PipeChat Digest #3627 - Friday, April 25, 2003
 
RE: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question.
  by "Larry Grandstaff" <grandstl@FARO.com>
RE: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Thin Bach and Incomplete Bach
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto.
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: Thin Bach and Incomplete Bach
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto.
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: SARs in Toronto.
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto.
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: 1974 Moller Console-to- Chest Wiring Question...
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question. - reply
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: SARs in Toronto.
  by "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.
  by "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: RE: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question. From: "Larry Grandstaff" <grandstl@FARO.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:47:53 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C30B5B.2DACBA90 Content-Type: text/plain   Hi Matt, I can tell you how I moved my Moller console from the church to my home without getting the wiring messed up. I disconnected each wire from the terminal board in the back of the = console and placed three colored beads from the hobby story on each wire and then placed a knot in the wire to prevent the beads from coming off. The three beads repesented the colors used in the resistor code to mark = each wire. black, black, brown =3D 001 etc. Got every wire back on the console without any trouble. Regards, Larry G.   -----Original Message----- From: Mattcinnj [mailto:mattcinnj@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:41 PM To: eorg-l@pipechat.org; PipeChat; piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu Subject: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question.     Hi All, Hoping someone can explain how it is possible to move a console, when all the wiring SEEMS to be directly connected, one wire per pipe to the keyboards. I know that all organs are erected and tested in the builder's     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C30B5B.2DACBA90 Content-Type: text/html   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Hi Matt,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I can tell you how I moved my Moller console from the church to my home without getting the wiring messed up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I disconnected each wire from the terminal board in the back of the console = and placed three colored beads from the hobby story&nbsp;on each wire and then =   placed a knot in the wire to prevent the beads from coming off.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>The three beads repesented the colors used in the resistor code to mark each wire.&nbsp; black, black, brown =3D 001 etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Got every wire back on the console without any trouble.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D688064118-25042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Larry G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Mattcinnj [mailto:mattcinnj@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25, 2003 2:41 =   PM<BR><B>To:</B> eorg-l@pipechat.org; PipeChat; piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> 1974 Vintage Moeller = Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Hi All,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Hoping someone can explain how it is possible to move a console, = when all the wiring SEEMS to be directly connected, one wire per pipe to the = keyboards. I know that all organs are erected and tested in the builder's </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C30B5B.2DACBA90--  
(back) Subject: RE: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:57:41 -0400   At 02:28 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Arie wrote: > >If Mr. Mead is that paranoid about SARS on pipes, let him "disinfect" = them >in L. Ontario. If they "disintegrate", then I can come in and sell a = "SARS >FREE" electronic organ. <LOL> > >Arie V. > > >Arie: I understand your business is located in Markham, Ontario, but as I >recall, I think you'd be in Toronto if you took a 5 minute walk south. >Are you sure your products are in fact SARs -free? Can you verify this = for >your clientele? >Nervous in Port Hope. >AjM   Andrew,   At least my pipes will be "SARS FREE", as there aren't any. The rest of the organ, well I can have it "baptized" in the lake. The only thing negative about this is, that my instruments may play nothing else but "water music".   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Thin Bach and Incomplete Bach From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:01:05 -0500           Colin, I'm assuming your'e writing about Bach's BWV 573. Interestingly,= I visited a site about a week ago to print out a free copy, thinking I mi= ght dabble with the work. But I couldn't get it to print. It times out and gives me an error message. Here's the site:   http://www.bh2000.net/score/orgbach/   I did a bit of Googling, and it appears that W. Stockmeier has, indeed,=   completed it, if that is what the German word "erg=E4nzt" means.   Bob Lind         I came across a handwritten manuscript in my own fair hand. It reminded me that, at some point in the past, I began to finish off the unfinished Fantasia in C major.   Not wishing to boast or anything, what I had achieved has stood the test of time; but I recall that it was a painfully slow process attempting to be Bach and second guessing his intentions for what is, in reality, a concertante movement....without any clue as to the secondary thematic material.   Now, I seem to have done a good enough job of it thus far.......we are at about four pages of small score writing....I write music very small, which saves paper. If I were to get motivated again, would it be worth the effort?   I wonder if any of our resident intellectuals might know how many people have "finished" this work, but more importantly, are their efforts any good?     Colin Mitchell UK =      
