PipeChat Digest #3602 - Friday, April 11, 2003
 
Re: Copyright protection of sampled sounds
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Digitally Created Electronic Sounds
  by "Nichols, Joseph A." <JAN03@mhc.edu>
RE: Does anyone know?: Esther Cupps record
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Digitally Created Electronic Sounds
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Does anyone know?: Esther Cupps record
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
RE: Tried-and-True Karl Moyer, aka Marauder
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Copyright protection of sampled sounds
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
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(back) Subject: Re: Copyright protection of sampled sounds From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:15:59 -0700 (PDT)   Recently, someone suggested that a voicer's work be copyrighted. That would be like trying to copyright breathing.   As a voicer, I can tell you that any voicer who has reasonably good ability can take a pipe and copy the sound. I have done this many times when a pipe or some pipes were missing from a rank, and nobody could tell which were the replacements.   All this talk about "digital copies" of pipes gives me a big laugh. People tell me that certain electronic organs are digital copies of samples taken from real pipes. They sound like electronic organs to me and are nothing at all like the real thing.   Virgil Fox said it best when he said that "Finding organ pipes in an electronic organ factory is like finding birdshit in a cuckoo clock."   D. Keith Morgan   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Digitally Created Electronic Sounds From: "Nichols, Joseph A." <JAN03@mhc.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:21:57 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C30035.B57A8CDE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I have noticed the discussion of samples the last few days on the =3D message board. I do not understand why so many people prefer sampling in = =3D electronic instruments. On a side note, this is my opinion and I do not = =3D intend to offend anyone by what I am about to say. Samples, because they = =3D are recorded sound, do not reproduce an accurate "pipe" sound. It is not = =3D possible for the recording equipment, no matter how good it is, to =3D capture all of the harmonics of the pipe in the recording. Once it has =3D been recorded it may be altered even more before it is used in organs, =3D which would randomly omit more harmonics. And depending on what =3D amplification system is used, that also effects what harmonics might be = =3D accented, which could make the sample sound even less like the original = =3D pipe rank. The room in which the organ is installed also plays a roll in = =3D accenting certain harmonics, which could be to the advantage or =3D disadvantage of the sound of the organ. Samples do not provide the =3D voicer with near as much details as a pipe voicer would have, simply =3D because it is a recording and not much can be done to alter it except =3D for equalizer aspects. Samples also allow the organ builders to =3D mass-produce instrument models. A pipe organ company would have a =3D signature sound, such as Aeolian-Skinner, but every instrument would =3D have its OWN character. Not like a sampled mass-produced model that =3D might be installed at First Baptist Church, and First United Methodist, = =3D and the Presbyterian Church, maybe even the Lutheran Church. There is a = =3D system that exists that is capable of producing a more realistic tone =3D and creating individual instrument character. That system is Musicom and = =3D is used by organ builders such as Saville, Copeman-Hart, and Schantz. =3D The Musicom system is a pipe control system with capabilities of =3D producing electronic sounds. I am the son of the organist at First =3D Baptist Church Murphy, North Carolina, where we had an organ installed =3D in May 2002 that utilizes the Musicom system. It is comprised of 4 ranks = =3D of pipes and 79 digital ranks provided by the Musicom system. The =3D possibilities of voicing with the Musicom electronics are endless. This = =3D system provides 250 harmonic adjustments per note per stop. Not only can = =3D you create a true sound from voicing the harmonics, but you also have =3D the elements that give life to the speech of the pipe such as =3D articulation, wind sound, and pitch sag as you descend to lower notes of = =3D lower pitched ranks or when you have a full registration and the =3D reservoirs would sag a bit to compensate for many stops being on. The =3D