PipeChat Digest #3638 - Tuesday, April 29, 2003
 
Re: Old Issues
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Clouds of smoke
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Carpal Tunnel, Tendinitis, etc.
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: children in church
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Clouds of smoke
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: Carpal Tunnel, Tendinitis, etc.
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re:  Frozen shoulders, carpal tunnel, tendonitis, arthritis, etc.
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Clouds of smoke
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: Frozen shoulders, carpal tunnel, tendonitis, arthritis, etc.
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: Carpal Tunnel, Tendinitis, etc.
  by "Sandra Capri" <scapri@spro.net>
Re: Old Issues
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Old Issues From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:01:53 EDT     --part1_1cb.873a761.2bdf3711_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Dr. Zimmer:   I have kept Diapason Mags back to Dec. 1956. That was my free one. I have continuous issues since April 1957 mostly in mint condition. I was 14 in 1956. They weigh a ton and have them in three safe boxes. American organist back to May 1980 all in order in two boxes. I could never throw them away, they were too filled with information. It's fun to get them out and go through them. I have moved four times and never dumped them. My wife would like to see them go, and I would part with history to the right person. They are a time capsule of 47 years of organ building. I'm betrixed and between as they have filled my life with meaning from youth to manhood to old age. I've watched great organists in their prime "youth" grow old and yes die. Give me a good reason to part with this history and I will. Eventually I will have to.   Ron Severin   --part1_1cb.873a761.2bdf3711_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Dr. Zimmer:<BR> <BR> I have kept Diapason Mags back to Dec. 1956. That was my free one.<BR> I have continuous issues since April 1957 mostly in mint condition.<BR> I was 14 in 1956. They weigh a ton and have them in three safe <BR> boxes. American organist back to May 1980 all in order in two boxes.<BR> I could never throw them away, they were too filled with information.<BR> It's fun to get them out and go through them. I have moved four times<BR> and never dumped them. My wife would like to see them go, and I would<BR> part with history to the right person. They are a time capsule of 47 <BR> years of organ building. I'm betrixed and between as they have filled<BR> my life with meaning from youth to manhood to old age. I've watched<BR> great organists in their prime "youth" grow old and yes die. Give me<BR> a good reason to part with this history and I will. Eventually I will <BR> have to.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1cb.873a761.2bdf3711_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Clouds of smoke From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:01:36 -0400   I didn't notice anyone thus far advising that if you suspect something = wrong with the blower, turning it on and off repeatedly in a short time is the *last* thing you should do, liable to make the problem precipitously = worse. It is a strain at best (and a major draw of electric power) on a large = motor to be turned on, especially under a load, so that many of them are "rated" for this to happen only a few times within an hour. Startup uses = different circuitry that isn't designed to be activated frequently or for an = extended period. If the motor is for some reason running more slowly than it = should, this circuitry may very well be working in an attempt to bring the motor back up to the proper speed, and this can be the cause of the overheating and smoke problem (e.g. during a brownout, when the voltage is too low).   Based on expert responses when I made a related inquiry here a year or two ago, I'd feel safe only by turning it off and leaving it off until a technician comes, if I had any suspicion of overheating or malfunction of the blower motor.   Am I mistaken?          
