PipeChat Digest #3846 - Sunday, August 3, 2003
 
RE: Music for a wedding
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
good news / bad news
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3845 - 08/02/03
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
IRC
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
pipe organ jazz artists
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Music for a wedding
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?3
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?
  by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net>
Re: Subject: A Sultry Day in New York
  by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
RE: Music for a wedding
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Consultants, etc
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
RE: Music for a shotgun wedding
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
New Wedding music
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
New wedding music
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Where did the organ go?
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Music for a wedding From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:11:32 -0400   just some suggestions:   Tuba Tune by Norman Cocker Marche Pontifical (Movement III from Organ Symphony I) Widor Marche Nuptial form 24 pieces in Style Libre by Louis Vierne Final to Symphony #1 Louis Vierne (only for recessional) Final to Symphony #2 Charle-Marie Widor (only for recessional) Fanfare by Jacque Lemmens (recessional only) Prelude & Fugue in B Major Marcel Dupre (recessional only) Carillon Marcell Dupre (recessional only) Trumpet Minuet Alfred Hollins   That's all for now..lol   Andrew Meagher -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Gfc234@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:57 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Music for a wedding     Bach Preludes and fugues in G (both), Eb, D, C etc...F major Toccata and Fugue.... in the fugue you can use a full plenum down to 16' prestant in = the manuals, and 32' in the pedal!.all are joyous and stately!! The fugues = will allow the whole church to empty. By the way-lets not forget the Virgil = Fox definition of a fugue: A composotion in which voices enter one by one, and audience members leave two by two. hahah gfc    
(back) Subject: good news / bad news From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:58:15 -0700   First, the good news:   I went to the doctor for a checkup, since I'll lose my health insurance at the end of the month, and I don't know how soon I'll get MediCal ... both my blood pressure AND my heart rate were DOWN by 20 points. The stress of working at St. Matthew's WAS going to kill me, sooner than later.   The bad news:   (1) We still haven't found a place in San Diego, though the majority of our stuff has been moved to a storage locker down there. But we're eligible for housing because of Burgie's illness (something we could never get in Orange County), and THEY regard us as a family unit. Fancy that!   (2) Our intrepid li'l surfer truck decided to blow something, to the tune of $500 we don't have, but we had to have it fixed.   This too shall pass ...   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3845 - 08/02/03 From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:17:35 -0400   Bud may or may not be naughty, but I have played the Throne Room march at at least two weddings, always (so far) by request of the groom. The first time was the wedding of two young seminary students who are now ordained Methodist ministers with their own congregations. And it gets naughtier. Two years ago, I played (by request of the groom) the theme from Rocky. That one was hard to swallow, even for me. At my own brother's wedding, I played Sousa's Liberty Bell March, not because anyone was a Sousa fan, but strictly because of the Monty Python connection. I've done the theme from Superman, As Time Goes By from Casablanca, and the Ride of the Valkyries. For stuff like this, I never bother to look for arrangements. Personally, I find it much easier to listen to the record a few times and work it out myself. To each his own, eh? At least in the Methodist church. ;-)   -WG     > Subject: Re: Music for a wedding > From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> > Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:51:45 -0400 > > On 8/2/03 7:34 PM, "quilisma@socal.rr.com" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote: > > > just for fun, does anybody have a transcription of the Throne Room Scene at > > the end of the first Star Wars movie? > > Bud is being naughty. They should have "kept him on." > > Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:27:21 EDT   In a message dated 8/2/03 4:44:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dhendsbee@accesswave.ca writes:   << I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions for processionals / recessionals for a wedding other than the standard pieces used. >>   A couple of pieces NOT to play come to mind. The first is "Rise Up, O Men of God" - might be too much snickering in the congregation. The second was requested by a high school friend who had my brass group play at her wedding. She didn't remember the name of the piece, but remembered the melody. She hummed a few bars of the tune, and I broke out laughing. She wanted to know what was so funny. I reminded her of the title of that piece: "Turn Back O Man, Forswear thy Foolish Ways", by G. Holst.  
