, who are in heaven, hallowed by thy name. Thy kingdom come, = t=3D hy > will be done on earth as it is in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Give us = =3D this > day our daily bread and forgive our sins as we forgive those who've = sinne=3D d > against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For = =3D thine > is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen, amen. > I added a second "hallowed be thy name" and a second "amen" for musical > reasons. =3D20 >=3D20 > I only have the pew version of the LBW here at home, so can't really > appreciate the excellence of the one in setting 3 until I go to church = th=3D is > afternoon to practice, where I can look at the accompaniment version. >=3D20 > Alan replies: >=3D20 > I will definitely look forward to that! Might you consider setting a = lat=3D er > translation to the (essentially) same music? >=3D20 > Now, let me ask you an even harder question=3D8Bat the risk of being = offensiv=3D e, > which I do not intend. To what extent is it true that in liturgical = musi=3D c and > music must be totally subservient to the text? >=3D20 > In Setting 1, Sanctus, for example, the second =3DB3Hosanna=3DB2 is = repeated thre=3D e > times. (Not, however, in [the superior, in my view] Settings 2 and 3.) = =3D This > is done =3DB3for musical reasons.=3DB2 Are =3DB3musical reasons=3DB2 = good enough? Well,=3D look > at Handel, Bach, and=3D8Bespecially=3D8BHaydn and Mozart! They did it = in their m=3D asses > all the TIME! To the point of ridiculousness. But (says the defense, > correctly), this is not liturgical music. These are CONCERT masses! >=3D20 > Now, have I totally alienated you? I sure hope not. >=3D20 > I look forward to your response, and to the contributions of better = infor=3D med > persons than this narrow-minded Norwegian. >=3D20 > Alan >=3D20 >=3D20     --B_3115472810_600378 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 9/21/02 2:28 PM, &quot;Randolph = Runyon&quot=3D ; &lt;runyonr@muohio.edu&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">on 9/21/02 2:06 PM, = Alan Fr=3D eed at acfreed0904@earthlink.net wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 9/21/02 1:23 PM, = &quot;R=3D andolph Runyon&quot; &lt;runyonr@muohio.edu&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Wow! &nbsp;I missed = it! &nb=3D sp;It's in setting 3, and we don't do that setting. &nbsp;I've only been wor=3D king in Lutherandom for a little over a year, if that's any excuse.<BR> <BR> Randy Runyon<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Randy, I&#8217;ve really got to commend that one to you. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> It&#8217;s in the (relatively) new translation. <BR> The tune is known ecumenically and worldwide; I have no doubt it&#8217;s = us=3D ed for vocalizing in heaven. <BR> </FONT><OL><LI><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">It&#8217;s just plain = excellent=3D ..<BR> </FONT></OL><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> As for Randy&#8217;s setting: &nbsp;I&#8217;d be interested in hearing it. = =3D &nbsp;Hope it&#8217;s in modern English. &nbsp;That new translation, = offered=3D in all three LBW settings, is at least 25 years old, right? &nbsp;Is = there =3D ANY reason why any congregation, outside a nursing home, would use the old = o=3D ne?<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> I can email it to you next week, Alan, after I record it and my son = convert=3D s it to an MP3. &nbsp;In the meantime, here's the text I used, fairly = tradit=3D ional except for the debts/trespasses conversion to sins:<BR> <BR> Our Father, who are in heaven, hallowed by thy name. &nbsp;Thy kingdom = come=3D , thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, hallowed be thy name. = &nbsp;=3D Give us this day our daily bread and forgive our sins as we forgive those = wh=3D o've sinned against us. &nbsp;Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us = fr=3D om evil. &nbsp;For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever = an=3D d ever. &nbsp;Amen, amen.<BR> I added a second &quot;hallowed be thy name&quot; and a second = &quot;amen&q=3D uot; for musical reasons. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> I only have the pew version of the LBW here at home, so can't really = apprec=3D iate the excellence of the one in setting 3 until I go to church this = aftern=3D oon to practice, where I can look at the accompaniment version.<BR> <BR> Alan replies:<BR> <BR> I will definitely look forward to that! &nbsp;Might you consider setting a = =3D later translation to the (essentially) same music?