PipeChat Digest #3634 - Monday, April 28, 2003
 
Frozen Shoulder
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
RE: Frozen Shoulder
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Frozen Shoulder
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
RE: Self Tremming Regulator
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Frozen Shoulder
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: RE: Self Tremming Regulator
  by "Randy Morrison Morrison" <rwmorrison@comcast.net>
Re: communing organists and offertory voluntaries
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
children in church
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: RE: Self Tremming Regulator
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Clouds of smoke
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: children in church
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Oops
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Clouds of smoke
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: children in church
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
Re: RE: Self Tremming Regulator
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: children in church
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Frozen Shoulder From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:34:50 +0100   After a 2 hour dig in the garden followed by a 2hr concert, (playing, not listening) I have retired hurt with a thing called 'frozen shoulder'. My doctor, a cheery soul, says it's it mght clear up soon, but he thinks it very unlikely. Also it's very difficult to treat and usually extremely painful. And at 77 I should know better - he's right there.   Can anyone offer me any words of encouragement ?   Yours excruciatingly   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html    
(back) Subject: RE: Frozen Shoulder From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 06:59:40 -0400   Bruce: Ask for a cortisone shot. Ten years ago I was practically crippled with Tennis elbow, I could throw a base ball (no income derived from that) but I couldn't do something as simple as turning a screwdriver (a lot of that working with organs). I have an old-fashioned Doctor and he gave me a cortisone shot and applied leeches to my temples. 7 days later my elbow = was as good as new and I've had no flare-ups or side effects since then, = however the leeches are a nuisance and continue to grow.   Regards, AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Bruce Miles Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:35 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Frozen Shoulder   After a 2 hour dig in the garden followed by a 2hr concert, (playing, not listening) I have retired hurt with a thing called 'frozen shoulder'. My doctor, a cheery soul, says it's it mght clear up soon, but he thinks it very unlikely. Also it's very difficult to treat and usually extremely painful. And at 77 I should know better - he's right there.   Can anyone offer me any words of encouragement ?   Yours excruciatingly   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Frozen Shoulder From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:09:20 +0100   I have just been struck down by 'frozen shoulder.' The pain is horrendous, the medication seems very effective - it induces almost instant coma. I = fell asleep with a cup of hot hot tea in my hand this morning. Oh woe.   Can anyone offer any words comfort. ?   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html    
(back) Subject: RE: Self Tremming Regulator From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:22:08 -0400     There might be something wrong with the blower. A while back I and a co-worker were sent out-of-town to re-regulate the pipework of an old 9 = rank Breckels and Mathews organ. The organist had complained that he couldn't tolerate the unsteadiness he perceived in the speech of the organ. We were about to start and I touched the top of the one reservoir and I noticed a slight random vibration. Eventually, we dismantled the blower and found a small plastic bag stuck to the impellor. We removed the bag, re-assembled the blower and the organ was fine. I was very surprised something as insignificant as a piece of micro-thin plastic could alter the performance of a blower, but it did. Your trouble could be the result of other things as well. Try moving the weights or springs around. If you have springs you may wish to replace = them with pantograph springs. That worked for me once. AjM List:   I need help with my 3 rank pipe organ. I previously had a 1 HP Dayton Radial Blower powering the organ because I was unable to find a used Meidinger or Ventus blower that wasn't over $1000.00. This blower has worked better than expected despite the fact that it had to be placed in another room because it was too loud. It had a static pressure of 6" and = I have the organ winded with a 20" x 30" spring regulator with a cone valve and a built-in concussion bellows. The regulated pressure is 2.5" WP and = it was very steady.   Last week I bought a used .25HP Meidinger blower (it's gorgeous!!!) that = has a static pressure of about 4.75" WP. I have a 4" line into the regulator, just as before, and a 4" line from the regulator to the 3 rank chest. = Here is the problem: the regulator is now tremming without a trem all on its own. It is very fast and slight but none the less annoying. Any ideas of what is wrong? Suggestions? I need help!   Steven Durham        
