PipeChat Digest #3592 - Saturday, April 5, 2003
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music (a personal view, long)
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
RE: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Tried-and-True OHS players in  OHS 2003
  by "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Organs to see/hear
  by "William Miller" <Miltronix@comcast.net>
Re: William Ferris at Holy Name Cathedral
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>

(back) Subject: Perspectives From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 08:56:35 -0800       Eric McKirdy wrote: > > On 4/5/03 7:15 AM, quilisma@socal.rr.com said something about: > > > (1) Mormon musicians are NEVER paid (presumably with the exception of > > the Tabernacle). > > There are no paid positions anywhere in the local and regional levels of = the > ministry. It's not specific to musicians. The reason for this is found = in > the New Testament. None of the teachers or ministers of Christ's church = were > paid -- it was all about service.   I'm not REAL sure I wanna open THIS can of worms again (chuckle).   I have a Bachelor of Music degree with a major in Organ Performance. Half of it is from Oberlin Conservatory; the other half (chuckle) is from Cincinnati College-Conservatory. I had to quit and go to work for five years in the middle in order to be able to afford to finish it. All told, I think the cost of that degree (in the 1960s) was around $30K.   I was WELL over fifty before I got a full-time job in music that actually paid a full-time SALARY with benefits. At various times in my life, I kept books for a health club, drove a delivery truck, worked as a typesetter, and sold advertising for a daily newspaper, in order to SUBSIDIZE my participation in church music as a choirmaster and organist.   There's something RADICALLY wrong with that picture.   Music is the love of my life and my vocation, but it's also my livelihood, much the same as a priest or minister (yes, I know, Mormons have no paid clergy either ... though I presume the hierarchy and the Tabernacle musicians in Salt Lake don't have to hold secular jobs).   Scripture also tells us that "the laborer is worthy of his hire," the church musician no less so than the farm worker.   I don't pay too much attention to churches (and this ISN'T directed at the Mormons, by the way) who preach social justice and walk picket lines for this or that cause, while at the same time paying their clergy and musicians starvation wages.   > > > (2) In recent years, Salt Lake has set a cap on the amount a local > > church may spend on an organ, which ipso facto means that unless they > > want a 3-4 rank unit organ, they WILL have an electronic substitute. > > In a rapidly growing church such as ours, some element of control must = be > placed in order to keep spending from going out of control. For the cost = of > one pipe organ, an entire church building could be built in South = America. > At the church's present rate of growth, many more meetinghouses will be > needed, which justifiably take precedence over pipe organs.   OK, a difference of perspective.   A pipe organ is almost ESSENTIAL to our worship. Anglicans probably have a higher percentage of pipe organs than any other denomination.   Our brand-new building is also bursting at the seams ... the interim church (which eventuall will be the Parish Hall) was supposed to serve us for 15-20 years according to projections; it will be totally overwhelmed in 5-7 years, even with Saturday night Mass(es), Sunday Mass virtually every hour on the hour, and Sunday evening Mass(es), even allowing for a slowing of the initial explosive growth rate after we moved into the new builder.   Nevertheless, even though the Building Committee began meeting again almost IMMEDIATELY, and the capital campaign to build the main church will commence very shortly, we are building a pipe organ for the interim church. Well, HALF of a pipe organ (grin). 20 stops now, 25 stops later, when the organ is moved to the main church and finished.   I hasten to point out that all this has been done WITHOUT shorting our Outreach (missions and charitable giving) budget, which amounts to 1/6 of our TOTAL budget, well OVER the 10% required by the diocese.   > > If the congregations associated with a new church building want a pipe > organ, which usually happens when they have one or more people who can > really play a pipe organ, then they can pool their money (coupled with > whatever is budgeted by Salt Lake City) and get a pipe organ. Two = excellent > (but not recent) examples of this happening are at LDS meetinghouses in > Eugene, Oregon and Belmont, Massachusetts.   