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:12:59 -0700   One of my suppliers is located just outside Toronto, so I asked them about SARS. Seems like it's not as big as WHO makes it sound. And when you = look at the numbers -- less than 5,000 cases world wide, less than 300 deaths worldwide -- I don't think this qualifies as pandemic, epidemic, or any other kind of -demic. My supplier indicated that some Canadians seem to think that the WHO is being controlled by the U.S., and is using this = SARS "epidemic" as a way to punish Canada for not supporting the Coalition in Iraq (given the economic effect of the WHO pronouncements).   D    
(back) Subject: Re: Thin Bach and Incomplete Bach From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT)   FWIW-   The translation tool on Google reports erganzt (with umlaut) tranlates to "supplemented".   Happy Friday everyone!   -Bill   --- lindr@cch.com wrote: > > > > > Colin, I'm assuming your'e writing about Bach's BWV 573. > Interestingly, I > visited a site about a week ago to print out a free copy, > thinking I might > dabble with the work. But I couldn't get it to print. It > times out and > gives me an error message. Here's the site: > > http://www.bh2000.net/score/orgbach/ > > I did a bit of Googling, and it appears that W. Stockmeier > has, indeed, > completed it, if that is what the German word "erg=E4nzt" > means. > > Bob Lind > > > > > I came across a handwritten manuscript in my own fair hand. > It reminded me that, at some point in the past, I > began to finish off the unfinished Fantasia in C > major. > > Not wishing to boast or anything, what I had achieved > has stood the test of time; but I recall that it was a > painfully slow process attempting to be Bach and > second guessing his intentions for what is, in > reality, a concertante movement....without any clue as > to the secondary thematic material. > > Now, I seem to have done a good enough job of it thus > far.......we are at about four pages of small score > writing....I write music very small, which saves > paper. If I were to get motivated again, would it be > worth the effort? > > I wonder if any of our resident intellectuals might > know how many people have "finished" this work, but > more importantly, are their efforts any good? > > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:28:06 -0300   Come right down to it, I think that you will find that just as many = people die in a given year with the regular flu season. Danielwh way down South Southern Nova Scotia that is!!!    
(back) Subject: RE: SARs in Toronto. From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:00:49 -0400   Dennis,   You are absolutely correct. I have a parishoner in my church that works = for the public health department and he says all of these "epidemics" are not anywhere near as bad as the WHO and media makes them out to be. This goes for SARS, West Nile Virus,Anthrax,Hoof and mouth disease, Ebola, ect. I have asked him about all of these and he always says that it is no big = deal and that the media blows it out of proprotion.   Andrew Meagher   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Goward Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 3:13 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto.     One of my suppliers is located just outside Toronto, so I asked them about SARS. Seems like it's not as big as WHO makes it sound. And when you = look at the numbers -- less than 5,000 cases world wide, less than 300 deaths worldwide -- I don't think this qualifies as pandemic, epidemic, or any other kind of -demic. My supplier indicated that some Canadians seem to think that the WHO is being controlled by the U.S., and is using this = SARS "epidemic" as a way to punish Canada for not supporting the Coalition in Iraq (given the economic effect of the WHO pronouncements).   D     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:09:32 -0400   At 12:12 PM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: >One of my suppliers is located just outside Toronto, so I asked them = about >SARS. Seems like it's not as big as WHO makes it sound. And when you = look >at the numbers -- less than 5,000 cases world wide, less than 300 deaths >worldwide -- I don't think this qualifies as pandemic, epidemic, or any >other kind of -demic. My supplier indicated that some Canadians seem to >think that the WHO is being controlled by the U.S., and is using this = SARS >"epidemic" as a way to punish Canada for not supporting the Coalition in >Iraq (given the economic effect of the WHO pronouncements). > >D   Dennis,   The idiots at WHO, should have put out a travel advisory 3 weeks ago, when =   the problem was much more real. There have hardly been any new infections =   in the last week, so why now? Also Singapore has at least the same = problem as Toronto, but it was not mentioned in the advisory.   The problem with SARS, is that it is new, spreads like crazy, and can kill. There is at this time no anti-dote for this desease. Business is way, as in WAY DOWN. I live near the infected area, and also near the largest Asian Mall in North America. People traffic is down to almost zero. Businesses in that mall report business down 90 to 95%. In the = rest of Toronto business, at restaurants is down at least 45% everywhere. = Hotel business is way down already, Air Canada's remaining profitable route (to Hong Kong) is now a bust as well.   Toronto has been hit hard, but I'm sure the city and it's folks will = bounce back.   BTW, at this point what health authorities are trying to do is contain the =   disease, in other words slow it down so that in time they can come up with =   a vaccine. It is expected that SARS is going to go round the globe.   Regards,   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:58:17 EDT   Disinfection is NOT necessary, HOWEVER:   Do not have intimate relations with any pipes, especially the reeds. Do not eat food that has been touched by the pipes. Do not share your toothbrush with any organ pipes. If your Rohrschalmei sneezes on you, or your Diaphone has a fever over 104 degrees, contact a physician.  