organ companies that use Musicom can create a truly unique instrument =3D that is capable of playing any musical style. If you would like more =3D information on the Musicom system go to www.musicom-ltd.com or if you =3D would like a stop list or a recording of the 82 rank instrument at First = =3D Baptist Church in Murphy, North Carolina, e-mail me at jan03@mhc.edu   Thank You,=3D20   Anthony Nichols     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C30035.B57A8CDE Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META NAME=3D3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D3D"MS Exchange Server version =3D 6.0.6396.0"> <TITLE>Digitally Created Electronic Sounds</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->   <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>I have noticed the discussion of samples the last few = =3D days on the message board. I do not understand why so many people prefer = =3D sampling in electronic instruments. On a side note, this is my opinion =3D and I do not intend to offend anyone by what I am about to say. Samples, = =3D because they are recorded sound, do not reproduce an accurate =3D &quot;pipe&quot; sound. It is not possible for the recording equipment, = =3D no matter how good it is, to capture all of the harmonics of the pipe in = =3D the recording. Once it has been recorded it may be altered even more =3D before it is used in organs, which would randomly omit more harmonics. =3D And depending on what amplification system is used, that also effects =3D what harmonics might be accented, which could make the sample sound even = =3D less like the original pipe rank. The room in which the organ is =3D installed also plays a roll in accenting certain harmonics, which could = =3D be to the advantage or disadvantage of the sound of the organ. Samples =3D do not provide the voicer with near as much details as a pipe voicer =3D would have, simply because it is a recording and not much can be done to = =3D alter it except for equalizer aspects. Samples also allow the organ =3D builders to mass-produce instrument models. A pipe organ company would =3D have a signature sound, such as Aeolian-Skinner, but every instrument =3D would have its OWN character. Not like a sampled mass-produced model =3D that might be installed at First Baptist Church, and First United =3D Methodist, and the Presbyterian Church, maybe even the Lutheran Church. = =3D There is a system that exists that is capable of producing a more =3D realistic tone and creating individual instrument character. That system = =3D is Musicom and is used by organ builders such as Saville, Copeman-Hart, = =3D and Schantz. The Musicom system is a pipe control system with =3D capabilities of producing electronic sounds. I am the son of the =3D organist at First Baptist Church Murphy, North Carolina, where we had an = =3D organ installed in May 2002 that utilizes the Musicom system. It is =3D comprised of 4 ranks of pipes and 79 digital ranks provided by the =3D Musicom system. The possibilities of voicing with the Musicom =3D electronics are endless. This system provides 250 harmonic adjustments =3D per note per stop. Not only can you create a true sound from voicing the = =3D harmonics, but you also have the elements that give life to the speech =3D of the pipe such as articulation, wind sound, and pitch sag as you =3D descend to lower notes of lower pitched ranks or when you have a full =3D registration and the reservoirs would sag a bit to compensate for many =3D stops being on. The organ companies that use Musicom can create a truly = =3D unique instrument that is capable of playing any musical style. If you =3D would like more information on the Musicom system go to =3D www.musicom-ltd.com or if you would like a stop list or a recording of =3D the 82 rank instrument at First Baptist Church in Murphy, North =3D Carolina, e-mail me at jan03@mhc.edu<BR> <BR> Thank You,<BR> <BR> Anthony Nichols<BR> </FONT> </P>   </BODY> </HTML> ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C30035.B57A8CDE--  
(back) Subject: RE: Does anyone know?: Esther Cupps record From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:56:07 -0400   > I found an LP called Sacred Concert, an organ recital (Bach, Buxtehude, Alain, Langlais, Searle Wright) by Esther Cupps who seems to have been active in Baltimore. The record is undated, but probably dates from the mid-60s -- it's stereo, but was also available in mono. Unfortunately, the organ is unidentified   I just got the information from Esther.   She recorded this in 1966 at Capital Memorial Seventh-Day Adventist Church in Washington, D.C. The organ was a Schantz of approx. 21 ranks.    