OK. I was given to understand that they could NOT spend the money for a pipe organ, even if they HAD it.   > > > (3) Organs for Mormon churches must be small enough and simple enough > > for a large number of volunteer pianists-turned-organists <SNIP> To = this > > end, several electronic manufacturers have brought out special "Mormon > > models" for the use of Mormon churches. > > No, there's no mandate stating that organs must be simplified. For the = last > decade and a half, the church has contracted with both Rodgers and = Allen, > both of which produce two models specifically for use in LDS church > buildings, and they are more than adequate for most organists. Yes, a = lot of > people who serve as organists aren't necessarily trained, but usually = they > get the job done. (The people teaching Sunday School or assisting in the > library aren't necessarily trained, either, but they do just fine.)   Hmmm ... our teachers have to be certified. We are of the opinion that Religious Education is sufficiently important that we PAY professional Religious Ed teachers if certifiable volunteers cannot be found. Our heads of Children's Ministry and Youth Ministry are paid staff members. They were the first paid staff positions added after the Rector, Parish Secretary and the Choirmaster and Organist.   > > > A Mormon friend of mine who was involved in Mormon choral music at the > > local level often lamented to me that he couldn't bring the repertoire > > and expertise of his choir up to the level of the local Methodists = (!), > > and that even the lowest-common-denominator general protestant anthem > > repertoire was quite beyond them; nor did they LIKE it, OR want to = SING > > it. > > It's not appropriate to paint all LDS church choirs with the same brush, > just as you wouldn't form an opinion of all Catholic choirs based on = hearing > the performance of only one. For instance, I was just mentioning to Dan > Gawthrop that I direct an LDS choir of 30 committed voices, and very = high > talent. They sing at least twice per month, all sorts of repertoire > (including Advent stuff at Christmas, and even some Good Friday and = Lenten > music), and do major programs for Christmas, Easter and Mother's Day. = Once > per year we host a choral summit of sorts, where other church choirs = from > the city come and present their stuff, and then we get together to do = four > or five numbers together at the end.   No, of course not. I was speaking specifically of San Diego and environs.   > > I would suggest your friend ought to look first at his or her abilities = as a > choir director before blaming the choir for not being up to par.   Sorry, no. That wasn't the problem. He was an excellent musician, an excellent singer, and had a most engaging personality. He sang with my Schola Cantorum and the South Bay Bachfestchor. Though he himself was Mormon, eventually he took a conducting job in a Lutheran church. As far as I could determine, he had little or no support from church authorities, to start with; in addition, the musical expectations and taste of the suburban stake where he was working were very low.   > > > I'm in Southern California; perhaps things are different in other = parts > > of the country; but from the occasional discussions with Mormon > > musicians online, it would seem that the above is pretty = representative > > of Mormon church music at the LOCAL level. > > It's all about perception. Sure, I could probably get hired at any other > church in the city as an organist/choral director just based on the > reputation my church choir has earned, but frankly, I wouldn't do things = any > other way.   A colleague working in the Church of England HAS made the point that being unpaid DOES give one a certain FREEDOM (chuckle). But the general level of "amateur" expertise across the pond is MUCH higher.   My six years at my present post have not been all sweetness and light, as members of this list well-know (grin) ... there HAVE been times when I felt REALLY trapped because I'm too old and too disabled to go looking for another job (though that doesn't prevent me from doing THIS one ... it's 90% choirmaster and 10% organist; I have my office at home so I can rest when I need to), simply because it IS my only source of income.   But I don't think that's an argument FOR unpaid church musicians ... rather, it's an argument for a STRONGER American Guild of Organists and STRONGER denominational standards, and, in our case, repeal of the positively DRACONIAN medieval canon law which states that ALL parish employees serve "at the rector's pleasure," which means he can hire and fire AT WILL without cause. At least in SOME cases, the courts HAVE intervened, though the general posture of the legal system has been to avoid cases involving canon law.   