(back) Subject: Carpal Tunnel, Tendinitis, etc. From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:31:19 EDT     --part1_50.1be17e0f.2bdf3df7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Glenda, for attorneys with CTS or tendinitis, I usually prescribe strychnine!?!?! Sorry, I just had to throw that in. When I started = reading your message, I tho't "Uh Oh, now comes the ad from the attorney telling everybody to call her if they think they might have had any problems from = the treatment that's been recommended to them on this list." LOL.   Just kidding. I appreciate Noel's comments. I don't mind dishing out a little advice in exchange for some pipe organ advice. If I don't like it, = I can just ignore it. It's more difficult at church when people who don't usually see me as their doctor rush into the choir room right before = church and kindly say, "please don't leave until I can talk to you." It's harder = to ignore them.   I've told a few people that I'm going to start carrying a glove and tube = of KY around with me, and start fumbling with them when people start asking = too many questions.   Cheers, Keith Zimmerman   --part1_50.1be17e0f.2bdf3df7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Glenda, for attorneys with CTS or tendinitis, I = usuall=3D y prescribe strychnine!?!?!&nbsp; Sorry, I just had to throw that = in.&nbsp;=3D20=3D When I started reading your message, I tho't "Uh Oh, now comes the ad from = t=3D he attorney telling everybody to call her if they think they might have = had=3D20=3D any problems from the treatment that's been recommended to them on this = list=3D .."&nbsp; LOL.<BR> <BR> Just kidding.&nbsp; I appreciate Noel's comments.&nbsp; I don't mind = dishing=3D out a little advice in exchange for some pipe organ advice.&nbsp; If I = don'=3D t like it, I can just ignore it.&nbsp; It's more difficult at church when = pe=3D ople who don't usually see me as their doctor rush into the choir room = right=3D before church and kindly say, "please don't leave until I can talk to = you."=3D &nbsp; It's harder to ignore them.<BR> <BR> I've told a few people that I'm going to start carrying a glove and tube = of=3D20=3D KY around with me, and start fumbling with them when people start asking = too=3D many questions.<BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> Keith Zimmerman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_50.1be17e0f.2bdf3df7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: children in church From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:07:20 -0400   Here's my two cents, just in case you all were actually waiting for me to = chime in (note I said chime in to keep it slightly on topic... sigh...)   I never knew there was such a thing as "kids church" until I moved to the = south and saw it on TV. As a kid I thought everyone went to Sunday School = first, then church. That was just the routine. I also thought that = everyone worshiped just like me, and the only reason they went to another = church was because they lived closer to it.   My thought is that if the kids aren't in church as children, they aren't = in church as adults. I know, you're saying "he's Lutheran - they leave = right after confirmation anyway" - which is true for some, but I feel some = of the reason that young people don't take to traditional forms of worship = some times is that they weren't subjected to it enough to appreciate it. = I barely read, therefore I don't pick up great literature. I pretty much = limit myself to quick, easy to read small articles. If you don't grow up = in a liturgical background, it's a little much to take in at once.   If this doesn't make sense, don't worry - I'm writing it pretty late and = usually don't make sense at this time of the day anyway!   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Clouds of smoke From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:31:35 -0400   Paul's comments about starting a motor up several times in quick = succession is very valid. This is often a cause of "blown fuses" service calls on organs. Many times a new organist will get mixed up as to the ON and OFF buttons and will turn the organ on and off several times before figuring out what is on and off. This does put a strain on the fuses and the motor as Paul said. Eventually something will give out if you do it too often. Brownouts are also a problem that can ruin good motors.   Although I've had more than one incident where an organ used to = unexpectedly quit only at major services. The cause in all cases was that the ladies = of the church would plug in the spare coffee pots in the old kitchen near = the end of the services. Of course the organ was miss-wired onto the same fuse circuits and the fuses would blow.(very old wiring in the church) The = ladies would always keep a few extra fuses around and would replace them as they blew. Of course the organist would have by that point turned off the organ and called us in a panic! When we arrived all would appear normal, the coffee pots were cleaned and put away and all was back to normal. It was only by chance that one of the church ladies spotted us looking at the wiring and (thinking we were electricians) asked if we could upgrade the kitchen plugs since they blew fuses all the time, that we discovered the source of the problem.   Trust me, many churches have wild wiring systems NEVER POKE YOUR FINGERS = IN ANY CHURCH WIRING EVEN IF YOU THINK THE POWER IS OFF!! Often it isn't!   Re: lubricating organ blowers.   