PipeChat Digest #3144 - Thursday, September 26, 2002
 
TV Churches
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: String player organists?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: recording directly from a digital instrument
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: String player organists?
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: String player organists?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: TV Churches
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Lego Harpsichord, Latin translation
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
RE: copyrightable silence
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Lego Harpsichord, Latin translation
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: copyrightable silence
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
anthem search
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: anthem search
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: copyrightable silence
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: TV Churches From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:06:49 EDT     --part1_e.25ae4d1a.2ac2f2c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The most important thing has been forgotten in this discussion about TV churches....the organ is being picked up through mics that are set for singers and those who will be speaking and then fed through tiny TV = speakers that are far from adequate for the range of sound that is coming from the organ.   As one who has played the Coral Ridge organ, it pretty much has to be = played with everything on at all times because of the typical 1970's thin scales. = The organ sounds good in the room because there is a lot of cubic air = space for the organ to roll around in. Darryl can comment on this more intelligently than I can, however.   As to the full organ and chamade fanfares, when I was at Calvary Church, = Dan and I both used the chamades to do hymn introductions. We didn't do it on =   every hymn, of course, but if you have them, why wouldn'tyou use them on a =   big introduction. There is a train of thought about a little bit of Hollywood now and then.....it doesn't hurt when it's done with some class. = Of course, it can be overdone, but that's when a good musician knows how = to moderate a little bit.   Monty Bennett   --part1_e.25ae4d1a.2ac2f2c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">The most important thing has been = forgotten in this discussion about TV churches....the organ is being = picked up through mics that are set for singers and those who will be = speaking and then fed through tiny TV speakers that are far from adequate = for the range of sound that is coming from the organ.<BR> <BR> As one who has played the Coral Ridge organ, it pretty much has to be = played with everything on at all times because of the typical 1970's thin = scales.&nbsp; The organ sounds good in the room because there is a lot of = cubic air space for the organ to roll around in. Darryl can comment on = this more intelligently than I can, however.<BR> <BR> As to the full organ and chamade fanfares, when I was at Calvary Church, = Dan and I both used the chamades to do hymn introductions.&nbsp; We didn't = do it on every hymn, of course, but if you have them, why wouldn'tyou use = them on a big introduction.&nbsp; There is a train of thought about a = little bit of Hollywood now and then.....it doesn't hurt when it's done = with some class.&nbsp; Of course, it can be overdone, but that's when a = good musician knows how to moderate a little bit.<BR> <BR> Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e.25ae4d1a.2ac2f2c9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: String player organists? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:43:31 -0700   >In a message dated 9/24/02 6:12:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >popel@sover.net writes: > >>I'm to do a presentation on "Small Organs and Instruments" next July at = the >>Region I AGO regional convention on Cape Cod. I have a budget for guest >>instrumentalists, and would like to hire three or four other musicians. >>   My wife is an organist and my daughters are cellist and viola-ist(is that right?) respectively. would that help?   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: recording directly from a digital instrument From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:00:35 -0500   The acoustic of the room is definitely a big factor. I tried this once - there are left and right channel outputs on my home digital organ for connecting to external speakers - so I just patched these directly to the inputs on a recorder. The sound was AWFUL!!! Did not even resemble the sound in the room. Definitely worth the trouble to set up microphones and record ambient sound. (Then the only problem is keeping the dogs from barking.)   Roger Brown wrote:   > tom carter> As an organist/composer, I would find it very > tom carter> convenient to record new works from a digital > tom carter> instrument I play occasionally directly to CD > tom carter> (preferably) or cassette > > For playback through the instrument itself or (as your question > seems to imply) through a separate sound system? > > If the latter, why would you want to record direct - surely an > improvisation is the sum of the instrument plus the accoustic of the > room. The only way to record that would be through good quality > (analogue) microphones. > > -- > Regards, > Roger > > Roger Brown > roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org > http://rogerbrown.tripod.com > http://member.melbpc.org.au/~robrown/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: String player organists? From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:40:32 EDT   In a message dated 9/25/02 7:47:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes:   << viola-ist(is that right?) >>   Violist.   Richard (a hack violist)  