(back) Subject: IRC From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:27:31 -0400   I'm on - if anyone cares to join me,   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: pipe organ jazz artists From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:37:32 EDT   Fats has several organ recordings out. One, a Fats Waller LP "In London" = has Waller playing his "stuff" on a pipe organ. Another, "Fats and His = Buddies" has quite a few tracks with Waller playing the famed RCA Estey in Camden, = NJ. Both are real showstoppers.   Also, the pipe organ world is aware of the famed Billy Nalle, now retired, =   whose performances before cheering AGO and ATOS audiences are legendary.   One contemporary artist is Dan Bellomy who has made several recordings in = the jazz idiom at the Long Island University Wurlitzer pipe organ.   Musically, Stan Krider   In a message dated 08/02/2003 8:13:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dreddnott@yahoo.com writes:   > Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3844 - 08/02/03 > From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> > Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 09:54:22 -0400 > > I have a great recording of Fats Waller "playing" a Compton theater = organ, > issued many > years ago by MHS. It was made in England from piano rolls Waller had = cut in > the > 1920s. I would love to what hear he would have done if he knew he was > playing the > organ! > > >Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? > >From: "Jacob Bartle" <dreddnott@yahoo.com> > >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:06:15 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I've only been playing jazz for a year - I perform on my upright bass > >with several groups at a community college and can't help but have a > >blast expressing myself so blatantly. The primary reason I'm writing to > >the list instead of gleaning out of the vast amount of information you > >guys put out every day is this - does anyone know of any recordings of > >jazz tunes or jazz artists playing on real pipe organs? Or does the > >general timbre of jazz tend to make it sound unappealing? >      
(back) Subject: Re: Music for a wedding From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:39:48 -0400   It's an excellent old joke. Porter Heaps used it too, among others.   Subject:   > From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> > On 8/2/03 7:57 PM, "Gfc234@aol.com" <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote: > > lets not forget the Virgil Fox definition of a fugue: A composotion in which > > voices enter one by one, and audience members leave two by two. > > > I didn't know that one! Thanks! > > Alan    
(back) Subject: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ?3 From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:43:54 EDT   Do they perform on pipes as well as the usual electronic instruments?   Stan Krider   In a message dated 08/02/2003 8:13:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gfc234@aol.com writes: > > > The REAL jazz organists of the day are Larry Goldings, Dan Trudell, Joey =   > DeFrancesco, and Mel Rhyne. >      
(back) Subject: Re: Hey, ain't that called JAZZ? From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:46:39 -0500   Jacob writes "Modern tries to expand the definition of crap, post-modern questions the importance of being crap, and contemporary is crap on purpose, because it sells. :D "   GREAT! Can I quote you? Amy    
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: A Sultry Day in New York From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:46:59 -0500   Thanks to several of you who replied to my request. It has been very helpful. Why didn't I hit on that when I used Google I wonder. Y'all = came through for me. Amy    
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:48:59 -0400   Richard Burt wrote: <It is broadbased, ...in my opinion, outside the church, using church people's money to fuel it. Some have suggested that "The =3D Devil is doing it to us." <grins> Don't be too quick to give Satan =3D credit for that one, ...he is smart enough to let us wallow in our own =3D vomit without having to use his own influence and energies.>   A sad contemporary view of the source of evil. Satan does not want the = =3D credit for his evil work. He'd much rather have that credit go to the =3D Christians he uses for his purposes, both clergy and laity. We stick =3D our heads in the sand at our own peril. When we leave Satan out of =3D the equation as the cause of the problem, we then, too often, leave God = =3D out of the equation as the Solution.     Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at =3D20 HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i=3D20 and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D3D473FAAG381F58  