Yes we always try to check the operation of the blower motors on every = visit to an organ. However increasingly we find that organ blowers are being buried in behind concrete block walls or 3 heavily locked doors which nobody seems to have keys for. I've had several that were buried so deeply that it was impossible to access them for any routine service. Sadly our request for keys or access doors often go unrequited by church officials which ignore the danger or refuse to spend a buck or two and insurance companies which are now restricting the number of keys available to church members and service people.   Although in one case the firemen did make a nice big door for us to get to the organ blower which made replacing the old motor a breeze :-))   Secondly organ technicians are being called less and less frequently to = many organs as maintenance budgets decrease and caretakers and church handymen are being replaced by a "cleaning lady" or a cleaning service who have little or no knowledge of real church maintenance. This means that in many churches there is no-one to inspect the blowers for 2-3 years at a time. Plenty of time for something to go wrong at the worst possible moment.   Organ blowers do last almost forever but as with anything they do need = some TLC and a bit of checking now and then. With many old blowers now reaching 80-100 years old there is a good chance that some will die a painful, = noisy and smelly death.   The good point is that unless they burn the church down you can replace/repair them at minimal cost.   In any case an oil can or a grease gun and a trip to the basement dungeon every six months by a person with a bit of minimal skill is a small investment to make in the overall scheme of things. It's a whole lot = cheaper than getting your car oil and lubed and it's simpler.   Make sure the organ is OFF and the power to the blower is REALLY OFF = before poking your fingers in the works otherwise you may be reduced to playing "Chopsticks" for Sunday services.   Remember if it groans, squeals, smokes, clangs, won't start or dies unexpectedly SHUT IT OFF! It's just looking for some sympathy and TLC. Show it some and it might = just go on living for many years to come. And you might just save my back from a lot of strain from lugging a 300lb bemoth up 3 flights of stairs.   Nelson Denton R.A. Denton & Son Pipe Organ Builders.   Who still has 10 fingers and 10 toes and a bad back all of which point in funny directions.        
(back) Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel, Tendinitis, etc. From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:44:22 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0074_01C30DE0.18176E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Something a lot of organists forget is the height of their organ =3D benches. I've had many organists complain that they had hand, back =3D troubles and leg pain. The cause was often a bench that was too high or = =3D too low, too far forward or back.=3D20   A backrest and a few riser blocks solved the problem.   That's not news to most but it's something many forget to look at when =3D they play. Ask a friend to watch you play, they may see things you =3D don't.   Of course my good friend Blair Havers is in a full leg cast for the =3D next 6 months after tearing a bunch of ligaments in his leg after a fall = =3D down some church stairs.   As Hercules said "That's gotta hurt!"     Nelson Denton ------=3D_NextPart_000_0074_01C30DE0.18176E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Something a lot of organists forget is the height of = =3D their=3D20 organ benches. I've had many organists complain that they had hand, back = =3D   troubles and leg pain. The cause was often a bench that was too high or = =3D too low,=3D20 too far forward or back.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>A backrest and a few riser blocks solved the=3D20 problem.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>That's not news to most but it's something many =3D forget to look=3D20 at when they play. Ask a friend to watch you play, they may see things =3D you=3D20 don't.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Of course&nbsp;my &nbsp;good friend =3D Blair&nbsp;Havers is in a=3D20 full leg cast for the next 6 months after tearing a bunch of ligaments =3D in his=3D20 leg after a fall down some church stairs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>As Hercules said "That's gotta hurt!"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Nelson Denton</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0074_01C30DE0.18176E50--    
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen shoulders, carpal tunnel, tendonitis, arthritis, etc. From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:49:10 -0700 (PDT)   A number of years ago I attended a workshop on practice techniques with Dr. Roberta Gary from the Cincinnati Conservatory. She said a number of things that made a huge difference in the way I practice and play the organ. Basically she asked us to constantly aware of and in touch with our bodies as we practice - constantly examining what was happening with each finger, posture, and so forth. Play a passage and pay particular attention to one finger and what it is doing. Then another finger. Is it being stressed by the way you are playing. Think about how your wrists and arms are. Maybe just turning a wrist a little bit will make something easier. If you are constantly having problems getting a note right, stop and examine which finger is having/creating the problem. Very gently adjust what that finger is doing and concentrate on it when that place comes up in the music. Too often we are up against a deadline to get a big piece learned and we just kind of brutally push ourselves to get it learned, but we need to take a more timeless approach in which we don't stress our moving parts. We need to constantly examine our posture on the bench and make sure we always feel comfortable and balanced. If you do these things and play in a relaxed and sure manner, even the Widor Toccata can be reahearsed dozens of times in a row without strain. I personally find that if I have reached my limit at the organ, taking the piece to the piano for awhile helps.   