All of which brings us back to this:   IF church musicians AREN'T paid, then who's going to go INTO church music?   WHERE is the next generation of church musicians going to COME from?   Piano and organ lessons cost MONEY; organ practice time costs MONEY, unless one has a church job as a student, or can afford a practice organ at home; a college degree costs MONEY; MUSIC is HORRENDOUSLY expensive these days ... the Tournemire L'Orgue Mystique is up to more than $25 U.S. PER FOLIO (five pieces per folio; 51 folios in the set, I believe). UNLESS one has SOME hope of at least BREAKING EVEN on one's investment of time and money, why bother? One faces a life of genteel poverty at best, unless one is independently wealthy (I am NOT).   Nor do I think it is realistic OR just to ask church musicians to work 40 hours a week at a secular job AND run a church music program. I'm full-time at my parish; I probably work closer to 60 hours a week at my church job, and I have the responsibility for THREE services a week and ONE choir rehearsal. The rest is composing, arranging, administrative, secretarial, research, etc. etc. etc. ... just maintaining the LIBRARY in a liturgical church is an ENORMOUS task, and, since St. Matthew's is a new PARISH, I had to build the library from SCRATCH.   I couldn't have done ANY of that if I was working 40 hours a week elsewhere ... not and put on the kind of music program they want. They hired me full-time BEFORE they had a church BUILDING (!) ... THAT'S how committed they are to the music.   Admittedly, it's a different world. We're a high Anglican church with a very "cathedral" outlook ... the sung services are to be maintained, no matter the cost or amount of effort involved.   We will do about twelve hours of singing from Palm Sunday through Easter Day, NOT COUNTING rehearsals. My budget for extra SINGERS for that week is $4100. I will only see home to eat and sleep for eight days running (chuckle). I simply couldn't DO that if I had to earn a living elsewhere.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music (a personal view, long) From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:56:29 -0800 (PST)   First a disclaimer. I was raised in the LDS church but no longer consider myself to be a member. In the church venacular, I would be considered a "Jack Mormon".   You are correct on counts 1 & 2.   #3 may not be "planned" that way, but is effectively true given budgetary considerations. Many of the ward organists I've known write down their "registrations" by the offset of the tongue tabs, i.e. Great: #1,3,5 which may actually be 8' Principal, 4' Octave, 4' Gemshorn. They may actually never be taught or come to understand the 4 families of tone, the concept of a principal chorus, or ever use the mixtures, trumpet, oboe, mutants, or cornet voices on the standard model during the tenure of their "calling".   The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) is a lay church. At the local level (branches, wards, and stakes) all duties, and clergy work, are volunteered by the local members thru "callings", which last for an indefinite term. All else being equal, and not to slight any other sect, while the service may not have the same features of other denominations, you can be sure that none of the participants and clergy present there enjoys any direct financial gain from their work. It is just how the LDS church works.   The church treats the offerings and tithes collected from the members very seriously, and endeavor to show good stewardship with the funds collected. It is the Lords money.   The primary focus is to spread the word and provide for the needs of the church. So the church has used standards and economies of scale to get the most out of all funds collected. Consequently you'll find that a new church building built in Goshen, Utah, or Paducah, Kentucky look and are equipped similarly, down to the compliment of instruments, usually a grand piano and a 2 manual electronic organ.   There are exceptions: I know that a Bigelow instrument was installed in one of the churches in Provo. I also seem to recall a modest Schoenstein being installed in an LDS stake house in (Palo Alto?) the Bay Area in the late eighties on the cover of "The Organist", and I know one ward house in San Antonio that has a Wicks.   In all these cases, I believe the congregations have had to "bend the rules" for these miraculous exceptions to occur. Don't forget that a real winded instrument has maintenance work that needs to occur, as well as care for climatization. At one point in the early eighties many LDS chapels were built without windows and with (IMHO ghastly and evil) fluorescent lighting inside in order to economize on fuel and utility bills!   