(back) Subject: RE: Music for a wedding From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:51:28 -0400   You wouldn't want to play "Rise up o Men of God" at a UCC church. they = are really into inclusive an PC stuff and "men" isn't all inclusive.   Andrew Meagher   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of ContraReed@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:27 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Music for a wedding     In a message dated 8/2/03 4:44:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dhendsbee@accesswave.ca writes:   << I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions for processionals / recessionals for a wedding other than the standard pieces used. >>   A couple of pieces NOT to play come to mind. The first is "Rise Up, O Men of God" - might be too much snickering in the congregation. The second was requested by a high school friend who had my brass group play at her wedding. She didn't remember the name of the piece, but remembered the melody. She hummed a few bars of the tune, and I broke out laughing. She wanted to know what was so funny. I reminded her of the title of that piece: "Turn Back O = Man, Forswear thy Foolish Ways", by G. Holst. "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Consultants, etc From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:02:11 -0400   In a message dated 8/2/2003 11:46:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D DudelK@aol.com=3D20 writes:   > That raises an interesting somewhat similar question. What does one =3D make of the situation when a "consultant" always winds up recommending = =3D the same builder for every church and is frequently retained to play =3D the dedicatory recital as well?>   There are two ways to look at this anomaly, the most obvious (to me) =3D being that the consultant is very often a person of some local celebrity = =3D and a "friend" of the church who is hired as consultant because of his =3D standing in the community and for the dedicatory recital for the same =3D reason.   I know of a situation in which three different churches over a period of = =3D a few years used the same consultant, selected different builders (with = =3D remarkably similar specifications), but the same salesman who was =3D representing a different company each time.   Another way to look at the situation is that the consultant has a =3D favorite builder and, in some cases, the cost of the dedicatory recital = =3D is "absorbed as a gift" in the cost of the organ.   Of course, there is the old "commission" bugaboo.=3D20     Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Unkie...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at =3D20 HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i=3D20 and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D3D473FAAG381F58  
(back) Subject: RE: Music for a shotgun wedding From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 03:07:00 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   I was just thinking "Men" (as you do!)and I was reminded of a delightful musical joke:-   Young girl goes to the front door of a London house in the 1940's and knocks on the door.   A maid opens the door and says, "Can I help you my dear?"   The girl answers, "Is doctor in?"   "No", replies the lady, "Dr Vaughan Williams is away orchestrating the 'Men of Harlech'.   The girl replies in a welsh acccent, "Well, you'd better tell him that he's 6 months too late!"   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- andrew meagher <ameagher@stny.rr.com> wrote: > You wouldn't want to play "Rise up o Men of God" at > a UCC church. they are > really into inclusive an PC stuff and "men" isn't > all inclusive.     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: New Wedding music From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:11:00 -0400   From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:03:52 EDT   <Dale Krider suggested Craig Stellar Lang (C. S. Lang) - Tuba Tune (D =3D Major)?]>   This is a wonderful piece, but I wonder each time I play it through and = =3D through and through...   Why didn't Lang write and ENDING for this piece? It always sounds as =3D though the "needle was lifted."   Interesting alternatives to the "usual" processions I've had good luck =3D recommending are more quiet pieces, such as the "Air" from Handel's =3D "Water Music." There are some wonderfully delicate "marches" by =3D Telemann (published by Concordia - Heroick Music for Organ and Trumpet) = =3D that are delightful (recorded in part by EP Biggs).   In a pinch, many gentle melodies will work and lend an air of quiet =3D elegance to the ceremony, saving the chamade for the trip out! =3D20   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at =3D20 HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i=3D20 and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D3D473FAAG381F58  
(back) Subject: New wedding music From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:14:04 -0400   On 8/2/03 6:46 PM, "<Swedish5702@aol.com> wrote:   > Paul of Peter, Paul and Mary wrote some great pieces as well as some =3D tunes by the Carpenters. ..."   True....=3D20   One of my favorites which I used when a minister demanded "8 bars" for =3D the procession from the nave to the chancel is a delightful little fugue = =3D from The Carpenters TV album. It had, however, the unfortunate title =3D of....   "We'll be right back after we go to the bathroom"   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at =3D20 HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i=3D20 and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D3D473FAAG381F58  