(back) Subject: Re: String player organists? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:02:58 -0700   >In a message dated 9/25/02 7:47:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >jovanderlee@vassar.edu writes: > ><< viola-ist(is that right?) >> > >Violist. > >Richard (a hack violist)   Thanks Rich for correcting my "vile" error.. ;-)   John V ( a hack organ-person)  
(back) Subject: RE: TV Churches From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:06:54 -0400   > As to the full organ and chamade fanfares, when I was at Calvary Church, Dan and I both used the chamades to do hymn introductions. We didn't do = it on every hymn, of course, but if you have them, why wouldn'tyou use them = on a big introduction.   On ordinary Sundays, such a stop shouldn't be used more than once in a service. When I had one, I used it once or twice a month only, and sometimes it was only for a very brief outburst during a hymn, just a = quick five-or-six note flourish over a climactic word like a flash of lightning, and that would be it. As Alec Wyton said, the effectiveness of the State Trumpet varies inversely with the frequency of its use.   I was about to add, it's also most effective when it is used somewhat unexpectedly. Perhaps that is debatable. Wyton himself, a legendary improvisateur, would often build up to a fanfare on the State Trumpet = during an offertory procession, and people knew it was coming and were = anticipating it. But however it's used, it shouldn't become a routine as with other stops.    
(back) Subject: Lego Harpsichord, Latin translation From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:02:30 -0700 (PDT)   Regarding the lego harpsichord (and the gentleman's other lego = sculptures), I wish I had had that many lego goodies when I was a young'un, I really could have built some = great mansions. (Never tried a church with pipe organ though.)   In regards to the Latin, a review of Felix Hell's recital in Greenwood, SC = (on that other organ list) ended with a latin phrase, Raram facit misturam cum sapienta forma. = Can someone translate this for me, or point me to a website that offers online latin-english = translation? I attempted to find such a site, but was unsuccessful.   THANKS! David Carter Looking forward to Fred Swann's recital this Saturday, 9/28, on a new = Schantz 3/58 recently installed in Fair Oaks Presbyterian Church, Fair Oaks CA (a suburb of = Sacramento). Perhaps I will attempt a review, although I would rather read a Malcolm Wechsler review.     --- ContraReed@aol.com wrote: > Every once in a while, something comes along that is so unusual, you = feel you > have to share it. This is a working harpsichord made out of Lego = building > blocks. >       __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: copyrightable silence From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:52:23 -0400   > Any prior copyright on silence would have long expired in the cacophony of the twentieth century.   > However, for Cage to claim he owns it is stretching common sense past = its limits.   The intended effect of Cage's piece is that the audience will begin to notice whatever sounds are occurring, including those made by one another. So maybe it doesn't rise to cacophany, but the sounds in the environment = are what are of interest.   So if this band on the recording really is nothing but silence, it isn't a rendition of the piece, which instructs a performer on what to do. I = don't know if any mere recording could be considered a rendition of the piece, although a video of a live performance with an audience present probably would be. I'm not speaking legally, of course, but a legal decision ought to take such matters into consideration.   That Batt capitulated will probably encourage frivolous plaintiffs all = over the world, which is an unhealthy development. But maybe he is so rich = that he doesn't miss the money or thinkgs that the resulting publicity is a = good investment.   > the task would be to obtain a jury of people with common sense.   I understand that in Britain, a unanimous verdict is no longer necessary = to convict. We can thank a soi-disant "conservative", the Iron Lady herself, for that cute little deterioration in Anglo-American legal tradition (if = it happened-- I know that she wanted it). But if this went to trial and Batt were convicted by a vote of 10-2, Margaret Thatcher would probably be the first to fulminate over how ridiculous the denouement were.   Let's not let it happen here.                
