PipeChat Digest #3845 - Saturday, August 2, 2003
 
Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3844 - 08/02/03
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Potential conflict of interest
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?
  by "Robert P. Bass" <rpbass@earthlink.net>
Re: Potential conflict of interest
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Potential conflict of interest
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Music for a wedding
  by "Doug Hendsbee" <dhendsbee@accesswave.ca>
RE: Potential conflict of interest
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Philip Thibault" <pthibaul@maine.rr.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:01:30 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Now the name Buddy Cole springs to mind, as does the UK name of the late Bryan Rodwell.   I can tell you something about Bryan Rodwell because he used to date my mother!! (Long before I came along I would add, so I don't think I am a Rodwell, but if my father were not completely gaga, I might know for definite!!)   His style was absolutely stunning, and there are some fine recordings of his unique jazz organ style on old LP's. Also, Bryan was a brilliant exponent of the electronic genre; working with various manufacturers as a demonstrator/artiste, including Yamaha and Hammond.   Bryan came from my home town, but as he moved on, no-one seemed to remember him or acknowledge his very great talent.   I can honestly say that Bryan Rodwell gave me one of the finest listening events of my life, when he performed in company with some session jazz musicians. No practise....they just played his arrangements and he played the organ....superb!   Buddy Cole did a lot with organ and other instruments, and his recordings are well known in the cinema/theatre organ world.   Of course, if anyone is looking for great jazz organ, North America has to be THE place, but just spare a thought for the sounds of Harry Stoneham here in the UK, who produced some faultless tracks and did a lot of work for the BBC.   Hope this helps.   Finally, I shall treasure the last comments about modern, post-modern and contemporary!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Jacob Bartle <dreddnott@yahoo.com> wrote: > I've > only been playing jazz for a year .....# > does anyone know of > any recordings of > jazz tunes or jazz artists playing on real pipe > organs? Or does the > general timbre of jazz tend to make it sound > unappealing?   > and....   > Modern tries to expand the definition of crap, > post-modern questions > the importance of being crap, and contemporary is > crap on purpose, > because it sells. :D >     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3844 - 08/02/03 From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 09:54:22 -0400   I have a great recording of Fats Waller "playing" a Compton theater organ, issued many years ago by MHS. It was made in England from piano rolls Waller had cut in the 1920s. I would love to what hear he would have done if he knew he was playing the organ!   > Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? > From: "Jacob Bartle" <dreddnott@yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:06:15 -0700 (PDT) > > I've only been playing jazz for a year - I perform on my upright bass > with several groups at a community college and can't help but have a > blast expressing myself so blatantly. The primary reason I'm writing to > the list instead of gleaning out of the vast amount of information you > guys put out every day is this - does anyone know of any recordings of > jazz tunes or jazz artists playing on real pipe organs? Or does the > general timbre of jazz tend to make it sound unappealing?    
(back) Subject: Potential conflict of interest From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:32:13 EDT   Greetings all,   Several friends and I were recently discussing organists and organ = building, and the conversation came around to church organists who work for the = organ company installing or reinstalling an organ in the church he/she plays = for.   Specifically, if a warranted problem occurred, would the organist: 1. = report the problem to the appropriate church committee for action which would = cost his/her "day" job employer money, 2. quietly hide the problem until after = the warranty expires thus saving his/her "day" job money, or 3. it would never =   happen?   Has anyone ever heard of a conflict of interest when the church organist = also works for the company building/rebuilding that church's pipe organ.   If it has happened, would the organ committee insist on a "No conflict of interest" clause to be included in the purchase contract?   Please, NO FLAMING! We were just curious.   Musically,   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:39:28 -0500   Hello, Ron, et al:   You wrote:   > It does make one wonder how these Tojan Horse ministers > get past the screening process. The first thing to go is a > well established and good music ministry, the organ, and > a hard working choir. Within weeks and months the music > reflects the lowest common denominator. It makes one > suspicious as to how this is sold so readily, or is it? or is > is it just jammed down everyone's throat as in the Emperor's > New Clothes. Comformity for conformity's sake without any > regard to how the people will react. > > Ron Severin   I cannot speak for all denominations, but the evangelical "bulls" of the Southern Baptist Convention were bellowing for removal of all "high church music" all the way back to the early 1980s. They wanted "hear-felt" music, ...whatever that meant. This was the position taken by the most militant group of "spiritual" leaders that I have ever witnessed.   