PipeChat Digest #3631 - Sunday, April 27, 2003
 
MANY Thanks To All for the Moeller related wiring question !!!!!
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question.
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Hector's "toaster"
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
New Book
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: New Book
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
No clich=E9s here!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Clouds of smoke
  by "Tom R." <trackeraction@theatreorgans.com>
 

(back) Subject: MANY Thanks To All for the Moeller related wiring question !!!!! From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:41:26 -0700 (PDT)   --0-1891193108-1051447286=3D:80849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii   Hi All, I have received much expert advise, in a very short period of = time, and would like to thank everyone collectively. I will be reporting = back to the organist today and know that we must take a much closer look = at the console end. I failed to mention that the cabling runs under the = floor via a conduit and that this will prevent the use of spreaders as was = suggested by many. I also failed to mention that all wires to the chest = are identical, very small gauge WHITE ONLY, but Thank God, not cotton = wrapped. We are doing this investigation ourselves, because there has NOT = been an organ curator for about 15 years now, when the local Moeller rep. = retired. Aside from a "mini touch up" tuning I did, about 4 months ago, = it had not been tuned since 1996. That was performed by another member of = the congregation. I will have to investigate who is available locally, IF = the church is willing to spend the $$$$$$$$ for a professional. Thanks = again to all, Matt   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1891193108-1051447286=3D:80849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <DIV>Hi All,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have received much expert advise, in a very short period of time, = and would like to thank everyone collectively.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I will be reporting back to the organist today and know that we must = take a much closer look at the console end. I failed to mention that the = cabling runs under the floor via a conduit and that this will prevent the = use of spreaders as was suggested by many. I also failed to mention that = all wires to the chest are identical, very small gauge WHITE ONLY, but = Thank God, not cotton wrapped.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>We are doing this investigation ourselves, because there has NOT been = an organ curator for about 15 years now, when the local Moeller rep. = retired.&nbsp; Aside from a "mini touch up" tuning I did, about 4 months = ago, it had not been tuned since 1996.&nbsp; That was performed by another = member of the congregation.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I will have to investigate who is available locally, IF the church is = willing to spend the $$$$$$$$ for a&nbsp;professional.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks again to all,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Matt</DIV><p><hr SIZE=3D1> Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.com">The= New Yahoo! Search</a> - Faster. Easier. Bingo. --0-1891193108-1051447286=3D:80849--  
(back) Subject: Re: 1974 Vintage Moeller Console To Pipe Chest Wiring Question. From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:43:11 -0400     On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 various people write: > > >Unless you carefully disconnect and label the connections at both > ends, it is very difficult. Unless one has lots of technical know how, I > >wouldn't attempt it. > > > However, as Rick Maryman > points out, the cotton coated wire that would have been used is now > illegal, since the US wiring code now insists on plastic coated > wire. This would mean among other things that if the instrument caused a > fire through a short in the cotton-coated wire, the damage would not be   > covered by insurance. You would do well, therefore, to take Rick's > advice and just cut the cable and rewire the whole thing.         First: The NEC code allows you to retain the old wiring if one end of the cables is left connected.       Second: For an Artiste, because of odd pipe placement, it is usually simpler to do the disconnect at the console junction. Since so many wires are on each pin, it is easier to surgically snip the cable wires. Have several strips of wood prepared each the length of a row of pins, and about 1/2" X 1/4". Drill the requisite number of holes down the length of the strip. Transfer the wires to crresponding holes in the "spreader strip." Re-wire when you reach your destination An entire Artiste junction board can be wired and soldered in an afternoon, by one man.   