(back) Subject: RE: Digitally Created Electronic Sounds From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:10:49 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0002_01C3001B.02374740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by marlo.eagle.ca id = h3BF3Hp93613   Reservoir sag with full registration on an electronic organ? This is supposed to be good? If that=3D92s good why not have the organ programmed = t=3D o have randomly selected reeds go wonky at any given time? You could also = h=3D ave the flues go sharp as it gets hotter in the Summer. You could even have tuners visit 3 to 4 times a year and get invoiced for their work.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Nichols, Joseph A. Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:22 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Digitally Created Electronic Sounds   I have noticed the discussion of samples the last few days on the message board. I do not understand why so many people prefer sampling in = electron=3D ic instruments. On a side note, this is my opinion and I do not intend to offend anyone by what I am about to say. Samples, because they are = record=3D ed sound, do not reproduce an accurate "pipe" sound. It is not possible for = =3D the recording equipment, no matter how good it is, to capture all of the harmonics of the pipe in the recording. Once it has been recorded it may = =3D be altered even more before it is used in organs, which would randomly omit more harmonics. And depending on what amplification system is used, that also effects what harmonics might be accented, which could make the = sampl=3D e sound even less like the original pipe rank. The room in which the organ = =3D is installed also plays a roll in accenting certain harmonics, which could = b=3D e to the advantage or disadvantage of the sound of the organ. Samples do = no=3D t provide the voicer with near as much details as a pipe voicer would have, simply because it is a recording and not much can be done to alter it = exc=3D ept for equalizer aspects. Samples also allow the organ builders to = mass-prod=3D uce instrument models. A pipe organ company would have a signature sound, = suc=3D h as Aeolian-Skinner, but every instrument would have its OWN character. = No=3D t like a sampled mass-produced model that might be installed at First = Bapti=3D st Church, and First United Methodist, and the Presbyterian Church, maybe = ev=3D en the Lutheran Church. There is a system that exists that is capable of producing a more realistic tone and creating individual instrument character. That system is Musicom and is used by organ builders such as Saville, Copeman-Hart, and Schantz. The Musicom system is a pipe control system with capabilities of producing electronic sounds. I am the son of = =3D the organist at First Baptist Church Murphy, North Carolina, where we had an organ installed in May 2002 that utilizes the Musicom system. It is comprised of 4 ranks of pipes and 79 digital ranks provided by the = Musico=3D m system. The possibilities of voicing with the Musicom electronics are endless. This system provides 250 harmonic adjustments per note per stop. Not only can you create a true sound from voicing the harmonics, but you also have the elements that give life to the speech of the pipe such as articulation, wind sound, and pitch sag as you descend to lower notes of lower pitched ranks or when you have a full registration and the = reservoi=3D rs would sag a bit to compensate for many stops being on. The organ = companie=3D s that use Musicom can create a truly unique instrument that is capable of playing any musical style. If you would like more information on the = Musi=3D com system go to www.musicom-ltd.com or if you would like a stop list or a recording of the 82 rank instrument at First Baptist Church in Murphy, = No=3D rth Carolina, e-mail me at jan03@mhc.edu   Thank You,   Anthony Nichols   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0002_01C3001B.02374740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <meta http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C3001B.01092780"> <title>Digitally Created Electronic Sounds</title> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p {margin-right:0in; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle16 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US style=3D3D'tab-interval:.5in'> <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Re= =3D servoir sag with full registration on an electronic organ? This is supposed to =3D be good? If that=3D92s good why not have the organ programmed to have randomly =3D selected reeds go wonky at any given time? You could also have the flues go sharp = =3D as it gets hotter in the Summer. You could even have tuners visit 3 to 4 times = =3D a year and get invoiced for their work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span class=3D3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!= =3D [if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Nichols, Joseph A.<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 11, = =3D 2003 10:22 AM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PipeChat<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Digitally =3D Created Electronic Sounds</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =3D !