PipeChat Digest #3588 - Friday, April 4, 2003
 
Re: The Peachey Stone
  by "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk>
Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
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Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com>
Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject
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RE: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com>
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Re: no messages
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Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
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RE: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: no messages
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Re: Two previous threads
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
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Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject
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St. Joan of Arc, Indy
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Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com>
Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
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(back) Subject: Re: The Peachey Stone From: "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:21:12 +0100   Very good John.   On page 4,365 of his famous book "John, me and the Peachey Stone" Byron wrote of the promise you showed as a poet. He went on to say that he expected you to team up with Gilbert and Sullivan.   Not many on this list, although there will be some, will know that the collaboration with G & S lead to some fine works such as "HMS Ophicleide" "Ruddigore Lewis" "Princess Diaphone" and many others fine works.   Cheers   Alan London         ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:31 AM Subject: Re: The Peachey Stone     > Alan Taylor sent me a message yesterday assuring me his post was = humorous in > intent - yes, it was quite funny, thank you Alan! He asked me why I = hadn't > responded - pressure of work is the answer, however I woke up at 5 this > morning and unable to get back to sleep, penned the following - with > apologies to WS Gilbert (or was it Arthur Sullivan?) Two poets far = greater > than I - Lord Byron and John Betjeman - have written of Harrow = Churchyard, > but here is a third offering: > > Lying one day in the Churchyard > I was weary and ill at ease > The organ sound came faintly > Fanned by the summer's breeze > And then to my amazement > A voice rang loud and clear > It was the voice of Byron > Ringing down from yesteryear > > The sounds of T C Lewis > Inspired his noble heart > The diapason's thunder > Gave voice to his fine art > The Tubas and the Trumpets > >From organs far and wide > Joined in the Clarion Chorus > To praise the Ophicleide > > And so on his great journey > >From School to Greece's shore > The Great and Swell's rich mixture > Contain the organ's roar > >From Elm to Missolonghi > >From Harrow's Peachey Stone > Lord Byron's epic voyage > Was launched by Diaphone! > > > www.johnfoss.gr > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:01:28 -0600     Because of my two planned trips out West, I'm looking for places to worship on Sunday, May 18 around Page/Lake Powell/North Rim, and on Sunday, June 15 in Salt Lake City. You know what I like - moderate to high Episcopal stuff, good organ(ist).   I figure there might not be anything around Page, and Rick is not much into the Anglo-Catholic thing anyway. However, there has to be a selection for Salt Lake City in June - they're not ALL Mormons!   Thanks,   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com        
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:52:44 -0500   Hi Glenda,   Try this URL. It won't tell you anything about churchmanship, but it does give addresses for all the Episcopal churches in the country that have websites, and you should be able to learn something from them.   http://www.dfms.org/webpages/   Possibly bring your own incense!   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:01 AM Subject: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah     > > Because of my two planned trips out West, I'm looking for places to > worship on Sunday, May 18 around Page/Lake Powell/North Rim, and on > Sunday, June 15 in Salt Lake City. You know what I like - moderate to > high Episcopal stuff, good organ(ist). > > I figure there might not be anything around Page, and Rick is not much > into the Anglo-Catholic thing anyway. However, there has to be a > selection for Salt Lake City in June - they're not ALL Mormons! > > Thanks, > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:57:12 EST     --part1_70.2c99810d.2bbd97b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Glenda .............   In Salt Lake City, the downtown Episcopal Church is St. Mark's Cathedral. =   They have a relatively new organist, his name is George Henry. The instrument is a mid 60's era Holtkamp.   Bill Hesterman   --part1_70.2c99810d.2bbd97b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Glenda .............<BR> <BR> In Salt Lake City, the downtown Episcopal Church is St. Mark's = Cathedral.&nb=3D sp; They have a relatively new organist, his name is George Henry.&nbsp; = The=3D instrument is a mid 60's era Holtkamp.<BR> <BR> Bill Hesterman<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_70.2c99810d.2bbd97b8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:58:16 -0800 (PST)   Glenda, Can't help you much with the May trip, but Salt Lake City is somewhat better known to me (I was just there about two weeks ago and had a chance to see/hear/tour the new Schoenstein in the LDS Conference Center...a subject for another posting).   The cathedral, St. Mark's, has a fine three manual Holtkamp in a rear gallery. The organist is very fine, indeed: Dr. Rulon Christiansen, a Vierne specialist with a Performer's Certificate (and DMA) from Eastman.     The only other Episcopal parish that I know of with an ambitious music program is St. Paul's, but their new organ is currently being installed. As of two weeks ago only the Swell was playing and word was that lack of funds had rendered the completion date vague to partly murky. I do not know who the musician is at this parish.   