PipeChat Digest #3591 - Saturday, April 5, 2003
 
Looking for Handel
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Compton Polyphone (X Post)
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: William Ferris at Holy Name Cathedral
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Compton Polyphone (X Post)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah
  by "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com>
Re: Compton Polyphone (X Post)
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
Re: Compton Polyphone (X Post)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music
  by "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com>
 

(back) Subject: Looking for Handel From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 05:24:07 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C2FB33.94B83800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear List,   I am trying to locate an organ transcription of Handel's "March" from =3D the Occasional Oratorio for an upcoming wedding. Anyone have this =3D piece? My (very old) copy was lost in a house fire, and I can't =3D remember the publisher or editor! Any help GREATLY appreciated. I =3D have searched the net to no avail, alas.   Thanks in advance,   Tim     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C2FB33.94B83800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am trying to locate an =3D organ&nbsp;transcription=3D20 of Handel's "March" from the Occasional Oratorio for an upcoming =3D wedding.&nbsp;=3D20 Anyone have this piece?&nbsp; My (very old) copy&nbsp;was lost in a =3D house fire,=3D20 and I can't remember the publisher or editor!&nbsp; &nbsp;Any help =3D GREATLY=3D20 appreciated.&nbsp; I have searched the net to no avail, =3D alas.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks in advance,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tim</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified = =3D Virus=3D20 Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.467 /=3D20 Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C2FB33.94B83800--    
(back) Subject: Compton Polyphone (X Post) From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:47:23 +0000   Several people have asked me to let them know when I updated my site - I have added 4 photos of the 32' Polyphone on the Compton organ at St Mary Magdalene's Paddington to my photo album : click on my website, www.johnfoss.gr gallery, then organs. St Mary Magdalene's has had = several internationally famous organists play there, including Madeleine Durufle, Michael Dudman, Jean Langlais and Daniel Chorzempa. There are also a = couple of photos of the console (traditional Compton illuminated stops) Incidentally, I visited the Pipes at the peak site - yet another superb restoration and installation of a Compton theatre organ. http://www.dovedalegarage.ukonline.co.uk/ JF www.johnfoss.gr       _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail    
(back) Subject: Re: William Ferris at Holy Name Cathedral From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 07:14:30 -0600   Hi! The William Ferris Chorale is indeed still very active performing several subscription concerts at Mt. Carmel each year. I can't remember at the moment who the current conductor is. I do know that the accompanist/organist for the group is U of C's Rockefeller Chapel Organist, Thomas Weisflog. Beau Surratt, Organist St. Peter's UCC, Elmhurst,IL Organ Performance Major, Northern Illinois University, DeKalb,IL     -----Original Message----- From: RSiegel920@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:36:36 EST Subject: Re: William Ferris at Holy Name Cathedral   > William Ferris, who was then 25 and had been in that position > > for a few years, IIRC. He might have been hired when he was but a > teenager > > Bob: Aha! So I was fed a line. No sweat; bothers me not. Thanks for > your > submission. I'm AMAZED, a bit, though, that a TEENager, without even a > bachelor's degree in something (no matter HOW talented) might be > engaged as > Director of Music at a MAJOR cathedral. He must have been (and be) > really > something! And, of course, it could have happened! > > William Ferris was indeed "Something".... He studied high school at > Quigley > Prep Seminary in Chicago from which the trebles of the Cathedral > Choristers > were chosen. Upon graduation and matriculation at DePaul University he > was > named Cathedral Organist at Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago. Thereafter > he > accepted as position at Sacred Heart Cathedral in Rochester NY for > Bishop > Sheen (of TV fame). Upon his return to Chicago he founded the William > Ferris > Chorale and held various prestigous positions in Chicago Episcopal > churches > until he was named Music Director at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church on > the > near north side of Chicago where he created and maintained the finest- > bar > none- liturgical choral program in Chicago. The WF Chorale were > "artists in > residence" at Mt. Carmel Church for many years and performed 3 or 4 > subscription concerts per year at the church as well as accepting guest > performances throughout the US and abroad including the Glendebourne > festival > in England. Ferris was awarded a papal knighthood in recognition of his > work > in Catholic Church music. Ferris died several years ago in the midst of > conducting a rehearsal of the Verdi Requiem. What a way to go..... > > regards > Dick Siegel > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Compton Polyphone (X Post) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 08:08:59 -0600   When I attempt to go to John Foss' website I get a message saying "connection refused". Has anyone else been having this problem?   John Speller   John Foss wrote:   > Several people have asked me to let them know when I updated my site - > I have added 4 photos of the 32' Polyphone on the Compton organ at St > Mary Magdalene's Paddington to my photo album : click on my website, > www.johnfoss.gr gallery, then organs.        