Can you imagine the discussions that would ensue to have folks understand that you should take care not to subject the pipe organ to the vagaries and whims of mother nature lest you need to call the tuner once a month?   On the other hand, my ward was blessed with a wonderful organist whose inspired and inspiring playing planted the seeds of my love for this instrument and its repertoire. She did this by playing of all things a free harmonization for the last verse of a hymn one Sunday, a highly unconventional thing to do. A few Sundays of this changed and enriched my life for the better!   Both BYU and Ricks college have fine music programs, with dedicated and talented faculty (I think most of the Tabernacle Organists are professors at BYU), and many devoted and committed students that are trying to multiply their talents. These are institutions owned and operated by the LDS church.   Its an interesting dichotomy: this is a church that can appreciate and cherish fine music in the service worship. Certainly the ethics of the church is in step with "Soli Deo Gloria." Yet the focus of the weekly worship service is "the word", and the minimal investment, however understandable, doesn't have enough critical mass (pun not intended) to lead to a worship service that touches souls via other channels of the spirit, such as music.   Regards,   -Bill     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been told the > following by > Mormon friends, and also by organ-builders who have built for > Mormon > churches: > > (1) Mormon musicians are NEVER paid (presumably with the > exception of > the Tabernacle). > > (2) In recent years, Salt Lake has set a cap on the amount a > local > church may spend on an organ, which ipso facto means that > unless they > want a 3-4 rank unit organ, they WILL have an electronic > substitute. > > (3) Organs for Mormon churches must be small enough and > simple enough > for a large number of volunteer pianists-turned-organists to > find their > way around on them, since every ward has its own musicians, > and several > wards meet in the same church (stake-house?) at different > times. To this > end, several electronic manufacturers have brought out > special "Mormon > models" for the use of Mormon churches. > > A Mormon friend of mine who was involved in Mormon choral > music at the > local level often lamented to me that he couldn't bring the > repertoire > and expertise of his choir up to the level of the local > Methodists (!), > and that even the lowest-common-denominator general > protestant anthem > repertoire was quite beyond them; nor did they LIKE it, OR > want to SING > it. > > I'm in Southern California; perhaps things are different in > other parts > of the country; but from the occasional discussions with > Mormon > musicians online, it would seem that the above is pretty > representative > of Mormon church music at the LOCAL level. > > Given that (if indeed it's true), the building of yet ANOTHER > huge organ > in Salt Lake City is something of a puzzlement, unless I > REALLY don't > understand the relationship between what goes on musically in > Salt Lake > and what goes on musically in the local church. The two seem > rather > disconnected to an outsider. > > The original request that started this thread was for > churches in Salt > Lake where one could hear "high-church" music IN THE CONTEXT > OF THE > EUCHARIST, (and see traditional anglo-catholic ceremonial, I > believe). > With respect, neither the Tabernacle nor the Tabernacle Choir > qualify on > THOSE counts, which says NOTHING about the level of expertise > of the > choir OR the repertoire sung there in a NON-liturgical > setting. As far > as I know, beyond a few prayer responses, there IS no > liturgical music > in the Mormon Church as a Roman Catholic, Anglican, or > Lutheran would > understand the term "liturgical music", i.e. settings of the > Ordinary > and Proper of the Eucharist. > > Apropos of nothing in particular, there's a brand-new Mormon > stake-house > across the street from St. Matthew's, and they recently broke > ground for > a new temple next door to that. The zoning board gave an > exception for > them to have a 90-foot spire; St. Matthew's IMMEDIATELY > applied for the > same exception for our main church, which will be built > shortly > (chuckle). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:27:51 -0700     While this thread on Mormon Music is going on I would like to ask a question in all seriousness.   