However, I cannot imagine why you would miss the rare opportunity to attend the live broadcast of Music and the Spoken Word from the Tabernacle. The Choir is in the best shape I have ever heard them and the organ is one of the wonders of the musical world. It's free; you need to be in your seat by 9:15am (although the doors open earlier if you'd like to hear a portion of their rehearsal) and you would be on your way by 10:05 or so in case you wanted to catch another service elsewhere at 11:00 (St. Mark's is only a few blocks away).   Enjoy your visit!   Dan Gawthrop   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 06:50:21 -0800   Glenda, by all means go to the Roman Catholic Cathedral of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City ... they have a choir school, and a fabulous 4m tracker organ in ROMANTIC style by Kenneth Jones (Irish builder) ... finest Lessons and Carols I've EVER heard on THIS side of the pond.   Cheers,   Bud   Glenda wrote: > > Because of my two planned trips out West, I'm looking for places to > worship on Sunday, May 18 around Page/Lake Powell/North Rim, and on > Sunday, June 15 in Salt Lake City. You know what I like - moderate to > high Episcopal stuff, good organ(ist). > > I figure there might not be anything around Page, and Rick is not much > into the Anglo-Catholic thing anyway. However, there has to be a > selection for Salt Lake City in June - they're not ALL Mormons! > > Thanks, > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:11:09 -0800 (PST)   Glenda,   There are also daily organ recitals on Temple square, noon on weekdays, and 2 p.m. on Sunday. I don't remember whether the Saturday recital is at noon or 2 p.m.   These recitals are usually held at the Aeolian-Skinner/Schoenstein at the Tabernacle, but sometimes are held on the lovely 3 manual Sipe in the Assembly hall.   I always try to pig out on these recitals when I go home to Utah to visit the kin.   Have fun!   -Bill   --- Dan Gawthrop <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com> wrote: > Glenda, Can't help you much with the May trip, but > Salt Lake City is somewhat better known to me (I was > just there about two weeks ago and had a chance to > see/hear/tour the new Schoenstein in the LDS > Conference Center...a subject for another posting). > > The cathedral, St. Mark's, has a fine three manual > Holtkamp in a rear gallery. The organist is very fine, > indeed: Dr. Rulon Christiansen, a Vierne specialist > with a Performer's Certificate (and DMA) from Eastman. > > > The only other Episcopal parish that I know of with an > ambitious music program is St. Paul's, but their new > organ is currently being installed. As of two weeks > ago only the Swell was playing and word was that lack > of funds had rendered the completion date vague to > partly murky. I do not know who the musician is at > this parish. > > However, I cannot imagine why you would miss the rare > opportunity to attend the live broadcast of Music and > the Spoken Word from the Tabernacle. The Choir is in > the best shape I have ever heard them and the organ is > one of the wonders of the musical world. It's free; > you need to be in your seat by 9:15am (although the > doors open earlier if you'd like to hear a portion of > their rehearsal) and you would be on your way by 10:05 > or so in case you wanted to catch another service > elsewhere at 11:00 (St. Mark's is only a few blocks > away). > > Enjoy your visit! > > Dan Gawthrop > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:22:47 -0800   St. Mark's Cathedral, Salt Lake City with a fine Walter Holtkamp, Sr. organ is hard to beat!   Blaine Ricketts     Glenda wrote:   > Because of my two planned trips out West, I'm looking for places to > worship on Sunday, May 18 around Page/Lake Powell/North Rim, and on > Sunday, June 15 in Salt Lake City.    
(back) Subject: Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:50:03 EST     --part1_71.2f4840c8.2bbdc03b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/31/03 1:28:37 PM Central Standard Time, thoehn@theatreorgans.com writes:   > And at this point we'll never know the name of the parish or it's = location > since you obviously want to protect the innocent....     If it's where I think it is and from what I heard from another organist = "in the know," it's St. Joan of Arc in Indianapolis.   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.   --part1_71.2f4840c8.2bbdc03b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 3/31/03 1:28:37 PM Central = Standard=3D Time, thoehn@theatreorgans.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And at this point we'll never = k=3D now the name of the parish or it's location<BR> since you obviously want to protect the innocent....</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">If it's where I = think it is=3D20=3D and from what I heard from another organist "in the know," it's St. Joan = of=3D20=3D Arc in Indianapolis.<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D4=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Monotype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>Scott F. = Foppiano=3D </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></B><BR> Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#00000=3D 0" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D3D"Mo=3D notype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_71.2f4840c8.2bbdc03b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:35:15 -0500   Saint Mark's Cathedral in Salt Lake City had absolutely first-rate music = ca. 1984. I gather that this is still the case. The organ is a three-manual Holtkamp in the west gallery.   However, you might also want to investigate the Roman Catholic Cathedral = of the Madeleine. Unfortunately, I never took the time to go in when I was visiting the city back then; but I know that it is quite a large building. I think the organ is new. Most exciting of all, it has a *choir school!* See: http://www.madeleinechoirschool.org/index.html   I was given to understand by certain people back in the early 1980s that = S. Mark's Cathedral was the about the only outpost of decent church music in the entire state of Utah. But the R.C. cathedral is another contender, = and perhaps has now surpassed it.   Paul    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:58:49 -0800   On 4/3/03 10:35 AM, Emmons, Paul said something about:   > I was given to understand by certain people back in the early 1980s that = S. > Mark's Cathedral was the about the only outpost of decent church music = in > the entire state of Utah.   Had "certain people" not been acquainted with that little group called the "Mormon Tabernacle Choir"?      