<BR> <BR> Now, let me ask you an even harder question&#8212;at the risk of being = offe=3D nsive, which I do not intend. &nbsp;To what extent is it true that in = liturg=3D ical music and music must be totally subservient to the text? &nbsp;<BR> <BR> In Setting 1, Sanctus, for example, the second &#8220;Hosanna&#8221; is = rep=3D eated three times. &nbsp;(Not, however, in [the superior, in my view] = Settin=3D gs 2 and 3.) &nbsp;This is done &#8220;for musical reasons.&#8221; = &nbsp;Are=3D &#8220;musical reasons&#8221; good enough? &nbsp;Well, look at Handel, = Bach=3D , and&#8212;especially&#8212;Haydn and Mozart! &nbsp;They did it in their = ma=3D sses all the TIME! &nbsp;To the point of ridiculousness. &nbsp;But (says = the=3D defense, correctly), this is not liturgical music. &nbsp;These are = CONCERT =3D masses!<BR> <BR> Now, have I totally alienated you? &nbsp;I sure hope not. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> I look forward to your response, and to the contributions of better = informe=3D d persons than this narrow-minded Norwegian.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3115472810_600378--    
(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:23:10 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3115473790_659329 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 9/21/02 2:42 PM, "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> wrote:   > Regarding the accompaniment to LBW Setting III Lord's Prayer: if a > congregation has not got used to singing certain things in unison only, > preferably without ANY organ supprot but, if needed, then the organ = playi=3D ng > only the melody, then I would surely teach the folks to sing the Lord's = P=3D rayer > with no accompaniment either. It is plainsong (Gregorian chant), and = tha=3D t > cries out for unaccompanied unison singing. >=3D20 > Let me urge anyone using LBW to let the folks sing the following = items > without harmony from the organ: >=3D20 > 1. the people's responses in the Kyrie > 2. the people's responses to the celebrant in the dialog leading to the > Proper Preface and the Sanctus > 3. the people's response to the benediction >=3D20 > In short, there is a "liturgical conversation" at hand, with the folks = in=3D the > pews responding in as like manner as possible to the cantor or celebrant = =3D or > whatever you call the "leader" at that moment. Using the organ with = the > people tends to make it less "real" a conversation and more into a = formal=3D ilty. > A way to move into that practice, if the folks are not used to it, is to = =3D drop > 16' pitch from the pedals and gradually decrease the harmony volume = while > playing the melody on a louder manual. >=3D20 > I've not played chords with the above people's responses for YEARS!! = =3D And, > 'ya know, the people start getting the idea that, "Hey, I can do this > myself!!" That helps congregation confidence in singing. >=3D20 > Alan responds: >=3D20 > It could NOT be better said. That=3DB9s what we do all the time, and = with re=3D al > gusto. [Likewise the deacon=3DB9s incipits to the Kyrie and Gloria; and = the > people=3DB9s sung Amen after the (deacon=3DB9s chanted) post-Communion = prayer.] =3D Also > the doxology of the Eucharistic Prayer, fortissimo. As Karl says, = people > really do enjoy (yes, even =3DB3get a kick out of=3DB2) the confidence = it gives t=3D hem. >=3D20 > Alan >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20     --B_3115473790_659329 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 9/21/02 2:42 PM, &quot;Karl = Moyer&quot; &lt=3D ;kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> &nbsp;&nbsp;Regarding = the =3D accompaniment to LBW Setting III Lord's Prayer: &nbsp;if a congregation = has =3D not got used to singing certain things in unison only, preferably without = AN=3D Y organ supprot but, if needed, then the organ playing only the melody, = then=3D I would surely teach the folks to sing the Lord's Prayer with no = accompanim=3D ent either. &nbsp;It is plainsong (Gregorian chant), and that cries out = for =3D unaccompanied unison singing. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Let me urge anyone using LBW to let the folks sing the = fo=3D llowing items without harmony from the organ:<BR> <BR> 1. &nbsp;the people's responses in the Kyrie<BR> 2. &nbsp;the people's responses to the celebrant in the dialog leading to = t=3D he Proper Preface and the Sanctus<BR> 3. &nbsp;the people's response to the benediction<BR> <BR> In short, there is a &quot;liturgical conversation&quot; at hand, with the = =3D folks in the pews responding in as like manner as possible to the cantor = or =3D celebrant or whatever you call the &quot;leader&quot; at that moment. = &nbsp;=3D &nbsp;Using the organ with the people tends to make it less = &quot;real&quot;=3D a conversation and more into a formalilty. &nbsp;&nbsp;A way to move into = t=3D hat practice, if the folks are not used to it, is to drop 16' pitch from = the=3D pedals and gradually decrease the harmony volume while playing the melody o=3D n a louder manual. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've not played chords with the above people's responses = =3D for YEARS!! &nbsp;&nbsp;And, 'ya know, the people start getting the idea = tha=3D t, &quot;Hey, I can do this myself!!&quot; &nbsp;&nbsp;That helps = congregati=3D on confidence in singing. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan responds:<BR> <BR> It could NOT be better said. &nbsp;That&#8217;s what we do all the time, = an=3D d with real gusto. &nbsp;[Likewise the deacon&#8217;s incipits to the = Kyrie =3D and Gloria; and the people&#8217;s sung Amen after the (deacon&#8217;s = chant=3D ed) post-Communion prayer.] &nbsp;Also the doxology of the Eucharistic = Praye=3D r, fortissimo. &nbsp;As Karl says, people really do enjoy (yes, even = &#8220;=3D get a kick out of&#8221;) the confidence it gives them. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3115473790_659329--    
(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:31:19 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3115474279_688767 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   On 9/21/02 3:29 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   >>>>> By the way, I now see that that the LBW 3 setting, sans = accompaniment, is >>>>> indeed beautiful!   I KNEW you would, Randy. I REALLY knew you would! (You got ears.)   Alan   --B_3115474279_688767 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 9/21/02 3:29 PM, &quot;Randolph = Runyon&quot=3D ; &lt;runyonr@muohio.edu&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT = FA=3D CE=3D3D"Times New Roman">By the way, I now see that that the LBW 3 = setting, sans=3D accompaniment, is indeed beautiful! &nbsp;<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><FO= =3D NT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> I KNEW you would, Randy. &nbsp;I REALLY knew you would! &nbsp;(You got = ears=3D ..)<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3115474279_688767--    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish Concert Tonight (Chicago Area)(cross posted) From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:30:45 -0500   sorry to be so "dumb" about things, but if someone is sponsoring an event, open to the public, why are they charging to tickets?   just wondering.   jon bertschinger  
(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:32:33 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3115474353_693213 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 9/21/02 3:38 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > Sorry, that got garbled. I meant to say that I now see that the LBW 3 = se=3D tting > of the Lord's Prayer, sans accompaniment, is indeed beautiful. >=3D20   Well, all right. But you don=3DB9t HAVE to limit it to that. But what a = great STARTING point!   Alan, really enjoying this conversation!     --B_3115474353_693213 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 9/21/02 3:38 PM, &quot;Randolph = Runyon&quot=3D ; &lt;runyonr@muohio.edu&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Sorry, that got = garbled. &n=3D bsp;I meant to say that I now see that the LBW 3 setting of the Lord's = Praye=3D r, sans accompaniment, is indeed beautiful.<BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Well, all right. &nbsp;But you don&#8217;t HAVE to limit it to that. = &nbsp;=3D But what a great STARTING point!<BR> <BR> Alan, really enjoying this conversation!<BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3115474353_693213--    
(back) Subject: Re: Hollywood High School From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:34:18 EDT   There will also be a good number of AIO Members at the concert, so those = who are interested in membership or learning more about the AIO and its = programs should speak to some of us. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:42:27 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3115474947_728909 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   Did I already send this? Sorry, gang.   On 9/21/02 2:28 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > can't really appreciate the excellence of the one in setting 3 until I = go=3D to > church this afternoon to practice, where I can look at the accompaniment > version.   Speaking of which, I=3DB9m almost sure that when we started in on Setting = 3, five or six years ago, or so, we did sing it accompanied. (I=3DB9m almost = sure that in childhood our pastors chanted it a capella.) But for the past two or three years, the folks at Saint Lake=3DB9s always sing it a capella. Sometimes a guest organist won=3DB9t =3DB3trust=3DB2 to do that, and = they=3DB9ll give us at least a =3DB3start,=3DB2 but we just take off on it anyway. I think = people LIKE doing that. We do it on the Kyrie as well, and often on such things as = the Agnus Dei. Just =3DB3go for it.