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack = face=3D3D"Times =3D New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I have noticed the discussion of = =3D samples the last few days on the message board. I do not understand why so many = =3D people prefer sampling in electronic instruments. On a side note, this is my =3D opinion and I do not intend to offend anyone by what I am about to say. Samples, because they are recorded sound, do not reproduce an accurate =3D &quot;pipe&quot; sound. It is not possible for the recording equipment, no matter how =3D good it is, to capture all of the harmonics of the pipe in the recording. Once =3D it has been recorded it may be altered even more before it is used in organs, =3D which would randomly omit more harmonics. And depending on what amplification = =3D system is used, that also effects what harmonics might be accented, which could = =3D make the sample sound even less like the original pipe rank. The room in =3D which the organ is installed also plays a roll in accenting certain harmonics, =3D which could be to the advantage or disadvantage of the sound of the organ. =3D Samples do not provide the voicer with near as much details as a pipe voicer would = =3D have, simply because it is a recording and not much can be done to alter it =3D except for equalizer aspects. Samples also allow the organ builders to =3D mass-produce instrument models. A pipe organ company would have a signature sound, =3D such as Aeolian-Skinner, but every instrument would have its OWN character. Not = =3D like a sampled mass-produced model that might be installed at First Baptist =3D Church, and First United Methodist, and the Presbyterian Church, maybe even the Lutheran Church. There is a system that exists that is capable of =3D producing a more realistic tone and creating individual instrument character. That =3D system is Musicom and is used by organ builders such as Saville, Copeman-Hart, = =3D and Schantz. The Musicom system is a pipe control system with capabilities =3D of producing electronic sounds. I am the son of the organist at First =3D Baptist Church Murphy, North Carolina, where we had an organ installed in May =3D 2002 that utilizes the Musicom system. It is comprised of 4 ranks of pipes and 79 = =3D digital ranks provided by the Musicom system. The possibilities of voicing with = =3D the Musicom electronics are endless. This system provides 250 harmonic =3D adjustments per note per stop. Not only can you create a true sound from voicing the harmonics, but you also have the elements that give life to the speech =3D of the pipe such as articulation, wind sound, and pitch sag as you descend to =3D lower notes of lower pitched ranks or when you have a full registration and =3D the reservoirs would sag a bit to compensate for many stops being on. The =3D organ companies that use Musicom can create a truly unique instrument that is = =3D capable of playing any musical style. If you would like more information on the = =3D Musicom system go to www.musicom-ltd.com or if you would like a stop list or a recording of the 82 rank instrument at First Baptist Church in Murphy, =3D North Carolina, e-mail me at jan03@mhc.edu<br> <br> Thank You,<br> <br> Anthony Nichols</span></font><font color=3D3Dblack><span =3D style=3D3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0002_01C3001B.02374740--    
(back) Subject: Re: Does anyone know?: Esther Cupps record From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:16:37 -0700   Dear Paul,   Thanks! (And so much for my thinking that it sounded Holtkampesque...)   Re St. Clements: Jonathan Ambrosino is ex-pres of OHS, and a well-known Skinner maven. SOme years ago he published an irregular periodical called The Erz=E4hler: Journal of the Symphonic Organ Society that was a model of intelligence and literacy.   All best,   Michael   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: RE: Does anyone know?: Esther Cupps record     > > I found an LP called Sacred Concert, an organ recital (Bach, = Buxtehude, > Alain, Langlais, Searle Wright) by Esther Cupps who seems to have been > active in Baltimore. The record is undated, but probably dates from the > mid-60s -- it's stereo, but was also available in mono. Unfortunately, = the > organ is > unidentified > > I just got the information from Esther. > > She recorded this in 1966 at Capital Memorial Seventh-Day Adventist = Church > in Washington, D.C. The organ was a Schantz > of approx. 21 ranks. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Tried-and-True Karl Moyer, aka Marauder From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:52:12 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C30029.2CB64DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Lee! It's Andy aka Onaip3. Haven't talked to you since I left AOL and wanted say hi. This is my e-mail adress. Hope all is going well. I = still have AIM as ONaip3, so you may see me on that. Hope to talk to you soon.   andy -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Chicaleee@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:40 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Tried-and-True Karl Moyer, aka Marauder     Sand, what's your secret of longevity? Lee   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C30029.2CB64DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D265475016-11042003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Hi=3D20 Lee!