I have recently been told two different things about current practice in Mormon services. One source says that so-called "Contemporary Christian Music" with all that that implies (praise team, projector, screen, trap set, etc.) is not being done.   Another source says that it is. Perhaps this is simply a matter of local practice, but the first source seemed to be saying that it is not done anywhere.   Can someone, perhaps in Salt Lake City, provide a definitive answer?   Thanks   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: RE: The Mormons, Organ-Building, and Music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:22:37 -0600   Thanks, Bud. I did not intend the inquiry to degenerate into a MoTab bashing. I was looking for an Episcopal church in SLC on the high side liturgically at which to worship - that's all. I very much look forward to experiencing the Mormon Choir and their organs during my stay.   Thanks for the relevant replies - they were helpful, and I'm all set to go. I still didn't get a concrete recommendation for a church in the Arizona/Utah border national parks conglomerate region - perhaps there are none. Thanks, Malcolm, for the list.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com      
(back) Subject: Tried-and-True OHS players in OHS 2003 From: "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 14:49:21 -0500   Dear Friends,   Someone asked about organists at the 2003 OHS convention who have = become sorta known as "standard" OHS players or at least who have played prior = OHS conventions and whom I've not named in my several earlier posts. I'm more than thrilled to share news of them with you, given that they're such good players and sensitive to the organs they'll be playing:   in alpabetical order:   Agnes Armstrong: known to virtually all of us, esp. an an expert in the French 19 & 20th century music, composers, and instruments. She'll play = the Hook & Hastings in the chapel at Linden Hall School for Girls on Moravian Church Square in Littiz, another style of instrument she knows so well.   Thomas Bailey: Tom will play the late 1890's Samuel Bohler at New Schaefferstown which was restored specifically in time for this = convention. Tom holds out in NYC area these days, including in the AGO offices.   Mary Ann Balduf: it just wouldn't be complete without Mary Ann; well, = you know what I mean. She's a past master with small, delicate instruments, = and we've lined her up with one of the most interesting, an 1850(?) Marklove = now in Botschaft ("Grubb's") Lutheran Church out in the middle of no-where in the hills of Snyder Co, near Selinsgrove. It's a real gem of an organ, = and Mary Ann drove the whole way from Michigan to see/play it before deciding = on her program.   Roberrt Barney: Boston musician and prior OHS players; he'll play the smaller Tannenberg in the Brothers House on Moravian Chruch Square, = Lititz. The organ is especially delicate and in a room seating abouot 80, and = we've accomodated the schedule for make the demonstration of this valuable instrument work out. I still recall the 1876 OHS convention with Gerhard (?) Klais exuding over this instrument.   Michael Britt: wonderful player from Baltimore, Michael has caused a new work to be born, of which he'll play the world premier on a Felgemacker = atg St. Paul's United Methodist Church in Danville.   Mark Brombaugh: long-time OHS-er and professional in the organ-playing, organ-teaching, and organ design field; now in New Haven CT. He'll play = the Conrad Doll of 1807 in Peace Church, just west of Harrisburg, an organ = Mark knows well.   Ken Cowan: Ken will play the large Steinmeyer in the Catholic cathedral = in Altoona, restored some years ago by Columbia Organ Works. Ken needs no introduction to ANYONE, eh? He's now taken a position on the Westminster Choir College faculty, as well as playing at St. Bartholomew's Chruch, = NYC.   James Darling: again known to virtually all of us; he'll return to the restored Tannenberg in the Brothers House on Moravian Church Square in Lititz as the opening recitalist of the first full day. Darling is at Bruton Parish Chruch, Williamsburg VA and an expert on organs such as the Tannenbergs. Indeed, he played the re-opening of this organ after its restoration by Jim McFarland.   Dr. David Dahl of Tacoma WA: David is a familiar and much-appreciated figure at OHS conventions. He's also the society's national councillor = for conventions. He'll play the Steere in St. John's Episcopal Chruch, Bellefonte, county seat of Centre Co PA, where Penn State U. is located, = and he's going to favor us with a work of his own, along with other goodies.   