(back) Subject: RE: Episcopal churches in Arizona/Utah From: "Dan Gawthrop" <arcopizzicato@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 06:17:38 -0800 (PST)   Paul wrote: > I suppose I should apologize for my earlier remark; > I shall if convinced > that it is ill-informed and factually false.   Actually, I'm not much inclined to be offended by a statement, however critical, which is simply "ill-informed and factually false." Being ill-informed is forgiveable and easily corrected. For the record, your remark, "You mean "Jerry Ottley and the geriatrics?" is ill-informed and factually false on a number of levels, beginning with the point that Jerry has been retired from directing the choir for more than three years.   I'm far more likely to put off by the kind of aggressively abusive ignorance which tries to disguise its malicious intent behind a false mask of "wit"--the statement quoted above contained no meaningful criticism of the musical performances of the ensemble, it merely took a cheap shot at an institution which deserves a bit better from anyone who, like the speaker, claims by his presence in this forum to have a more than casual interest in music.   > But I get tired, in general, of Christians who go on > and on about how their > religion is the source of everything good, and how > awful is the world around > them, while they sing, play, and hear nothing but > schlock that comes > straight out of the culture from which they profess > to be distinct.   Now here is a legitimate criticism, one which could in justice be leveled at many or even most churches. The practice of adopting music from the pop and commercial world, substituting shallow quasi-sacred self-focused lyrics, and then expecting it to successfully raise us above the quotidian and mundane is foolish and unrealistic. Robert Shaw said it best: "You cannot lay the offerings of Saturday night's bar-room on Sunday morning's altar."   This, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with the backhanded insult offered to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and is not an effective defense.   > When you can paw through the voluminous > "Christian music" record > bins of an entire "Christian book" store without > finding a single disk of > Gregorian chant, Bach cantatas, or Franck chorales, > you have to suspect that > they're not really trying very hard.   Granted, but again, irrelevant to the statement made and not an effective defense against the insult offered. (Recordings of the Tabernacle choir, by the way, are only rarely found in "Christian" bookstores and frequently do contain repertoire of the sort you mentioned as being missing from those establishments...indeed, that may be part of the reason why they're not carried!.)   I sense a frustration with a situation much, much wider than the Mormon Tabernacle Choir--perhaps they simply got in the way at the wrong time--and with this wider concern I can easily share a common interest. I'd like to suggest that in these troubled times all of us, myself very much included, could benefit from a more generous spirit, even when some criticism my be absolutely justified.   Can we agree on that much at least?   Dan Gawthrop     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Compton Polyphone (X Post) From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 09:19:00 -0500   I did too, but found the site using the name: John Foss in the Netscape search engine.   Stan   "John L. Speller" wrote: > > When I attempt to go to John Foss' website I get a message saying > "connection refused". Has anyone else been having this problem? > > John Speller > > John Foss wrote: > > > Several people have asked me to let them know when I updated my site - > > I have added 4 photos of the 32' Polyphone on the Compton organ at St > > Mary Magdalene's Paddington to my photo album : click on my website, > > www.johnfoss.gr gallery, then organs.    
(back) Subject: Re: Compton Polyphone (X Post) From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 09:24:12 -0500   I was not able to open this web page either, - "Not Available" was what I = got!   Bob Conway   At 08:08 AM 4/5/03 -0600, you wrote: >When I attempt to go to John Foss' website I get a message saying >"connection refused". Has anyone else been having this problem? > >John Speller > >John Foss wrote: > >>Several people have asked me to let them know when I updated my site - I =   >>have added 4 photos of the 32' Polyphone on the Compton organ at St Mary =   >>Magdalene's Paddington to my photo album : click on my website, >>www.johnfoss.gr gallery, then organs. > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 07:15:44 -0800   Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been told the following by Mormon friends, and also by organ-builders who have built for Mormon churches:   (1) Mormon musicians are NEVER paid (presumably with the exception of the Tabernacle).   (2) In recent years, Salt Lake has set a cap on the amount a local church may spend on an organ, which ipso facto means that unless they want a 3-4 rank unit organ, they WILL have an electronic substitute.   (3) Organs for Mormon churches must be small enough and simple enough for a large number of volunteer pianists-turned-organists to find their way around on them, since every ward has its own musicians, and several wards meet in the same church (stake-house?) at different times. To this end, several electronic manufacturers have brought out special "Mormon models" for the use of Mormon churches.   A Mormon friend of mine who was involved in Mormon choral music at the local level often lamented to me that he couldn't bring the repertoire and expertise of his choir up to the level of the local Methodists (!), and that even the lowest-common-denominator general protestant anthem repertoire was quite beyond them; nor did they LIKE it, OR want to SING it.   