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:36:02 -0500   Hello, Bruce: You wrote: > A sad contemporary view of the source of evil. Satan > does not want the credit for his evil work. He'd much > rather have that credit go to the Christians he uses > for his purposes, both clergy and laity. We stick > our heads in the sand at our own peril. When we > leave Satan out of the equation as the cause of the > problem, we then, too often, leave God out of the > equation as the Solution. Interesting observations, Bruce. However, remember that Saint Paul, himself, said that most Christians don't need to be enticed by Satan to err, ...we are led astray by our own lusts, (Paul said). So, I was merely riding the categorical train (of thought) to keep the real source of "Contemporary Evil Music" <grins> where it belongs; ....with those of us who insist on using it without thought to its source or destination. I am with you. Satan is the Evil One, the Prince of Darkness and the principalities and powers of the air. It is almost time for "PipeDreams." Think I'll lean back in my recliner and listen for something old, something new, ...maybe something "blue." Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Where did the organ go? From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 02:05:34 EDT   Sorry about that last "empty" posting!   This thread reminds me of something that happened early in this summer. Once a year we let the youth conduct both Sunday morning services. This = year they didn't even THINK of using the organ for any part of the either services. On a normal Sunday it would be entirely the opposite. Not only = that, they were allowed to sing whatever they wanted, unlike our full time choir = director who regularly gets her hymn choices overruled because of lack of = familiarity with the congregation. They chose an opening "chorus" that was written in =   2002, and more than obviously NOT written for a choir to try to sing, much = less a piano or organ to play. The chancel choir DID sing, to try to help the congregation through it, however, even they thought it was boring and = UN-exiting. As far as responsive readings and congregational call to worship, they DID = do them. Except they DIDN'T use the Apostles Creed, nor any other elegant reading provided in the United Methodist Hymnal. They wrote something = that was "cool" and "fresh." As far as the responsive reading went, I was = SURPRISED about that. They didn't want to do the choral call to prayer, or the choral response.   It seems like some things they have been taught to do, and they will = always do them, but some things have gotten so very relaxed that the actual = meaning of the event gets left out. I didn't know what to think after the service = was over. Mind you, they only get the opportunity to conduct a service once a =   year. Should we be supportive of the way they do it? Should we let them = think that what is "cool" and "in" at other churches right now, should be = something that is "okay" at our church for right now? I mean, I WANT to be = supportive. Nothing makes me happier than to see youth that ARE interested in church, = and who are very active in church! Every Sunday we have a choice of many = acolytes to help us conduct our services. Each year we have so much participation = from the younger people in handbells, handchimes, and many other youth and children's choirs.   Things are great with my church right now, the music is beautiful and uplifting, and we have more than enough participation in the music = department. But as the organist in me looks forward in time, I am afraid of what church = will be like when these same youth are adults in this particular United Methodist Church, and ARE the pastors, and program staff, and music directors, and musicians.   My previous organ professor Dr. Ronald Hough, turned down his church when they asked him to accompany the band on the elegant and large Aeolian = Skinner for their "contemporary" service. He has made me aware than their main = services are not what they used to be, and the "contemporary" service is doing = great. What happens when ALL the services at that church are contemporary? Does = the organist finally accept that things change and reduce the stature of the = grand Aeolian Skinner by playing with a "praise and worship team," or let the magnificent instrument sit there unplayed?   I often wonder: will we have to live with the change, and accept this new-coming era in worship? Will it come and eventually spread to every = church when the new generation takes over? What do we, as organists, DO about it, if = it comes to our church? Will the "King of instruments" soon be dethroned?   These are my thoughts   josh