This was not an isolated incident. It seems to have been paralleled in other denominations. It is supported by the 24/7 broadcast of "heart-felt" music on the so-called Christian radio stations, who refuse to play church music. They are feeding the minds of people all across the United States, day and night, with this popular-style of music (?), ....and we are surprised when the people, themselves, ask "Why can't we have "heart-felt" music on Sunday at church, too?" There is an enormous cash-cow involved with Contemporary Christian Music. It feeds the artists who compose, record, and sell this music to millions of people who seem to want more and more of it. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY. Well-financed music industries working in this industry will see that the churches adopt more and more of what they sell.   When the preachers, ...the leaders of the modern church, endorse or demand that we have Contemporary Christian Music in our churches, you have an overwhelming majority influence against worshipful music as we have known it for centuries.   This is not the result of one denomination or cult-group. It is broadbased, ...in my opinion, outside the church, using church people's money to fuel it. Some have suggested that "The Devil is doing it to us." <grins> Don't be too quick to give Satan credit for that one, ...he is smart enough to let us wallow in our own vomit without having to use his own influence and energies.   We, who love the traditional music of the church, and the organ that symbolizes its voice, need to find more active ways to counter this influence. I have some ideas, but they require work, ...effort, sweat, and maybe some tears.   To compound this further, look at all leaders of the modern churches. They are the youth that participated in the Berkeley Revolution of the 1960s. Their battle cry was to change the establishment. Guess what? We are witnessing one of the changes, up close and personal, and it is not pretty.   Gotta go influence someone else today to buy an organ and use it in church.   F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs     ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:45:11 EDT   That raises an interesting somewhat similar question. What does one make = of the situation when a "consultant" always winds up recommending the same = builder for every church and is frequently retained to play the dedicatory recital = as well? Enquiring minds are curious.    
(back) Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? From: "Robert P. Bass" <rpbass@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:22:24 -0800   Jacob,   One of the best, if not the best, jazz organist out there right now is none other than Dan Bellomy. What Dan can do with both pipes and "non-pipes" is simply amazing. And... his ballads are to die for... Dan's web page can be found at http://www.zyworld.com/danbel/Home.htm HTH   Bob Bass     > > I've only been playing jazz for a year - I perform on my upright bass with > several groups at a community college and can't help but have a blast > expressing myself so blatantly. The primary reason I'm writing to the list > instead of gleaning out of the vast amount of information you guys put out > every day is this - does anyone know of any recordings of jazz tunes or > jazz artists playing on real pipe organs? Or does the general timbre of > jazz tend to make it sound unappealing? >    
(back) Subject: Re: Potential conflict of interest From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:31:25 -0400   Dear Stan & List,   YOU SAY: "Specifically, if a warranted problem occurred, would the =3D organist: 1. report the problem to the appropriate church committee for = =3D action which would cost his/her "day" job employer money, 2. quietly =3D hide the problem until after the warranty expires thus saving his/her =3D "day" job money, or 3. it would never happen?"   I think the above represents preposterous thinking! Any Organbuilder, =3D certainly the one for which I work, WANTS to make good on any warranted = =3D problem (covered for ten years). An Organ speaks for and about us, and =3D we do not want listeners, and certainly not the musicians involved, to =3D be unhappy in any way with the quality of our work. And we ourselves do = =3D not want to be unhappy with what we do, either.   I cannot imagine a situation in which an Organist, maybe small o for =3D this one, would sweep a problem in an instrument under Warranty under =3D the rug until the warranty runs out, thereby shifting the cost of =3D whatever is needed to his church instead of the person who built the =3D instrument. Can we say Sleazy?=3D20   You say "Please, NO FLAMING! We were just curious." Well, this IS a =3D flame, if you like, and I think you are a pretty curious lot if you were = =3D wasting time conjuring up such possibilities. They go under the heading = =3D of Ethics, which we hope no members of our professions, whether building = =3D or playing, would ever think of breaching in the ways you suggest.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com=3D20   =3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Wuxuzusu@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Potential conflict of interest     Greetings all,   Several friends and I were recently discussing organists and organ =3D building, and the conversation came around to church organists who work = =3D for the organ company installing or reinstalling an organ in the church = =3D he/she plays for.=3D20   Specifically, if a warranted problem occurred, would the organist: 1. = =3D report the problem to the appropriate church committee for action which = =3D would cost his/her "day" job employer money, 2. quietly hide the problem = =3D until after the warranty expires thus saving his/her "day" job money, or = =3D 3. it would never happen?   