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen Shoulder From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 05:01:31 -0700 (PDT)   Bruce,   I had "frozen shoulder", or adhesive encapsulitis [sic?]. I was told by a physical therapist acquaintance that it would ease itself after a month, then could go away after about a year. In my case he was right.   After about a month of breath taking [literally] pain if I moved incorrectly, from the shoulder's perspective, the pain lessened. And sure enough, one morning a year later the affliction was gone.   There are two courses of action that are apparently nearly as effective as each other: 1) surgery, physical therapy, etc. 2) doing nothing.   For others out there, adhesive encapsulitis is one of the afflictions that occur more frequently to those who have diabetes. The exact mechanism by which the problem develops isn't understood at this point.   Also don't be surprised if your other shoulder is attacked by the same malady in a couple of months. It can happen and did in my case. It seemed rather hopeless, especially after the new case, but sure enough, both shoulders are working fine now.   Hope that the condition works itself out quickly for you, Bruce!   -Bill   --- Bruce Miles <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > I have just been struck down by 'frozen shoulder.' The pain > is horrendous, > the medication seems very effective - it induces almost > instant coma. I fell > asleep with a cup of hot hot tea in my hand this morning. Oh > woe. > > Can anyone offer any words comfort. ? > > Bruce Miles > > website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Self Tremming Regulator From: "Randy Morrison Morrison" <rwmorrison@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:43:51 -0400   I've seen the same problem when the blower basically can't raise the reservoir/regulator to its rated pressure. This could happen if the reservoir is too big for the blower. It's like trying to blow up a truck tire with your mouth, you have the pressure but not the volume. I don't think there's anything wrong with the blower, it's just too small in both hp and cfm. Going from 1 HP TO .25 wouldn't seem to make much sense, under any circumstances. I have a 1/2 HP 5" 300 cfm blower, which when trying to raise 5" fails in the same way. It works fine on 4", though.   I suggest you do a little arithmetic regarding the size (hp and Cfm) of the blower versus the requirements of your organ, as well as the reservoir. With only 2 1/2" regulated pressure on the reservoir and 4.5" blower, that it should be ok, however. If you calculate the weight that the blower must raise on this size reservoir, you'll be surprized.   Go to the Organ Supply or Klann website catalogs and follow their guidelines for blower selection. Klann tells you that allowances must be made for sprung reservoirs, as well as the losses between static, dynamic, and regulated pressure.   Good luck, Randy Morrison       ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Mead <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Monday, April 28, 2003 7:22 am Subject: RE: Self Tremming Regulator   > > There might be something wrong with the blower. A while back I and a > co-worker were sent out-of-town to re-regulate the pipework of an > old 9 rank > Breckels and Mathews organ. The organist had complained that he > couldn'ttolerate the unsteadiness he perceived in the speech of > the organ. We were > about to start and I touched the top of the one reservoir and I > noticed a > slight random vibration. Eventually, we dismantled the blower and > found a > small plastic bag stuck to the impellor. We removed the bag, re- > assembledthe blower and the organ was fine. > I was very surprised something as insignificant as a piece of > micro-thin > plastic could alter the performance of a blower, but it did. > Your trouble could be the result of other things as well. Try > moving the > weights or springs around. If you have springs you may wish to > replace them > with pantograph springs. That worked for me once. > AjM > List: > > I need help with my 3 rank pipe organ. I previously had a 1 HP Dayton > Radial Blower powering the organ because I was unable to find a used > Meidinger or Ventus blower that wasn't over $1000.00. This blower has > worked better than expected despite the fact that it had to be > placed in > another room because it was too loud. It had a static pressure of > 6" and I > have the organ winded with a 20" x 30" spring regulator with a > cone valve > and a built-in concussion bellows. The regulated pressure is 2.5" > WP and it > was very steady. > > Last week I bought a used .25HP Meidinger blower (it's > gorgeous!!!) that has > a static pressure of about 4.75" WP. I have a 4" line into the > regulator,just as before, and a 4" line from the regulator to the > 3 rank chest. Here > is the problem: the regulator is now tremming without a trem all > on its > own. It is very fast and slight but none the less annoying. Any > ideas of > what is wrong? Suggestions? I need help! > > Steven Durham > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: communing organists and offertory voluntaries From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:42:03 -0400   On 4/28/03 4:04 AM, "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> wrote:   > > On Saturday, April 26, 2003, at 05:38 PM, Alan Freed wrote: > >> Doesn't sound NEARly as bad as I thought you might be saying. One >> question: >> At what age does a kid begin to actually attend a celebration of the >> eucharist from beginning to end? And are you satisfied with your own >> reply? >> (Which, of course, is STILL not your call.) >> > > Kids don't typically attend whole services in the church until they are > too old for Sunday School.   