If there is a conduit involved, snip the spreaders into the requisite lengths to make any turn, and wrap with electrical tape to prevent wires from escaping holes during the pull.   To the best of my knowledge, most of the big name builders did not use disconnects. Casavant and Wicks beiong notable exceptions.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Hector's "toaster" From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:33:38 -0400   Greetings all, I've just heard my first ever Hector Olivera concert. He played his = traveling Roland.   Folks, don't ever thingk that a Roland "toaster" can ever comapre to a = real pipe organ, theatre or classical. It cannot. Why? It is so far = superior to the ancient technologies found in the pipe organ world that = pipes come up sadly lacking.   The Roland, under Hector's masterful hands, made music so wonderfully that = I became totally involved in the performance experience. Theatre organs = have only 6 - 80 (Sanfilippo's instrument). Classical organs have up to = the 400s of sounds, nearly all of which are variations on the four = families of organ voices (flute, reed, string and diapason). The Roland = Hector played provided ssooooooooo many more voices that I temporarily = lost my enthusiasm for the "pipe" thing.   Pipes do have their place in the musical world, however, so do electronic = musical instruments.   In planning a trip one month ago to hear Hector play a Wurlitzer in = Buffalo NY I wrote to Tom White, Hector's manager, asking if Hector would = play the entire concert on the Wurlitzer, or would he be playing that = Roland electronic "thingy". I added that I did not want to travel 9 hours = to hear an electronic concert. Mr. White politely answered that it was = indeed an all-Wurlitzer program. However, he added, would you travel 2 = hours to Canton OH to hear an electronic played by Hector?   Trying to be fair and as unbiased as I could be, I agreed. Well, this past = Saturday evening, my lovely wife (no theatre lover she!) and I did travel = the 2 hours to hear....   .... the most awesome music I have heard since, well I cannot remember = when! Hector's program included a wonderful Firebird Suite during which he = showed a video of the Disney Fantasia 2000 Firebird segment while he = accompanied playing the audio on the Roland. He also played the Rhapsody = In Blue, both the orchestral parts and the piansit's part, and complete = with the slide technique used by the opening clarinet solo.   On one selection we found ourselves in a smoky jazz bar during which the = jazz band accompanied a "down and dirty" Saxophone lead.   Of course, he played one composition by those (almost) contemporary = British composers, McCartney and Lennon. In their "Get Back" he urged the = soldiers to "get Back" safely from their tour of duty.   The clincher? My wife (who hates theatre organ concerts) walked out of = that concert happy with having attended, and praising the instrument and = the performer! That said it all!   Would I ever travel 9 hours to hear Hector play an electronic? You bet = your live I would! Thank you, Tom White, for daring me to attend!   Will I still enjoy pipe organ concerts? Yes! Will I ever compare pipe = technology to electronic technology? Probably.   Will I ever attend an electronic concert and expect to hear pipe-generated = type sounds. NEVER!!!       Musically,   Stan Krider        
(back) Subject: New Book From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:20:33 EDT     --part1_117.229233a8.2bdda3a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Posters,   I'm accustomed to receiving little "gifts" from my phamaceutical representatives in return for talking to them about their drugs. Usually, =   they give me golf balls as if all doctors play golf. Anyway, a few of = them knew of my interest in pipe organs. They've been fascinated with the pictures of my pipe organ in its previous installation.   Last week, one of these reps gave me a copy of "All The Stops, The = Glorious Pipe Organ and Its American Masters", by Craig R. Whitney. (Published = 2003 by PublicAffairs).   It's not a technical book about pipe organs, but it's aimed at an audience = of readers who are familiar with the pipe organ, in general. Whitney gives a =   history of the American Organ and contrasts the divergent trends in organbuilding. He also describes the lives of E.P. Biggs, Virgil Fox, E. = M. Skinner, G. Donald Harrison, C. B. Fisk along with the often "colorful" interactions between these people.   