Has anyone ever heard of a conflict of interest when the church =3D organist also works for the company building/rebuilding that church's =3D pipe organ.=3D20   If it has happened, would the organ committee insist on a "No conflict = =3D of interest" clause to be included in the purchase contract?   Please, NO FLAMING! We were just curious.   Musically,   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:35:17 EDT   Hi Gang: Did you ever hear the LP Jimmy Smith Plays Pretty Just For You? That is a = to die for recording. I concur on Dan Bellomy he is one cool cat on the Jazz Pipes. I have everyone of his albums and CDs. Dan married our former editor of the Eastern Massachusetts Pipes ATOS newsletter daughter. He is truly one nice man. Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: Potential conflict of interest From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:49:56 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- Specifically, if a warranted problem occurred, would the organist: 1. report the problem to the appropriate church committee for action which would cost his/her "day" job employer money, 2. quietly hide the problem until after the warranty expires thus saving his/her "day" job money, or 3. it would never happen?   I know several organists who work for organ builders. First, I think if there was a problem with the organ, the organist would be the one to want it fixed more than anyone else, rather than hide it. Second I don't know of any organbuilder that wouldn't be happy to solve any problems with a still-under-warranty organ. That's why the warranty is there, because the builder knows there shouldn't be any such problems. If I was working for a builder that asked me to cover any problems with an organ I play or someone else's I service for the purpose of saving the company money, I think I would find another builder to work for.   I hope this is just hypothetical thinking, and not hinting at a problem somewhere out in the world.....     Brent Johnson Go Visit ORGANLive - Going online soon! http://www.organclassifieds.com/organlive The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:57:23 EDT   In a message dated 8/2/2003 11:46:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = DudelK@aol.com writes:   > That raises an interesting somewhat similar question. What does one make = of > the situation when a "consultant" always winds up recommending the same > builder for every church and is frequently retained to play the = dedicatory > recital as well? > Enquiring minds are curious.   AMEN!   dale    
(back) Subject: Music for a wedding From: "Doug Hendsbee" <dhendsbee@accesswave.ca> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:38:35 -0300   Hello everyone.   I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions for processionals / = recessionals for a wedding other than the standard pieces used.   Thanks   Doug Hendsbee    
(back) Subject: RE: Potential conflict of interest From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:49:30 -0400   I was at the ALbany AGO and was told that the CAtholic cathedral there had an organist that was a Rogers represetnataive and when the pipe organ got damaged replaced a CATHEDRAL organ with a Rogers. Fortunately, the new organist is gonna rectify this problem and havae the pipe organ rebuilt as part of the renovation of the chruch, but I was incensed thatr someone = would replac e cathedral organ with a toaster. The same happened to many pipe organs at Catholic churches in the area at the time as well. We visited = one of them. the pipe organ sat there but they played a Rogers. All this = said, I think it's ok to have an organbuilder rep as organist as long as it's = not a rep of a toaster comany at the main church in the diocese that can = destroy everything.   Andrew Meagher -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Wuxuzusu@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:32 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Potential conflict of interest     Greetings all,   Several friends and I were recently discussing organists and organ building, and the conversation came around to church organists who work = for the organ company installing or reinstalling an organ in the church he/she plays for.   Specifically, if a warranted problem occurred, would the organist: 1. report the problem to the appropriate church committee for action which would cost his/her "day" job employer money, 2. quietly hide the problem until after the warranty expires thus saving his/her "day" job money, or = 3. it would never happen?   Has anyone ever heard of a conflict of interest when the church organist also works for the company building/rebuilding that church's pipe organ.   If it has happened, would the organ committee insist on a "No conflict = of interest" clause to be included in the purchase contract?   Please, NO FLAMING! We were just curious.   Musically,   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:37:14 -0400   On 8/2/03 4:38 PM, "Doug Hendsbee" <dhendsbee@accesswave.ca> wrote:   > I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions for processionals / > recessionals for a wedding other than the standard pieces used. > =3D20   Just about anything (I don=3DB9t know what the =3DB3standard pieces=3DB2 = are where you are); but I=3DB9m glad I can be smart-ass about it because I know = you=3DB9ll get some genuinely great suggestions from people far more competent than I. = (A=3D n indication of your denomination, or your parish musical tradition, would = be helpful. Or maybe you already thought of that, and decided not to mention it, for some reason.)   Cultural context helps.   Alan www.stlukesnyc.