(back) Subject: no messages From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:05:04 +1200   Could someone at Pipechat HQ please explain to me why I've been dropped = from the List? I do not recall having offended anyone, and I do not have a = virus on my computer.   Please reinstate me.   Thanks in advance, Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: no messages From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:31:40 -0500   At 08:05 AM 4/4/2003 +1200, you wrote: >Could someone at Pipechat HQ please explain to me why I've been dropped = from >the List? I do not recall having offended anyone, and I do not have a = virus >on my computer. > >Please reinstate me. > >Thanks in advance, >Ross   Ross,   How did you post this message, if you are not on this list?   Bizzzzarrrrrrrre.     Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:52:33 -0500   On 4/3/03 1:35 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > I was given to understand by certain people back in the early 1980s that = S. > Mark's Cathedral was the about the only outpost of decent church music = in > the entire state of Utah. But the R.C. cathedral is another contender, = and > perhaps has now surpassed it. > Back about then (late 80s), the organist at the Madeleine was described as the youngest Director of Music in the history of American RC cathedrals. Name, Matthew Knip, then in his late 20s. Very talented fellow. Later he became organist in a suburban Minneapolis parish, from which he was fired when the pastor heard some rumors. Then he was at Jehovah Lutheran = Church, St. Paul, for several years, after which he came to Saint Luke's, New York City (and became Lutheran). Both Jehovah and Saint Luke's knew about the rumors but could not care LESS.   He's now back in academia, studying to be an even more effective teacher = of better social values in our society.   Is Francis Manion still the rector at the Madeleine, or did I hear that = he'd gone to the Midwest? (St. John's University, Collegeville; or maybe = Liturgy Training Publications?) He's much published at St. John's, in WORSHIP magazine, etc.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:23:49 -0500   On 4/3/03 1:58 PM, "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com> wrote:   >> the only outpost of decent church music in >> the entire state of Utah. > > Had "certain people" not been acquainted with that little group called = the > "Mormon Tabernacle Choir"?   My GUESS would be that "outpost of decent church music" meant to the first speaker more than awesomely wonderful musical performances, which MoTab certainly delivers, but defined it more broadly (or more narrowly, if that says it better for you). Like singing liturgical masses, etc. Just a matter of definition.   Alan      
(back) Subject: RE: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:57:08 -0500   > Had "certain people" not been acquainted with that little group called = the "Mormon Tabernacle Choir"?   You mean "Jerry Ottley and the geriatrics?" (To quote said "certain people.")   I'll grant them more than that: they really work quite hard, take = themselves seriously, and are a worthy example of a monster choral society. Such a group has its place. But it bears little resemblance to any church music tradition.   I gather that the LDS put all their eggs in one basket: on Temple Square, one fabulous, world-famous choir and organ; out in the boonies, usually a wasteland.      