Maybe it was because I was sick yesterday, but I really got a lump in my throat as the chapter on E.P. Biggs came to the time of his death.   Anyway, I'm not trying to give an in depth book review. I was really surprised that this rep spent his money on a book for me. I enjoyed the reading of it. Perhaps it would be boring to those of you who are already =   well read in this area. It was interesting to me to see the other side of =   these guys.   Thanks, Keith   --part1_117.229233a8.2bdda3a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Posters,<BR> <BR> I'm accustomed to receiving little "gifts" from my phamaceutical = representat=3D ives in return for talking to them about their drugs.&nbsp; Usually, they = gi=3D ve me golf balls as if all doctors play golf.&nbsp; Anyway, a few of them = kn=3D ew of my interest in pipe organs.&nbsp; They've been fascinated with the = pic=3D tures of my pipe organ in its previous installation.<BR> <BR> Last week, one of these reps gave me a copy of "All The Stops, The = Glorious=3D20=3D Pipe Organ and Its American Masters", by Craig R. Whitney.&nbsp; = (Published=3D20=3D 2003 by PublicAffairs).<BR> <BR> It's not a technical book about pipe organs, but it's aimed at an audience = o=3D f readers who are familiar with the pipe organ, in general.&nbsp; Whitney = gi=3D ves a history of the American Organ and contrasts the divergent trends in = or=3D ganbuilding.&nbsp; He also describes the lives of E.P. Biggs, Virgil Fox, = E.=3D M. Skinner, G. Donald Harrison, C. B. Fisk along with the often = "colorful"=3D20=3D interactions between these people.<BR> <BR> Maybe it was because I was sick yesterday, but I really got a lump in my = thr=3D oat as the chapter on E.P. Biggs came to the time of his death.<BR> <BR> Anyway, I'm not trying to give an in depth book review.&nbsp; I was really = s=3D urprised that this rep spent his money on a book for me.&nbsp; I enjoyed = the=3D reading of it.&nbsp; Perhaps it would be boring to those of you who are = alr=3D eady well read in this area.&nbsp; It was interesting to me to see the = other=3D side of these guys.<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_117.229233a8.2bdda3a1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Book From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:32:44 -0500       Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote:   > "All The Stops, The Glorious Pipe Organ and Its American Masters", by > Craig R. Whitney. (Published 2003 by PublicAffairs). > I too have just finished reading this book and would thoroughly recommend it to everyone. Craig Whitney is an Assistant Managing Editor of the New York Times and was for many years a foreign correspondent. The book is very well written and of considerably more general appeal than most organ books -- being aimed at the general reader as well as the organophile. As well as following the history of the symphonic organ (Ernest M. Skinner, Virgil Fox) and the parallel classical school (G. Donald Harrison, E. Power Biggs and Charles Fisk), it is full of human interest and anecdote. A very good read.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: No clich=E9s here! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:49:42 -0400   Whether programmatic or stylistic.   I know I haven't put "Karl Moyer" in the "subject" line, so you'll have to look for this one.   But that's what it was like. He played a 55-minute recital at St. Thomas' Church, Manhattan, today.   I'm not a BIG organ recital-goer, but I do a few in the course of a year. = I aim for afternoon rather than evening, and summer rather than things than end within an hour of (or especially after) sundown.   Karl posted his program here a week or so back, so I don't need to repeat that. But I've got to tell you, this was one HECK of a recital. Musically= , extremely rewarding. From a thing or two he told me, I think he'll be having very few leisure moments for the list in the coming few days, so let me tell you that, while I assume that this list has a dozen or two very competent performers on it, I can tell you clearly that we have one who has raised the bar more than many of us may have guessed.   