Justin Hartz: so well known for performances all over the palce, = including at Longwood Gardens; he'll play at St. James Presbyterian, west of Harrisburg, alternating audiences with Mark Brombaugh.   Dr. Walter Krueger: Walt was general chair of the Portland OR OHS convention some years back. He'll play the elegant little Joel Kantner instrument at Christ Church, Little Tulpehocken, another typical PA German organ. He'll include the Johann Gottfried Walther partita on "Jesu, meine Freude," with the audience hymn for his event being that chorale sung = stanza at a time between some of the variations. At least one of the stanzas = will use the harmonization and _Zwischenspielen_ from an organist's book = printed in Philadelphia in 1860. The Kantner could probably play the stuff from that book my itself, as these 1860 books were common all around that area = of Pennslvania.   Lois Regenstein: it just wouldn't be a compelte OHS convention without Lois, either, to whom we have handed the closing event on the Dieffenbach = at Friedens Lutheran Church in Shartlesville. She'll have the advantage of = an audience who just got fed a real PA Dutch super at Haag's Hotel in Shartlesville, and THAT IN ITSELF is worth the registration fee for the day!!   Bruce Stevens: Bruce needs no introduction! He's a long-time "standard" OHS-er, and by request he'll include a Rheinberger sonata movement along with other great stuff in hsi recital on the large three-manual Miller in Lebanon, a unique organ.   Peter Stoltzfus: now in California but formerly an assistant (in turn) = at Christ Church on the Green in New Haven and at St. Thomas chruch, NYC, and then for some years minister of music at Plymouth Church of the Pilgrims, Brooklyn NY. Peter grew up at the E. M. Skinner he'll play at Otterbein United Methodist, Lancaster, and it's a real homecoming for him. He has issued severfal CD via Joe Vittaco.   Erik Suter: has played OHS X times. He's now organist at Washington National Cathedral. Erik will be pre-convention opening recitalist at St. Paul the Apostle's Catholic Church in Annville PA on a Lane organ rebuilt and enlarged by convention committee member Ray Brunner. He needs no introduction, either, but I'll find it more than exciting to see/hear him = on a two-manual tracker after his more common experiences with much larger instruments. His CD on the rather new Fisk at Richmond VA is terrific, = and I'm sure this recital will be likewise. Erik has gone out of his way to = see the organ before selecting his repertoire, which includes Mendelssohn = Soanta 4.   I hope I've not forgot anyone! Apologies for any errors here.   Cordially, Karl E. Moyer Lasncaster PA  
(back) Subject: Organs to see/hear From: "William Miller" <Miltronix@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:19:23 -0500   Hi, all.   I'm in Norfolk VA during the week for a couple of months, and may be transferred there. Are there any "must see" pipe or electronic organs in = the Norfolk/Chesapeake/Va Beach VA area which I should definitely visit??   Any "leads" will be appreciated!   Bill Miller, Phila PA    
(back) Subject: Re: William Ferris at Holy Name Cathedral From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 16:08:47 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3132403727_4239242 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 4/4/03 10:36 PM, "RSiegel920@aol.com" <RSiegel920@aol.com> wrote:   > Ferris was awarded a papal knighthood in recognition of his work in = Catho=3D lic > Church music. Ferris died several years ago in the midst of conducting a > rehearsal of the Verdi Requiem. What a way to go.....   Oh, my, Dick! That=3DB9s an awesome report indeed. Even though I=3DB9m = an old midwesterner from 50 years ago, my acquaintance is long in the past, and full of serious holes. Thanks for helping to patch up one for me!   Alan   --B_3132403727_4239242 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: William Ferris at Holy Name Cathedral</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 4/4/03 10:36 PM, = &quot;RSiegel920@aol.com&q=3D uot; &lt;RSiegel920@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">Ferris was awarded a papal = knighthood=3D in recognition of his work in Catholic Church music. Ferris died several = ye=3D ars ago in the midst of conducting a rehearsal of the Verdi Requiem. = &nbsp;&=3D nbsp;What a way to go.....<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Oh, my, Dick! &nbsp;That&#8217;s an awesome report indeed. &nbsp;Even = thoug=3D h I&#8217;m an old midwesterner from 50 years ago, my acquaintance is long = i=3D n the past, and full of serious holes. &nbsp;Thanks for helping to patch = up =3D one for me!<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3132403727_4239242--