(back) Subject: Re: no messages From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:07:36 -0600   At 8:05 AM +1200 04/04/03, Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: >Could someone at Pipechat HQ please explain to me why I've been dropped = from >the List? I do not recall having offended anyone, and I do not have a = virus >on my computer. > >Please reinstate me.   From Pipechat HQ!! <G>   Ross, if you were able to post this to the list then you were not removed and i know that i didn't remove you from the list. And from looking at the "bounced" mail i haven't seen your address so i don't know what is happening to your copies of the list mail. i would check with your ISP to find out where it is going.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Two previous threads From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:16:41 -0700       Having been away for a couple of weeks, I am just now catching up on some "old" postings and wanted to respond to two of them.   1. There were rather strong assertions from one person that the reason for the decline of interest in the pipe organ was due to the Neo Baroque movement. There are at least two reasons why this is simply not true. 1. Most organs during the time of the Neo Baroque movement were not Neo Baroque organs. Only three major builders were involved; Casavant, Schlicker and Holtkamp. It is true that some Neo Baroque organs came from other builders but that was not their main emphasis. The number of instruments imported from Europe was quite small, though certainly influential in some quarters.   The overwhelming majority of organs heard throughout the country were not Neo Baroque, since Neo Baroque organs were a small part of the total output of new organs, and most churches did not buy new organs. The number of organs already in place and continuing to be used were not Neo Baroque. To put it another way, the number of new pipe organs installed in any one year is very small compared to the number of organs already in existence.   2. It was during the time of the Neo Baroque movement that larger and larger electronics were being developed and installed. There are far more of them around than Neo Baroque pipe organs. Since this development also parallels the decline of the organ, and since so many more electronic organs are installed than pipe organs, perhaps they are the real reason for the decline in interest in the organ!   And no, I do not think my last statement is true. The point is that the organ decline probably has little or nothing to do with style of organ building or whether the sound comes from pipes or speakers.     2. There were many exchanges about enclosure. I believe in all of them enclosure and expression were treated as synonyms. Gradual dynamic change is only ONE element of expressiveness, though in many contexts, a very important one.   Equally or more important are touch and rhythmic shading. To suggest that expressiveness is not possible on a totally unenclosed organ is ridiculous. There are no unexpressive organs (regardless of total enclosure or total unenclosure) only UNEXPRESSIVE ORGANISTS! ! !   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:10:02 -0500   On 4/3/03 5:57 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > Such a group has its place. > But it bears little resemblance to any church music tradition.   THAT'S what I was trying to say. You have a gift for a fine phrase.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:22:37 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScottFop@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject     > > If it's where I think it is and from what I heard from another organist "in > the know," it's St. Joan of Arc in Indianapolis.   That's in the Mid West? I thought it was on the East Coast. <g>   John Speller, St. Louis, Missouri.    
(back) Subject: Re: Dropping the KILGEN subject From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:38:51 -0500   On 4/3/03 8:22 PM, "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   >> If it's where I think it is and from what I heard from another organist >> in the know," it's St. Joan of Arc in Indianapolis. > > That's in the Mid West? I thought it was on the East Coast. <g> > Everything's relative. When I lived in Montana, Indianapolis was "back east." But now I'm in New York, and it's "out west somewhere." But I = think most New Yorkers regard Midwest as including everything west of Ohio out = as far as maybe Montana, but, in all cases, north of a line passing through = St. Louis. I don't know.   Old family friends from Indianapolis (living in Seattle) regarded = themselves as Midwest--for what it's worth.   Most Americans think of Poland as eastern Europe; but it's dead center. What can one say?   Alan    
(back) Subject: St. Joan of Arc, Indy From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:12:28 -0600   St. Joan of Arc has a 3/34 Kilgen from 1928, rebuilt by McPherson in 1980.... of course there could have been many changes since 1980......This was published in the AGO handbook for Indy organs about 1982.   Sand Lawn    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:31:48 -0800   On 4/3/03 2:57 PM, Emmons, Paul said something about:   > I gather that the LDS put all their eggs in one basket: on Temple = Square, > one fabulous, world-famous choir and organ; out in the boonies, usually = a > wasteland.   As an LDS composer, conductor and organist who knows better, I'll just silently take umbrage to that.   But to define "church music" as pertaining only to worship tradition? = That's still a broad umbrella, if a person is to believe that music is one of the most basic and universal forms of worship. You will not convince me that = the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is purely for the sake of entertainment, and not worship.   Also, while I'm at it, you might be interested to hear the Mo-Tab Choir = now under new management (Mack Wilberg and Craig Jessop), and you might also = be interested to know the age requirement for entering the choir is now 21, I believe. Somewhere in the early 20s. It's a much different choir than it = was in 1980, and is only getting better.    
(back) Subject: Re: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 01:39:26 -0800   (Pardon me, while I argue with myself)   On 4/4/03 1:31 AM, Eric McKirdy said something about:   > But to define "church music" as pertaining only to worship tradition? = That's > still a broad umbrella, if a person is to believe that music is one of = the > most basic and universal forms of worship. You will not convince me that = the > Mormon Tabernacle Choir is purely for the sake of entertainment, and not > worship.   Although I can easily understand why if a person is interested in hearing = a Mass, or related worship music, attending a Tabernacle Choir concert probably shouldn't be on the agenda. That would be a different kind of worship than that for which a person would be in the market.   That said, the choir's main purpose is to be a tool of spirituality, not a vehicle of entertainment or marketing.   Food for thought, Eric