(back) Subject: Re: Lego Harpsichord, Latin translation From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:26:01 -0400   "Perhaps I will attempt a review, although I would rather read a Malcolm Wechsler review."   Dear David,   You are much too kind, and probably too modest as well. I have gone some considerable distances to hear Organ recitals, but this one I cannot make. (I live in Connecticut.) Please do write about Fred's recital. I believe = one of the useful functions of these lists is learning what people are = playing, on what sort of instrument they are playing it, and how they play it. I = hope you will do your bit. I try to do mine whenever possible. It does not usually come easily, but I think it is worth it.   All the best,   Malcolm Wechsler   ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: Lego Harpsichord, Latin translation     > Regarding the lego harpsichord (and the gentleman's other lego sculptures), I wish I had had that > many lego goodies when I was a young'un, I really could have built some great mansions. (Never > tried a church with pipe organ though.) > > In regards to the Latin, a review of Felix Hell's recital in Greenwood, = SC (on that other organ > list) ended with a latin phrase, Raram facit misturam cum sapienta = forma. Can someone translate > this for me, or point me to a website that offers online latin-english translation? I attempted to > find such a site, but was unsuccessful. > > THANKS! > David Carter > Looking forward to Fred Swann's recital this Saturday, 9/28, on a new Schantz 3/58 recently > installed in Fair Oaks Presbyterian Church, Fair Oaks CA (a suburb of Sacramento). Perhaps I will > attempt a review, although I would rather read a Malcolm Wechsler = review. >      
(back) Subject: Re: copyrightable silence From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:34:48 -0500   Well, Glenda, you said it about half way down, "a jury with common = sense", not to mention the attorney that would file it and the court that would = hear it. So fellow listers, just remember this, the next time you pause too = long before you begin your improv.   Jim H     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: RE: copyrightable silence     > Smooch, smooch. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: anthem search From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:37:10 -0500   Hi all, I need a suggestion for a 4 part anthem for All Saints Day not = based on Sine Nomine since we are singing the hymn. So as not to derail the current pipe thread please e mail me direct at highnote@mhtc.net. = Something not too difficult <g> thanks !   By the way, all the many suggestions for choir prayers sometime back were wonderful and I have used them ! Thanks for your many contributions ! Robert    
(back) Subject: Re: anthem search From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:09:15 -0400   Do you know "How beauteous are their feet . . . " by C. V. Stanford. It is = a truly gorgeous work, available easily, I should think, and reasonably simple, but a pleasure to learn. It is accompanied. If your choir does not love it, they have hearts of stone!   Good Luck,   Malcolm     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: anthem search     > Hi all, I need a suggestion for a 4 part anthem for All Saints Day not based > on Sine Nomine since we are singing the hymn. So as not to derail the > current pipe thread please e mail me direct at highnote@mhtc.net. Something > not too difficult <g> thanks ! > > By the way, all the many suggestions for choir prayers sometime back = were > wonderful and I have used them ! Thanks for your many contributions ! > Robert >      
(back) Subject: RE: copyrightable silence From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:22:29 -0500   In response to Paul Emmons' post:   (1) If the intent of Cage was for people to notice the extraneous/ambient noises, I would consider that a compelling argument against his ability to copyright same; he cannot own those sounds any more than he can the silence itself. Furthermore, if they cannot be reduced to writing/score, that fact would also hurt his case.   (2) There would be no "convictions" in a civil case, which this would most probably be; copyright infringement is generally enforced by lawsuit, not prosecution. Most of these United States do (I know that is wrong, but cannot bring myself to say "does") not require a unanimous verdict in civil cases.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Emmons, Paul   The intended effect of Cage's piece is that the audience will begin to notice whatever sounds are occurring, including those made by one another. So maybe it doesn't rise to cacophany, but the sounds in the environment are what are of interest.   So if this band on the recording really is nothing but silence, it isn't a rendition of the piece, which instructs a performer on what to do. I don't know if any mere recording could be considered a rendition of the piece, although a video of a live performance with an audience present probably would be.   .. . .   I understand that in Britain, a unanimous verdict is no longer necessary to convict. We can thank a soi-disant "conservative", the Iron Lady herself, for that cute little deterioration in Anglo-American legal tradition (if it happened-- I know that she wanted it). But if this went to trial and Batt were convicted by a vote of 10-2, Margaret Thatcher would probably be the first to fulminate over how ridiculous the denouement were.