=3DB2   Alan   --B_3115474947_728909 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: WOV, LBW, and Luth. Liturgical Music as a Whole</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Did I already send this? &nbsp;Sorry, = gang.<BR=3D > <BR> On 9/21/02 2:28 PM, &quot;Randolph Runyon&quot; &lt;runyonr@muohio.edu&gt; = =3D wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">can't really = appreciate the=3D excellence of the one in setting 3 until I go to church this afternoon to = p=3D ractice, where I can look at the accompaniment version.<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Speaking of which, I&#8217;m almost sure that when we started in on = Setting=3D 3, five or six years ago, or so, we did sing it accompanied. = &nbsp;(I&#8217=3D ;m almost sure that in childhood our pastors chanted it a capella.) = &nbsp;Bu=3D t for the past two or three years, the folks at Saint Lake&#8217;s always = si=3D ng it a capella. &nbsp;Sometimes a guest organist won&#8217;t = &#8220;trust&#=3D 8221; to do that, and they&#8217;ll give us at least a = &#8220;start,&#8221; =3D but we just take off on it anyway. &nbsp;I think people LIKE doing that. = &nb=3D sp;We do it on the Kyrie as well, and often on such things as the Agnus = Dei.=3D &nbsp;Just &#8220;go for it.&#8221;<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3115474947_728909--    
(back) Subject: looking for composers From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:44:33 EDT     --part1_4a.11f1ae72.2abe4241_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   greetings all..   I am preparing a hymn festival for the up-coming OHS convention in Pennsylvania and am looking for a few people who would be interested in contributing descants or choral alternate harmonizations for the hymns, as =   well as short chorale improvisations for introductions, interludes, etc. But, of course, everyone will be able to sing in parts as much as = possible!!! ;-)   In addition, the text of some of the hymns are based upon psalms, and I would like to find not to difficult settings of these psalms as well as plainsong (latin) settings.   I'm certain that the vast resources of this list will will provide me with = an incredible amount of music from which to choose and many helpful ideas.   The working/tentative list of hymns for the festival is: 131 Wind who makes all winds that blow (Aberystwyth) 132 Come, great God of all the ages (Abbot's Leigh) 135 God is One, unique and holy (Trinity) * 138 Holy, holy, holy (Nicaea) 161 As morning dawns --ps 5 (Wareham) 163 Lord, our Lord, Thy glorious name --ps 8 (Gott sei dank) 168 Lord, why have you forsaken me --ps 22 (Conditor alme siderum) 170 The Lord's my Shepherd (Crimond) 192 God, our help and constant refuge --ps 46 (Michael) * 213 God, our Lord, a King remaining --ps 93 (Bryn Calfaria) 235 With joy I heard my friends exclaim --ps 122 (Gonfalon Royal) * 233 Blest are the uncorrupt in heart --ps 119 (Richmond) 257 Give praise to the Lord --ps 149 (Laudate Dominum) 401 When will people cease their fighting (Rustington) *unison hymns (Hymn numbers refer to the Presbyterian Hymnal -- 1990)   Please contact me privately for more information, although I don't mind = any public discussion if you feel it's of interest to the list.   bruise       Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 ....an opportunity for health & wealth http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053   --part1_4a.11f1ae72.2abe4241_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>greetings all.. <BR> <BR>I am preparing a hymn festival for the up-coming OHS convention in = Pennsylvania and am looking for a few people who would be interested in = contributing descants or choral alternate harmonizations for the hymns, as = well as short chorale improvisations for introductions, interludes, etc. = &nbsp;But, of course, everyone will be able to sing in parts as much as = possible!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>In addition, the text of some of the hymns are based upon psalms, = &nbsp;and I would like to find not to difficult settings of these psalms = as well as plainsong (latin) settings. <BR> <BR>I'm certain that the vast resources of this list will will provide me = with an incredible amount of music from which to choose and many helpful = ideas. <BR> <BR>The working/tentative list of hymns for the festival is: &nbsp; <BR>131 &nbsp;Wind who makes all winds that blow &nbsp;(Aberystwyth) <BR>132 &nbsp;Come, great God of all the ages (Abbot's Leigh) <BR>135 &nbsp;God is One, unique and holy &nbsp;(Trinity) &nbsp;&nbsp;* <BR>138 Holy, holy, holy (Nicaea) <BR>161 &nbsp;As morning dawns &nbsp;&nbsp;--ps 5 &nbsp;&nbsp;(Wareham) <BR>163 Lord, our Lord, Thy glorious name &nbsp;&nbsp;--ps 8 = &nbsp;&nbsp;(Gott sei dank) <BR>168 &nbsp;Lord, why have you forsaken me &nbsp;--ps 22 &nbsp;(Conditor = alme siderum) <BR>170 &nbsp;The Lord's my Shepherd &nbsp;&nbsp;(Crimond) <BR>192 &nbsp;God, our help and constant refuge &nbsp;--ps 46 = &nbsp;(Michael) &nbsp;&nbsp;* <BR>213 &nbsp;God, our Lord, a King remaining --ps 93 &nbsp;&nbsp;(Bryn = Calfaria) <BR>235 &nbsp;With joy I heard my friends exclaim &nbsp;--ps 122 (Gonfalon = Royal) &nbsp;* <BR>233 &nbsp;Blest are the uncorrupt in heart &nbsp;&nbsp;--ps 119 = (Richmond) <BR>257 &nbsp;Give praise to the Lord &nbsp;--ps 149 &nbsp;(Laudate = Dominum) <BR>401 When will people cease their fighting &nbsp;&nbsp;(Rustington) <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*unison = hymns <BR>(Hymn numbers refer to the Presbyterian Hymnal -- 1990) <BR> <BR>Please contact me privately for more information, although I don't = mind any public discussion if you feel it's of interest to the list. <BR> <BR>bruise <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 <BR>...an opportunity for health &amp; wealth = &nbsp;http://visionsuccess.com/BC2053</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4a.11f1ae72.2abe4241_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish Concert Tonight (Chicago Area)(cross posted) From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:56:55 -0500   At 04:30 PM 9/21/02 -0500, you wrote: >sorry to be so "dumb" about things, but if someone is sponsoring >an event, open to the public, why are they charging to tickets? > >just wondering. > >jon bertschinger   Maybe it is because there is NO FREE LUNCH   A good many events are sponsored by individuals or corporations who make the event happen and/or underwrite some of the costs. It is not exactly like sponsoring a commercial broadcast which is free to anyone who cares to tune in. In some cases opening an event to the general =   public increases the cost factor. ATOS was unable to open the concerts it sponsored at the Chicago Theatre last April to the general public which would incurred the necessity of more stage, security and custodial costs.   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: looking for composers From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:59:57 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3115475997_792071 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   On 9/21/02 5:44 PM, "Cremona502@cs.com" <Cremona502@cs.com> wrote:   > I am preparing a hymn festival   Bruce!   NEAT!   I encourage you to get in touch with Roger Petrich. Sounds like his kind = of thing.   Roger Petrich, AAGO St Thomas More Catholic Community 940 Carmichael Street Chapel Hill NC 27514-4203   <rpetrich@hotmail.com> <http://www.diaphoramusic.com>   Check out his website for credentials. Geography is right. Talent seems right, I think.   Alan   --B_3115475997_792071 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: looking for composers</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 9/21/02 5:44 PM, = &quot;Cremona502@cs.com&qu=3D ot; &lt;Cremona502@cs.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">I am preparing a hymn = festi=3D val <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Bruce!<BR> <BR> NEAT!<BR> <BR> I encourage you to get in touch with Roger Petrich. &nbsp;Sounds like his = k=3D ind of thing.<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Geneva">Roger Petrich, AAGO<BR> St Thomas More Catholic Community<BR> 940 Carmichael Street<BR> Chapel Hill NC<BR> 27514-4203<BR> <BR> &lt;rpetrich@hotmail.com&gt;<BR> &lt;http://www.diaphoramusic.com&gt;<BR> <BR> Check out his website for credentials. &nbsp;Geography is right. = &nbsp;Tale=3D nt seems right, I think.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3115475997_792071--    
(back) Subject: Re: looking for composers From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:08:25 -0400   At 05:44 PM 21/09/2002 -0400, Bruce wrote: >greetings all.. > >I am preparing a hymn festival for the up-coming OHS convention in >Pennsylvania and am looking for a few people who would be interested in >contributing descants or choral alternate harmonizations for the hymns, = as >well as short chorale improvisations for introductions, interludes, >etc. But, of course, everyone will be able to sing in parts as much as >possible!!! ;-) > >(SNIP) >138 Holy, holy, holy (Nicaea) (Snip)   For the last verse have the organist modulate out of "Nicaea" into the wonderful Graham Kendrick tune set to this text . I usually don't have too =   many good things to say about modern tunes set to well loved texts, but this one works. Bruce must have it in the Baptist hymnal! or one like it. If not I could probably scan it to him.   HD