(back) Subject: Re: 1974 Moller Console-to- Chest Wiring Question... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:07:23 EDT   Dear matt: Cable splicing can be carried out by any competent pipe organ builder; = if you want the console to movable in the future, a qualified organbuilder = can give you a longer cable, or plug-in connectors. Unit or extension organs of most earlier eras were hard-wired, and = must be carefully cut, wired to spreaders on plug-in connectors, and tested. = Those in the industry know the materials and types of connectors, so if your present organ curator does not know how to do this, find one who has = carried out the operation in the past.   Sebastian M. Gluck Tonal Director Gluck New York, Inc. Pipe Organ Restorers and Builders (212) 608-5651  
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:07:25 -0500   Sebastian is really on a role today........... You should start a cartoon series of animated organ pipes and the things people should and shouldn't do to them. Im sure Fox would pick it up..........   -Daryl     ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes.     > Disinfection is NOT necessary, HOWEVER: > > Do not have intimate relations with any pipes, especially the reeds. > Do not eat food that has been touched by the pipes. > Do not share your toothbrush with any organ pipes. > If your Rohrschalmei sneezes on you, > or your Diaphone has a fever over 104 degrees, > contact a physician. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:16:28 -0400   At 04:58 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Disinfection is NOT necessary, HOWEVER: > >Do not have intimate relations with any pipes, especially the reeds. >Do not eat food that has been touched by the pipes. >Do not share your toothbrush with any organ pipes. >If your Rohrschalmei sneezes on you, >or your Diaphone has a fever over 104 degrees, >contact a physician.   Hi,   Thats right. Practise "SAFE SARS"   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question. - reply From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:19:20 EDT     --part1_6.f94295f.2bdb0058_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/25/2003 2:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes:     > There is no way that those hundreds and hundreds of connections were = (are) > made during installation time, but a quick look at the cables in the > console doesn't show how one can simply do some unplugging at either the =   > console or windchest locations when it is necessary to move either. The > organ in question is only a 3.5 rank unit organ. > > We've all heard how pipe organs become unplayable when the "cable" is > simply cut ... so how does one go about moving an organ such as this to = a > new location ????? > >   Sorry to disagree, but the wiring time from the console to the junctions inside the Artiste case would take less than 2 8 hour days for two men who =   have any experience at all in this sort of work. I have moved several = Artiste organs for clients oer the years that I have been doing pipe organ work. = it is not that complicated, ESPECIALLY now that we use color-coded cables = (not the green-colored double-cotton-wrap wire that MOller used.) There are 85 =   connections for the 8' Viola, 73 or 85 wires for the Flute stop (depending = on the range of the Gedeckt rank) and 61 or 73 notes for the principal and 49 =   notes for the Larigot in those Artiste units that had independant larigot stops.   So, how does one move the organ?   Cut the old cable and >discard< it because it no longer meets the U.S. = wiring Code standards.   Wire the new cables plus the return and feed from the console junction = board to the junction board at the windchests...also you need 8 or 10 conductors =   for the swell shades, and a pair for the tremulant control plus spares = built into the cables.     Rick in VA   --part1_6.f94295f.2bdb0058_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 4/25/2=3D 003 2:42:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There is no way that = those=3D20=3D hundreds and hundreds of connections were (are) made during installation = tim=3D e, but a quick look at the cables in the console doesn't show how one can = si=3D mply do some unplugging at either the console or windchest locations when = it=3D is necessary to move either. The organ in question is only a 3.5 rank = unit=3D20=3D organ. <BR>=3D20 <BR>We've all heard how pipe organs become unplayable when the "cable" is = si=3D mply cut ... so how does one go about moving an organ such as this to a = new=3D20=3D location ????? <BR>=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Sorry to disagree, but the wiring time from the console to the = junctions=3D inside the Artiste case would take less than 2 8 hour days for two men = who=3D20=3D have any experience at all in this sort of work. I have moved several = Artist=3D e organs for clients oer the years that I have been doing pipe organ work. = i=3D t is not that complicated, ESPECIALLY