&nbsp; It's Andy aka Onaip3.&nbsp; Haven't&nbsp;talked to =3D you&nbsp;since I=3D20 left AOL and wanted say hi.&nbsp; This is my e-mail adress.&nbsp; Hope =3D all is=3D20 going well.&nbsp; I still have AIM as ONaip3, so you may see me on =3D that.&nbsp;=3D20 Hope to talk to you soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D265475016-11042003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D265475016-11042003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Chicaleee@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 09, 2003 = 1:40=3D20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =3D Tried-and-True=3D20 Karl Moyer, aka Marauder<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT =3D face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#400040 size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Sand, what's your=3D20 secret of longevity?&nbsp; Lee</FONT> =3D </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C30029.2CB64DF0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Copyright protection of sampled sounds From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:45:40 -0500   Several of you have contacted me privately to politely inform me that the poem I paraphrased was of Gertrude Stein, not Alice B. Tolkas. While I appreciate your thoughtfulness, I must insist that you are all mistaken.   While Stein is credited with the poem, its inspiration was actually from an incident which occurred in Paris with her buddy Alice. Here is what REALLY happened;   Alice, upon being presented with her very first Swiss Army Knife exclaimed to her partner, "Look, Gertie!" (or was it "Yo, Gertie!") (or was it" Eureka!") (No, I think it was "Look, Gertie!")   "Look, Gertie!; a knife, is a can-opener, is a corkscrew!"   Whereupon Stine, always the astute businessperson, latched on to the phrase and it became "a rose, is a rose, is a rose." She then had the good sense to copyright it and threaten dire consequences to anyone who infringed, even though her copy lacked the originals meaning, intent and clarity. The rest is history.   There is a lesson here somewhere.     On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 04:00 AM, Larry Wheelock wrote:   > > Well, forgive me, but to paraphrase Alice B. Tolkas -- a copy is a copy > is a copy. >    
(back) Subject: I apologize - Kilgen 4/14 TO is safe From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:23:50 -0400   Greetings all, I just received a polite, yet terse letter from the owner of the WFIL = Kilgen 4/14 theatre organ.   It is NOT FOR SALE.   It is SAFE and NOT HEADED FOR THE DUMP.   Situation leading to my postings:   My employer received a letter from someone who laid out the situation I = mentioned in a two page letter. Apparently the person had looked in the = Yellow Pages to find the names of organ companies who might be interested = in preventing the organ from being trashed. On that two-page letter was = stapled a business card with Kevin Collopy's name, and phone numbers on = it. The letter relayed the urgency that the organ might soon be sent to = the dump.   Taking the letter at face value, and hoping to prevent a senseless = trashing of a fine organ, I sent the information on to those whom I knew = would most likely be able to save it, namely you folks on the chatlines. = Fortunately, the owner (whose name was never mentioned in the original = letter) saw the listing, and contacted me to stop mentioning the "sale" of = the organ.   Folks, the Kilgen organ is NOT FOR SALE. I wash my hands of trying to save = any future pipe organ unless the demise of the instrument is stated = clearly over the owners' notarized name, and the original letter is in my = hands.          
(back) Subject: WFIL Kilgen 4/14 NOT FOR SALE-is SAFE 2nd notice From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:33:07 -0400   Greetings all, I just received a polite, yet terse letter from the owner of the WFIL = Kilgen 4/14 theatre organ.   It is NOT FOR SALE.   It is SAFE and NOT HEADED FOR THE DUMP.   Situation leading to my postings:   My employer received a letter from someone who laid out the situation I = mentioned in a two page letter. Apparently the person had looked in the = Yellow Pages to find the names of organ companies who might be interested = in preventing the organ from being trashed. On that two-page letter was = stapled a business card with Kevin Collopy's name, and phone numbers on = it. The letter relayed the urgency that the organ might soon be sent to = the dump.   Taking the letter at face value, and hoping to prevent a senseless = trashing of a fine organ, I sent the information on to those whom I knew = would most likely be able to save it, namely you folks on the chatlines. = Fortunately, the owner (whose name was never mentioned in the original = letter) saw the listing, and contacted me to stop mentioning the "sale" of = the organ.   Folks, the Kilgen organ is NOT FOR SALE. I wash my hands of trying to save = any future pipe organ unless the demise of the instrument is stated = clearly over the owners' notarized name, and the original letter is in my = hands.   Regretfully, Stan Krider