Karl's performance was SUPERB. Flawless, to my poor ear. Yes, though playing the main organ from the north side of the choir, he DID pull in a huge trumpet motif (oh! a lot MORE than a "motif," in the Guilmaunt--you already guessed!) from the Taylor & Boody department at the west end. The programme looked so "ordinary"--as I said, "no clich=E9s," potentially even "uninteresting." S. S. Wesley, Boellmann, and (WOW) Guilmant. And two snippets of Bach. =20   But it was anything BUT uninteresting. I have a sneaking suspicion that Dr= .. Moyer is a teacher by profession. St. Thomas' never hands out "program notes." This time they did. (Karl's production, I'm willing to bet) He's a missionary at heart. Just as the Brits learned theology and liturgy from the Lutherans (in the 1540s?), who promptly forgot it, and had to re-learn it again from the Brits, so this Lutheran musician (Karl Moyer) brought a bit of Lutheranism and a very nice serving of Wesley (I don't know whether S. S. was Anglican or Methodist) and French RCism to St. Thomas. (Oh, that's being very silly indeed. I take it back.) It was WONDERFUL Western Christian music of a variety of kinds, all VERY worthy. Three cheers for (are we permitted to be proud of a lister, not having "produced" him?) Dr. Karl Moyer. =20   Alan (oh, boy, I hope somebody submits a better qualified notice than this accumulation of my ignorance; my apologies, but it had to be noted)                
(back) Subject: Clouds of smoke From: "Tom R." <trackeraction@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:02:31 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C30D11.155C9520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello fellow listmembers, =3D20 I rarely ever post but today I must because I have a story to tell, = =3D and I need some info to go along with it. The organ at the church I =3D play for on saturday evening, a late 10's/early 20's Austin, rebuilt by = =3D unknown company in the 70's, has been in the process of renovation for =3D the last 6 months or so. Badly needed as well because when I started =3D playing there in december, half the notes were dead, there was a cypher = =3D in the swell that affected all swell registers, the swell pedal wasn't =3D functioning, and there were about 3 ranks that were non-functional(and =3D out of 14, that makes a difference). The church was on stage 2 of a 4 =3D stage restoration. Stage 1 was retrofitting the console with solid state = =3D technology. Stage 2 was reconnecting the trumpet ranks which have been = =3D disconnected for years. Stage 3 was to be a releathering of entire =3D organ. And stage 4 would have been a cleaning of entire instrument, =3D readjustment, voicing, and tuning. Today, however, marked what may =3D prove to be the end of this instrument. (And it was so close to being =3D done :-( ) According to the substitute organist, who played for =3D 11:00am mass today and first communion, when the disaster occured, this = =3D is what happened. After communion at 11:00, the choir noticed the smell = =3D of smoke on the choir loft. The organist was unable to smell it because = =3D there was a fan up there bowing the smell away from him. After mass, he = =3D looked into the chamber and he did notice a funny smell, but coundn't =3D figure out where it was coming from. He returned to the church for =3D first communion at 2:00pm, and he noticed a clanking sound when he =3D turned the organ on. Then he began to play his prelude and the entire =3D swell went dead on him. (I don't know if this happened all at once, or =3D gradually, he didn't specify.) He turned it off and back on again and =3D it seemed to be working fine. However, when he was playing the gloria, = =3D the organ started to go out of tune rapidly, and it sounded like it was = =3D losing air. The swell again went dead, and the great and pedal slowly =3D went after that. He tried turning the organ off and on again, a couple = =3D of times, and then he smelled smoke and ran down to the basement where =3D the blower was. When he got down there, the ENTIRE BASEMENT was filled = =3D with heavy white smoke. It was all coming from the blower room. =3D Apparently, either there was an electrical problem, or the blower itself = =3D had a problem and overheated, pouring smoke out everywhere. He cut the = =3D main power to the church, in the middle of first communion no less(lol), = =3D and left the power off for the rest of mass, for fear of electrical =3D fire. Amidst this sad story, of how a nearly century old pipe organ may = =3D be lost forever in a cloud of smoke, I have a few questions for any =3D organ techs out there. Does anyone know whether or not it sounds like =3D this could be repaired relatively cheaply? How much damage might the =3D smoke have done to the inside of the organ, chests, and pipes? Has this = =3D happened to anyone before and, if so, was the organ junked because of =3D that? Does anyone know what might have caused this or what might =3D account for the high temperatures and smoke? How much do blowers cost =3D these days, new and used? This and any other info may be helpful, so =3D please feel free to jump in on this topic. A real treasure of an organ = =3D is at stake.   