I'm in Southern California; perhaps things are different in other parts of the country; but from the occasional discussions with Mormon musicians online, it would seem that the above is pretty representative of Mormon church music at the LOCAL level.   Given that (if indeed it's true), the building of yet ANOTHER huge organ in Salt Lake City is something of a puzzlement, unless I REALLY don't understand the relationship between what goes on musically in Salt Lake and what goes on musically in the local church. The two seem rather disconnected to an outsider.   The original request that started this thread was for churches in Salt Lake where one could hear "high-church" music IN THE CONTEXT OF THE EUCHARIST, (and see traditional anglo-catholic ceremonial, I believe). With respect, neither the Tabernacle nor the Tabernacle Choir qualify on THOSE counts, which says NOTHING about the level of expertise of the choir OR the repertoire sung there in a NON-liturgical setting. As far as I know, beyond a few prayer responses, there IS no liturgical music in the Mormon Church as a Roman Catholic, Anglican, or Lutheran would understand the term "liturgical music", i.e. settings of the Ordinary and Proper of the Eucharist.   Apropos of nothing in particular, there's a brand-new Mormon stake-house across the street from St. Matthew's, and they recently broke ground for a new temple next door to that. The zoning board gave an exception for them to have a 90-foot spire; St. Matthew's IMMEDIATELY applied for the same exception for our main church, which will be built shortly (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music From: "Eric McKirdy" <eric@jazzyeric.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 07:36:42 -0800   On 4/5/03 7:15 AM, quilisma@socal.rr.com said something about:   > (1) Mormon musicians are NEVER paid (presumably with the exception of > the Tabernacle).   There are no paid positions anywhere in the local and regional levels of = the ministry. It's not specific to musicians. The reason for this is found in the New Testament. None of the teachers or ministers of Christ's church = were paid -- it was all about service.   > (2) In recent years, Salt Lake has set a cap on the amount a local > church may spend on an organ, which ipso facto means that unless they > want a 3-4 rank unit organ, they WILL have an electronic substitute.   In a rapidly growing church such as ours, some element of control must be placed in order to keep spending from going out of control. For the cost = of one pipe organ, an entire church building could be built in South America. At the church's present rate of growth, many more meetinghouses will be needed, which justifiably take precedence over pipe organs.   If the congregations associated with a new church building want a pipe organ, which usually happens when they have one or more people who can really play a pipe organ, then they can pool their money (coupled with whatever is budgeted by Salt Lake City) and get a pipe organ. Two = excellent (but not recent) examples of this happening are at LDS meetinghouses in Eugene, Oregon and Belmont, Massachusetts. > (3) Organs for Mormon churches must be small enough and simple enough > for a large number of volunteer pianists-turned-organists <SNIP> To this > end, several electronic manufacturers have brought out special "Mormon > models" for the use of Mormon churches.   No, there's no mandate stating that organs must be simplified. For the = last decade and a half, the church has contracted with both Rodgers and Allen, both of which produce two models specifically for use in LDS church buildings, and they are more than adequate for most organists. Yes, a lot = of people who serve as organists aren't necessarily trained, but usually they get the job done. (The people teaching Sunday School or assisting in the library aren't necessarily trained, either, but they do just fine.)   > A Mormon friend of mine who was involved in Mormon choral music at the > local level often lamented to me that he couldn't bring the repertoire > and expertise of his choir up to the level of the local Methodists (!), > and that even the lowest-common-denominator general protestant anthem > repertoire was quite beyond them; nor did they LIKE it, OR want to SING > it.   It's not appropriate to paint all LDS church choirs with the same brush, just as you wouldn't form an opinion of all Catholic choirs based on = hearing the performance of only one. For instance, I was just mentioning to Dan Gawthrop that I direct an LDS choir of 30 committed voices, and very high talent. They sing at least twice per month, all sorts of repertoire (including Advent stuff at Christmas, and even some Good Friday and Lenten music), and do major programs for Christmas, Easter and Mother's Day. Once per year we host a choral summit of sorts, where other church choirs from the city come and present their stuff, and then we get together to do four or five numbers together at the end.   I would suggest your friend ought to look first at his or her abilities as = a choir director before blaming the choir for not being up to par.   > I'm in Southern California; perhaps things are different in other parts > of the country; but from the occasional discussions with Mormon > musicians online, it would seem that the above is pretty representative > of Mormon church music at the LOCAL level.   It's all about perception. Sure, I could probably get hired at any other church in the city as an organist/choral director just based on the reputation my church choir has earned, but frankly, I wouldn't do things = any other way.   Speaking of which, it's time to go to a rehearsal!   Eric -- I appreciate these questions asked by Bud, without any apparent malice or ill will, too