If you are having some carpal tunnel problems, sometimes a squishy ball gently squeezed for awhile helps.   Ken Potter   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Clouds of smoke From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:51:40 -0400   > Secondly organ technicians are being called less and less frequently to many > organs as maintenance budgets decrease and caretakers and church = handymen > are being replaced by a "cleaning lady" or a cleaning service who have > little or no knowledge of real church maintenance.   Before anybody calls me sexist I should point out that I know of a very sweet little Asian cleaning lady in a church who is also a Certified Maintenance Electrician and that my business partner/sister Janine gets to carry old blower motors out to the van for me :-P))   Nelson    
(back) Subject: Re: Frozen shoulders, carpal tunnel, tendonitis, arthritis, etc. From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:21:47 -0500   Calling Mary Baker Eddy.... calling Mary Baker Eddy ....too many physical problems on PipeChat.... ( I guess I played to many Wednesday night Testimony services as a teenager.... LOL)   Sand    
(back) Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel, Tendinitis, etc. From: "Sandra Capri" <scapri@spro.net> Date: 28 Apr 2003 22:26:17 -0600   In 1992, I had an 8 month bout with tendonitis in both wrists (from 80 hour weeks on the computer keyboard). I had similar symptoms (little finger and ring finger numb), as well as extreme pain when flexing my wrists to reach the enter and ctrl keys. I had wrists restraints on both wrists, daily naproxen sodium, and hourly ice packs. The biggest help, of course, was reducing the number of hours on the computer.   After the acute phase was over, I did 2 things to help prevent a recurrence:   1) Purchased a Kinesis contoured ergonomic computer keyboard (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com) 2) Purchased a "Dyna-Flex Pro" gyro to build up my wrists (http://www.dynaflex-intl.com)   No, I don't have any financial interest in either company. They just have products that helped me out.   Also earlier comments about watching your piano/organ playing technique are very good.   Hope that helps,   Sandra      
(back) Subject: Re: Old Issues From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:00:53 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01C30DE2.67D83B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I have a couple years worth of all three that you may have. I've been =3D spring cleaning and hate to toss them in the recycle bin. How far back = =3D are you going?   Ray ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Old Issues     Listers,   Do any of you have back issues from the past several years of =3D "Diapason", "Tracker", "The American Organist", etc. that are headed for = =3D the recycle bin? I would like to obtain some of them. Please let me =3D know. I'll be glad to send you some postage.   Thanks, Keith ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01C30DE2.67D83B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type =3D content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=3D3DMailContainerBody=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; =3D BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; =3D BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; TEXT-DECORATION: =3D none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none"=3D20 leftMargin=3D3D0 topMargin=3D3D0 acc_role=3D3D"text" = CanvasTabStop=3D3D"true"=3D20 name=3D3D"Compose message area"><?xml:namespace prefix=3D3D"v" =3D /><?xml:namespace prefix=3D3D"o" /> <DIV>I have a couple years worth of all three that you may have.&nbsp; =3D I've been=3D20 spring cleaning and hate to toss them in the recycle bin.&nbsp; How far = =3D back are=3D20 you going?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Ray</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DKzimmer0817@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Kzimmer0817@aol.com">Kzimmer0817@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 28, 2003 = =3D 4:07=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Old Issues</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2 =3D   FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Listers,<BR><BR>Do any of you have back issues = =3D from the=3D20 past several years of "Diapason", "Tracker", "The American Organist", = =3D etc.=3D20 that are headed for the recycle bin?&nbsp; I would like to obtain some = =3D of=3D20 them.&nbsp; Please let me know.&nbsp; I'll be glad to send you some=3D20 postage.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Keith</FONT> =3D </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01C30DE2.67D83B20--