Thanks everyone,   Tom Rishel Organist/Choir Director Ft. Burd Presbyterian Church Brownsville, PA Associate Organist St. Mary the Nativity RC Church Uniontown, PA   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C30D11.155C9520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello fellow = listmembers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I rarely ever post = =3D but today I=3D20 must because I have a story to tell, and I need some info to go along =3D with=3D20 it.&nbsp; The organ at the church I play for on saturday evening, a late = =3D   10's/early 20's Austin, rebuilt by unknown company in the 70's, has been = =3D in the=3D20 process of renovation for the last 6 months or so.&nbsp; Badly needed as = =3D well=3D20 because when I started playing there in december, half the notes were =3D dead,=3D20 there was a cypher in the swell that affected all swell registers, the =3D swell=3D20 pedal wasn't functioning, and there were about 3 ranks that were=3D20 non-functional(and out of 14, that makes a difference).&nbsp; The church = =3D was on=3D20 stage 2 of a 4 stage restoration.&nbsp;Stage 1 was retrofitting the =3D console with=3D20 solid state technology.&nbsp; Stage 2 was reconnecting the trumpet ranks = =3D which=3D20 have been disconnected for years.&nbsp; Stage&nbsp;3 was to be&nbsp;a=3D20 releathering of entire organ.&nbsp; And stage 4 would have been a =3D cleaning of=3D20 entire instrument, readjustment, voicing, and tuning.&nbsp; Today, =3D however,=3D20 marked what may prove to be the end of this instrument. (And it was so =3D close to=3D20 being done :-(&nbsp; )&nbsp; According to the substitute organist, who =3D played=3D20 for 11:00am mass today and first communion, when the disaster occured, =3D this is=3D20 what happened.&nbsp; After communion at 11:00, the choir noticed the =3D smell of=3D20 smoke on the choir loft.&nbsp; The organist was unable to smell it =3D because there=3D20 was a fan up there bowing the smell away from him.&nbsp; After mass, he = =3D looked=3D20 into the chamber and he did notice a funny smell, but coundn't figure =3D out where=3D20 it was coming from.&nbsp; He returned to the church for first communion = =3D at=3D20 2:00pm, and he noticed a clanking sound when he turned the organ =3D on.&nbsp; Then=3D20 he began to play his prelude and the entire swell went dead on him. (I =3D don't=3D20 know if this happened all at once, or gradually, he didn't =3D specify.)&nbsp; He=3D20 turned it off and back on again and it seemed to be working fine.&nbsp; = =3D However,=3D20 when he was playing the gloria, the organ started to go out of tune =3D rapidly, and=3D20 it sounded like it was losing air.&nbsp; The swell again went dead, and = =3D the=3D20 great and pedal slowly went after that.&nbsp; He tried turning the organ = =3D off and=3D20 on again, a couple of times, and then he smelled smoke and ran down to =3D the=3D20 basement where the blower was.&nbsp; When he got down there, the ENTIRE = =3D BASEMENT=3D20 was filled with heavy white smoke.&nbsp; It was all coming from the =3D blower=3D20 room.&nbsp; Apparently, either there was an electrical problem, or the =3D blower=3D20 itself had a problem and overheated, pouring smoke out everywhere.&nbsp; = =3D He cut=3D20 the main power to the church, in the middle of first communion no =3D less(lol), and=3D20 left the power off for the rest of mass, for fear of electrical =3D fire.&nbsp;=3D20 Amidst this sad story, of how a nearly century old pipe organ may be =3D lost=3D20 forever in a cloud of smoke, I have a few&nbsp;questions for any organ =3D techs out=3D20 there.&nbsp; Does anyone know whether or not it sounds like this could =3D be=3D20 repaired relatively cheaply?&nbsp; How much damage might the smoke have = =3D done to=3D20 the inside of the organ, chests, and pipes?&nbsp; Has this happened to =3D anyone=3D20 before and, if so, was the organ junked because of that?&nbsp; Does =3D anyone know=3D20 what might have caused this or what might account for the high =3D temperatures and=3D20 smoke?&nbsp; How much do blowers cost these days, new and used?&nbsp; =3D This and=3D20 any other info may be helpful, so please feel free to jump in on this=3D20 topic.&nbsp; A real treasure of an organ is at stake.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks everyone,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom Rishel</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Organist/Choir Director</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ft. Burd Presbyterian =3D Church</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Brownsville, PA</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Associate Organist</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>St. Mary the Nativity RC =3D Church</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Uniontown, =3D PA</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C30D11.155C9520--