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:46:36 EDT   Hi: Virgil Fox did a two record set for Decca with several processionals and recessionals...Paul of Peter, Paul and Mary wrote some great pieces as = well as some tunes by the Carpenters. In the old Congregational Hymnal there are several wonderful tunes as = well. Hope this helps. Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:03:52 EDT   Michael McCabe - Two Trumpet Tunes (C Major - A Major) - Belwin Mills Craig Stellar Lang (C. S. Lang) - Tuba Tune (D Major) - Oxford University Press Wedding Music (for Manuals) - Oxford University Press Music for Weddings (at least 20 fine pieces for services/recitals) - = Oxford Univ. Press Trumpet Tunes (about 30 pieces all delightful and very useable) - Belwin Mills An Album of Praise (Festal Flourish/Gordon Jacob; Festival Voluntary/Flor =   Peeters; Voluntary in D Major/Healey Willan) - Oxford University Press   No <chuckle>, I'm not an Oxford University Press employee, engraver, stockholder or board member; for years and years they have had -- and = still have -- their act together and promote fine church/recital music for our beloved instrument.   Dale G. Rider, MSM, CAGO Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:09:56 -0400   On 8/2/03 6:46 PM, "Swedish5702@aol.com" <Swedish5702@aol.com> wrote:   > Paul of Peter, Paul and Mary wrote some great pieces as well as some = tune=3D s by > the Carpenters. In the old Congregational Hymnal there are several = wonder=3D ful > tunes as well. >=3D20 Great recommendations, actually. But I guess that=3DB9s why I asked for = more information. What=3DB9s ideal in one situation is just unTHINKable in = another. So DISH!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 16:34:42 -0700   "War March of the Priests" by Mendelssohn makes a nice LONG recessional if you don't want to change pieces after the bridal party has left the church; and there are numerous repeats, so you can tailor the length to the occasion.   There's a VERY playable transcription in "Everybody's Favorite Organ Music", if that's still in print.   It's CONSIDERABLY easier than the transcription of the FULL Mendelssohn Wedding March ... I used to have a FAIRLY playable version of THAT, but I lost it somewhere along the line.   I often use the Wesley "Choral Song" in the orange-and-green Concordia Wedding Music book.   Not necessarily for a wedding, but just for fun, does anybody have a transcription of the Throne Room Scene at the end of the first Star Wars movie? (grin)   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Philip Thibault" <pthibaul@maine.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:40:43 -0400   John Rose recorded this in the early 70's--a 33 1/3 LP--boy was he young at the time--he is at Trinity College in Hartford--     > Not necessarily for a wedding, but just for fun, does anybody have a > transcription of the Throne Room Scene at the end of the first Star Wars > movie? (grin) > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:40:11 -0500   Richard Webster at St. Luke's, Evanston, played his own transcription of the Throne Room piece in his organ CD (JAV 125). You might try contacting him for a copy. I think it sounds better on the organ than it does in the film!   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Music for a wedding     > Not necessarily for a wedding, but just for fun, does anybody have a > transcription of the Throne Room Scene at the end of the first Star Wars > movie? (grin) >    
(back) Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:44:52 EDT   The REAL jazz organists of the day are Larry Goldings, Dan Trudell, Joey DeFrancesco, and Mel Rhyne.    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:47:08 -0500   Check out the casette recording made by Robert Anderson on one of our organs. It is sold by the AGO, and listed in TAO. I will soon be reissued in CD format. Roy Redman   Doug Hendsbee wrote:   > Hello everyone. I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions for > processionals / recessionals for a wedding other than the standard > pieces used. Thanks Doug Hendsbee    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:46:47 EDT   Alan: Gordon Young has a book of organ material that could be easily adapted = for weddings. In some cases double beats where there are single and if it is a big = church just up the tempo. I remember doing Prelude In A Classic Style and the congregation loved it. I even did a little slowing it down and a wedding = party used it. Hope that helps. Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:51:45 -0400   On 8/2/03 7:34 PM, "quilisma@socal.rr.com" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote:   > just for fun, does anybody have a transcription of the Throne Room Scene at > the end of the first Star Wars movie?   Bud is being naughty. They should have "kept him on."   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:51:44 EDT   Hi: Not to be smart. Which Day? Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:57:28 EDT   Bach Preludes and fugues in G (both), Eb, D, C etc...F major Toccata and Fugue.... in the fugue you can use a full plenum down to 16' prestant in = the manuals, and 32' in the pedal!.all are joyous and stately!! The fugues = will allow the whole church to empty. By the way-lets not forget the Virgil Fox definition of a fugue: A composotion in which voices enter one by one, and = audience members leave two by two. hahah gfc    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:01:54 -0400   On 8/2/03 7:57 PM, "Gfc234@aol.com" <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote:   > lets not forget the Virgil Fox definition of a fugue: A composotion in = wh=3D ich > voices enter one by one, and audience members leave two by two. >=3D20 I didn=3DB9t know that one! Thanks!   Alan