now that we use color-coded cables = (no=3D t the green-colored double-cotton-wrap wire that MOller used.) &nbsp;There = a=3D re 85 connections for the 8' Viola, 73 or 85 wires for the Flute stop = (depen=3D ding on the range of the Gedeckt rank) and 61 or 73 notes for the = principal=3D20=3D and 49 notes for the Larigot in those Artiste units that had independant = lar=3D igot stops. <BR> <BR>So, how does one move the organ? <BR> <BR>Cut the old cable and &gt;discard&lt; it because it no longer meets = the=3D20=3D U.S. wiring Code standards. <BR> <BR>Wire the new cables plus the return and feed from the console junction = b=3D oard to the junction board at the windchests...also you need 8 or 10 = conduct=3D ors for the swell shades, and a pair for the tremulant control plus spares = b=3D uilt into the cables. <BR> <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.f94295f.2bdb0058_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:11:41 -0500       TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   >Disinfection is NOT necessary, HOWEVER: > >Do not have intimate relations with any pipes, especially the reeds. > > And watch out if your reeds develop flue-like symptoms.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:27:42 -0500       Vern Jones wrote:   >Unless you carefully disconnect and label the connections at both ends, >it is very difficult. Unless one has lots of technical know how, I >wouldn't attempt it. >   It is generally only necessary to disconnect at one end, and then the cable can be carefully pulled through if it is in a conduit. I would generally disconnect at the organ end and leave the wire coiled up on the console during removal. It is important to do something to keep the wires in the same order for reconnection, e.g., put a number on a piece of masking tape and attach to each one. However, as Rick Maryman points out, the cotton coated wire that would have been used is now illegal, since the US wiring code now insists on plastic coated wire. This would mean among other things that if the instrument caused a fire through a short in the cotton-coated wire, the damage would not be covered by insurance. You would do well, therefore, to take Rick's advice and just cut the cable and rewire the whole thing.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:34:33 -0400   At 05:11 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:     >TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > >>Disinfection is NOT necessary, HOWEVER: >> >>Do not have intimate relations with any pipes, especially the reeds. >> >And watch out if your reeds develop flue-like symptoms. > >John Speller     And also if the flues, become chuffy and reedy sounding. Any pipe that exhibits coughing when trying to speak requires immediate attention from the organ doctor.   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:39:59 -0300   Dennis Goward wrote:   > Seems like it's not as big as WHO makes it sound. And when you look > at the numbers -- less than 5,000 cases world wide, less than 300 > deaths > worldwide ...   That certainly seems to be the sense that we're getting up here (i.e., in Canada). There are a lot of questions about why the WHO didn't release this advisory a few weeks ago when it really would have made sense. Of the 300 deaths worldwide, as of today only 18 of them were in Toronto.   > My supplier indicated that some Canadians seem to > think that the WHO is being controlled by the U.S., and is using this > SARS > "epidemic" as a way to punish Canada for not supporting the Coalition > in > Iraq (given the economic effect of the WHO pronouncements).   I hadn't heard that one! It seems highly unlikely at best. For one thing, Secretary Powell was reported on our news just today saying that we all must move on and work together to repair Iraq. In addition, the CDC (Atlanta) have been questioning the WHO advisory along with everyone else. If this were a conspiracy I would expect the CDC to be issuing the advisory and the WHO saying all is well.   My personal suspicion is that the WHO sees that they goofed in not acting sooner on this matter and is now trying to save face by creating a flurry of activity.   All of the politics, medicine, and joking aside, all the medical advice suggests that there certainly will be no need to disinfect organ pipes or any other object "post-SARS." The virus does, as it turns out, appear to have about a 24hr viability but, as with most of these sorts of diseases, frequent hand-washing is your best friend.   Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia    
(back) Subject: Re: SARs in Toronto. Disinfecting pipes. From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:45:38 -0300     On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 07:34 PM, Arie Vandenberg wrote:   > ... Any pipe that exhibits coughing when trying to speak requires > immediate attention from the organ doctor. > >   Or if your organ is equipped with a Cough Mixture you could simply use that.