Russ: If I were to reply to THAT, in my best pastoral tone, I'd be thrown of the list. And I've been much too critical already. I haven't been to Winnipeg in DECADES, and it wasn't in January, but I can understand a lack of parental enthusiasm in this situation. And it's NOT YOUR JOB to "fix" the situation anyway.   In our (ELCA) rite for Baptism, the pastor addresses the parents and Godparents: "In Christian love you have presented this child for Holy Baptism. You should therefore faithfully bring him to the services of = God's House, and teach him the Lord's Prayer, the Creed, and the Ten = Commandments. As he grows in years you should place in his hands the Holy Scriptures, = and provide for his instruction in the Christian faith. . . . Do you promise = to fulfill these obligations?" I suspect that there's a similar charge in = the Roman rite for infant baptism, with a similar sequence of expectations of parents. "Sunday School" is not even mentioned.   Roman Catholic children belong in mass every Sunday and on every Holy Day = of Obligation. They won't like it. This Lutheran kid didn't like it either. But that's the job.   > - parents here are not about to bring their children to service PLUS > get them back at a separate time for Christian Education. And that's > really the crux of the problem.   Yes, it certainly is. > > Years ago, I used to audit a large brewery (another time, another > life). The brewmaster was a highly qualified expert imported from > Germany. I asked him once if Brand X was the best beer he could brew. > And he said, of course not! But it's the best beer I can sell! > Excellent anecdote.   And since I don't have a real answer, I'd better shut up.   (Thanks, Russ.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: children in church From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:11:57 -0500   on 4/28/03 9:42 AM, Alan Freed at acfreed0904@earthlink.net wrote:     > > In our (ELCA) rite for Baptism, the pastor addresses the parents and > Godparents: "In Christian love you have presented this child for Holy > Baptism. You should therefore faithfully bring him to the services of = God's > House, and teach him the Lord's Prayer, the Creed, and the Ten = Commandments. > As he grows in years you should place in his hands the Holy Scriptures, = and > provide for his instruction in the Christian faith. . . . Do you = promise to > fulfill these obligations?" I suspect that there's a similar charge in = the > Roman rite for infant baptism, with a similar sequence of expectations = of > parents. "Sunday School" is not even mentioned. > > Roman Catholic children belong in mass every Sunday and on every Holy = Day of > Obligation. They won't like it. This Lutheran kid didn't like it = either. > But that's the job.     Well, this explains something that has puzzled me in my ignorance of Lutheran doctrine and practice (I'm relatively new to ELCA-dom, only becoming music director here at Zion two years ago). I had never before been in a church where there was such constant screaming from infants. = Yet I do seem to recall that in a catholic church in suburban Baltimore where = I held a similar post thirty years ago there was what the priests there = called a "wailing wall"--a glass partition on the other side of which parents = kept their little noisemakers, and from where they could hear (through loudspeakers) and see (through the ceiling to floor windows) the mass. = And it is also true that our ELCA church does run a nursery during services, though many do not use it. So, are those wailing tots supposed to be in = the pews instead of the nursery? And is the wailing wall a far from universal practice?   This is not entirely off-topic, since the music has to coexist with the yelling.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Self Tremming Regulator From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:10:46 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ----__JNP_000_2c86.0aa7.6bd6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:43:51 -0400 Randy Morrison Morrison <rwmorrison@comcast.net> writes: > I've seen the same problem when the blower basically can't raise the > reservoir/regulator to its rated pressure. This could happen if the > reservoir is too big for the blower.       Actually, if the leakage is acceptably small, you could fill a reservoir the size of a house. The only limiting factor would be the weight of the lid.     > It's like trying to blow up a truck tire with your mouth, you have the pressure but not the volume.     Pressure is a deceptive thing. You actually DO have the volume, but you have to accomplish the task in more than one puff. You do NOT have the pressure. To raise the pressure in the tire from 0 psi to 1 psi would require you to be capable of mouth-blowing a pipe voiced on 27 inches of pressure! To inflate the tire to 35 psi you would have to be able to blow a pipe voiced on 967 inches!   One inch water column equals 0.036 127 pounds per square inch.   The cause of the vibrating blower could be one of many things.   Steven: If you would respond privately, I would be happy to give you my phone number. We could probably diagnose it if we put our heads together.     Jim ----__JNP_000_2c86.0aa7.6bd6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3Dcontent-type = content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Dus-ascii> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bottomMargin=3D3D0 leftMargin=3D3D3 topMargin=3D3D0 = rightMargin=3D3D3> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:43:51 -0400 Randy Morrison Morrison = &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rwmorrison@comcast.net">rwmorrison@comcast.net</A>&gt;=3D2= 0 writes:<BR>&gt; I've seen the same problem when the blower basically can't = =3D raise=3D20 the <BR>&gt;&nbsp; reservoir/regulator to its rated pressure. This could = =3D happen=3D20 if the <BR>&gt;&nbsp; reservoir is too big for the blower.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Actually, if the leakage&nbsp;is acceptably small, you could fill = a=3D20 reservoir the size of a house.&nbsp; The only limiting factor would be = the=3D =3D20 weight of the lid.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&gt;&nbsp;It's like trying to blow up a truck tire with your mouth, = =3D you=3D20 have the pressure but not the volume.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Pressure is a deceptive thing.&nbsp; You actually DO have the volume, = =3D but=3D20 you have to accomplish the task in more than one = puff.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You=3D =3D20 do&nbsp;NOT have the pressure.&nbsp; To raise the pressure in the = tire=3D20 from&nbsp; 0 psi to 1 psi would require you to be capable of mouth-blowing = =3D a=3D20 pipe voiced on 27 inches of pressure!&nbsp; To inflate the tire to 35 psi = =3D you=3D20 would have to be able to blow a pipe voiced on 967 inches!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>One inch water column equals 0.036 127 pounds per square inch.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The cause of the vibrating blower could be one of many things.&nbsp; = <=3D /DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Steven:</DIV> <DIV>If you would respond privately, I would be happy to give you my = phone=3D =3D20 number.&nbsp; We could probably diagnose it if we put our heads = together.</=3D DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Jim<BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ----__JNP_000_2c86.0aa7.6bd6--    
(back) Subject: Re: Clouds of smoke From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:17:06 EDT     --part1_18a.192a0dd9.2bde9ff2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Tom, My first impression on this organ is that the renovation started at the = wrong end. The console is the LAST thing that needs to be done, but usually the =   first to get it because it is the most visible and probably has the widest =   profit margin, not to mention the easiest. You need to do ONE thing. Call Austin. You have an instrument that desperately needs work, but = which was built by a firm that is still in business, and fairly close by. = I'm not a technician, but the problem appears to be in the area of the blower.   One additional thought, as soon as smoke is smelled in such a building, = the fire department should be called IMMEDIATELY. I believe it is a free = visit, unless you do this too often. The problem might have been averted had proper measures been taken several hours earlier.   Actually, the first thing that needs to be replaced is the = technician/company that has been (supposedly) working on the organ. They are not doing a thorough job. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could blow all that = smoke.   Good luck. Please let us know what happens. And, of course, it would be =   interesting to see the stoplist (for us stoplist junkies!). ;-)       Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_18a.192a0dd9.2bde9ff2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Tom,=3D20 <BR>My first impression on this organ is that the renovation started at = the=3D20=3D wrong end. &nbsp;The console is the LAST thing that needs to be done, but = us=3D ually the first to get it because it is the most visible and probably has = th=3D e widest profit margin, not to mention the easiest. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You = ne=3D ed to do ONE thing. &nbsp;&nbsp;Call Austin. &nbsp;&nbsp;You have an = instrum=3D ent that desperately needs work, but which was built by a firm that is = still=3D in business, and fairly close by. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm not a = technic=3D ian, but the problem appears to be in the area of the blower. <BR> <BR>One additional thought, as soon as smoke is smelled in such a = building,=3D20=3D the fire department should be called IMMEDIATELY. &nbsp;I believe it is a = fr=3D ee visit, unless you do this too often. &nbsp;&nbsp;The &nbsp;problem = might=3D20=3D have been averted had proper measures been taken several hours earlier. <BR> <BR>Actually, the first thing that needs to be replaced is the = technician/co=3D mpany that has been (supposedly) working on the organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;They = are=3D20=3D not doing a thorough job. &nbsp;&nbsp;I wouldn't trust them as far as I = coul=3D d blow all that smoke. <BR> <BR>Good luck. &nbsp;Please let us know what happens. &nbsp;&nbsp;And, of = co=3D urse, it would be interesting to see the stoplist (for us stoplist = junkies!)=3D .. &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_18a.192a0dd9.2bde9ff2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: children in church From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:21:58 EDT     --part1_55.3e898b08.2bdea116_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Children can be in worship, SHOULD be, but they need to be taught how to behave and act.   Even the smallest baby can be gently encouraged to be quiet during quiet times...there are very wonderful ways that the older generation knew that modern parents don't know.   What's always a chuckle for me, is how quiet small ones are DURING music (usually).   Neil Brown   --part1_55.3e898b08.2bdea116_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Children can be in worship, SHOULD be, but they = need t=3D o be taught how to behave and act.<BR> <BR> Even the smallest baby can be gently encouraged to be quiet during quiet = tim=3D es...there are very wonderful ways that the older generation knew that = moder=3D n parents don't know.<BR> <BR> What's always a chuckle for me, is how quiet small ones are DURING music = (us=3D ually).<BR> <BR> Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_55.3e898b08.2bdea116_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Oops From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:26:35 -0400   Russ:   One tiny thing. You've dropped enough hints that St. Andrew's is Anglican--and yet I obviously assumed it was Roman. Sorry. Don't suppose it changes the substance of the matter.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Clouds of smoke From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:34:26 EDT   Dear Mr. Rishel: You might be better off asking the organ company that has been = rebuilding this organ for you. They know the instrument better than any of us, and they, by now, have evaluated all of the damage.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: children in church From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:38:48 -0700 (PDT)   I recall an Easter a few years ago, not many ago I've only been a DOM for 5 years, however I finished my prelude, quite festive piece. Small child yelled out in excietement "YEAH"   Trav   --- Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > Children can be in worship, SHOULD be, but they need > to be taught how to > behave and act. > > Even the smallest baby can be gently encouraged to > be quiet during quiet > times...there are very wonderful ways that the older > generation knew that > modern parents don't know. > > What's always a chuckle for me, is how quiet small > ones are DURING music > (usually). > > Neil Brown >    
(back) Subject: Re: RE: Self Tremming Regulator From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:37:01 -0400     On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:43:51 -0400 Randy Morrison Morrison <rwmorrison@comcast.net> writes: > If you calculate the weight > that the blower must raise on this size reservoir, you'll be > surprized.       I forgot to mention, in my last post, that you can calculate how much weight (or spring pressure) is required on the reservoir, if you rememeber that approximately 5.2 pounds per square foot is necessary to raise the pressure one inch water column. (5.1966 lbs/ft2 if you are picky. The weight of the reservoir lid, and to an extremely small amount the weight of the folds, must be factored in.   In other words, the reservoir can be of unlimited size, provided the weight of the lid does not exceed 5.1966 pounds per square foot per inch of wind required.           Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: children in church From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:53:38 -0400   On 4/28/03 12:11 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > So, are those wailing tots supposed to be in the pews instead of > the nursery? And is the wailing wall a far from universal practice?   About 1948 my home congregation in Seattle built a new church, seating = 700. Major new thing for us was a glassed-in "cry room." Got lots of use.   I think that in urban parishes the cry room is not usual (but not unheard-of); in suburban parishes (lotsa families with lotsa kids) it's = VERY common.   We don't have one at St. Luke's, but moms or dads are known (on any given Sunday) to stroll out to the narthex with the wailing kid, until the kid goes back to sleep.   Alan