PipeChat Digest #3859 - Thursday, August 7, 2003
Re: Favorite reeds
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Favorite Reed
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Favorite Reed
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Favorite Reed
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Favorite Reed
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Favorite Reeds
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: Ripon
  by "Mark Turnbull" <mark.turnbull@bbc.co.uk>
RE: Ripon
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>

(back) Subject: Re: Favorite reeds From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:48:57 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Favorite reeds     > Hi! > Hmmm...interesting. Just curious, and not trying to insult your > opinion or anything....but have you heard Skinner reeds pre- GDH? My > church has an unaltered 1923 Skinner, 4/43,op. 443 and the reeds (esp. > oboe, clarinet, french horn, vox), are just as beautiful if not more > than any GDH stuff I've heard. Besides, the way I understood it is that > GDH didn't mess with any of Skinner's signature stops when he began his > time with the company, he merely tolerated them. "GDH Skinner" reeds are > really just Skinner reeds.Interestingly enough, as fary as my opinion is > concerned, having played several unaltered Skinners and read about both > the Skinner and Aeolian Skinners, I think GDH should've stayed in > England or come here and started his own company rather than wrecking > what Skinner had done. I also think that he should never have been let > near a Skinner instrument. Flame away, if you will, but these are my > opinions.   Fred Brockbank, Skinner's reed voicer in the pre-GDH era certainly produced some amazing work, probably at least equal to what was achieved by Oscar Pearson in later years. Pearson, as much as Harrison, was responsible for the sound of the later Aeolian-Skinner reeds. His origins are interesting in so far as he came up through the former Steere shop at Westfield, Mass. The Aeolian-Skinner No. 2 (English) Trumpet is in fact identical in every respect to the old J.W. Steere & Sons Swell Cornopean. Trumpet shallots were also used in the Aeolian-Skinner Cromorne. In my opinion the main problem with GDH reeds is that they are rather too quinty. This problem can easily be fixed by changing the slotting.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Reed From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:32:12 EDT   one more favorite reed:   my growing p church had a 1931 Aeolian 3/46 the reeds were: 16 Posaune (Sw and Pd) 8 Trumpet 8 Oboe 8 Vox 4 Clarion 8 TROMBA 8 French Horn 8 ORchestral Oboe 8 Clarinet 8 English Horn   my favorite were the 8 ranks of celestes but i would die for the French Horn and Tromba....   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Reed From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:36:39 EDT   I forgot, 2 open wood 16s and a violone and the 16 reed was enclosed with the swell making for wonderful cresc effects.   God love the 30's....   dale    
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Reed From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:02:35 -0500   Hi all: After hearing many reeds, and preferring orchestral voices....and =3D putting on a fire-proof suit...I nominate an Aeolian free reed Clarinet! = =3D   BAF II  
(back) Subject: Waltham/Boston From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:22:06 -0400   Dear List:   I recently took the Music Director position at St. Mary R.C. Church in Waltham, MA, a very near suburb to Boston. The church building is about 150 years old, the seventh oldest in the archdiocese. The organ is a 3-manual Hook & Hastings of about 30 stops more or less 103 years old. It is substantially unchanged (except that in a recent restoration a Skinner console was put on it; the original is still in the organ loft but could not be used), and according to Barbara Owen is one of the first H&H to have electric action. It is a wonderful instrument in a wonderful room, with an appreciative pastor and congregation, and a tradition of good music (as we listers use the term).   In order to get more exposure for the instrument, I am casting about to see if there is enough interest among organists to warrant having recitals. Our Saturday "evening" mass is at 4 p.m. (barely evening, but anyway...), so I was thinking that a 20 minute program just before mass would net a captive audience. The response so far has been encouraging.   If anyone on the list is passing through Boston and might be interested, email me privately for more info. Let me be up front, however, that there is no financial backing for this at the present, so any remuneration would probably be from free-will offerings. Given the present state of archdiocesan finances, I seriously doubt if the pastor (even one as supportive and appreciative as this one) would agree to any set fee. Please, no flaming on that issue.   Thanks.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Reed From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:23:53 -0500   Not really a "favorite reed" as much as a "favorite reed experience", but here 'tis anyway --   First Baptist Congregational Church in Chicago IL (built as Union Park Congregational) contains W. W. Kimball's KPO 6949 of 1927. This magnificent instrument includes both a 32' Bombarde and a 32' Diaphone. The massive (full length, non-mitered) bottom octave pipes of these two stops stand along the rear wall of the chambers, with both the CCCC pipes in the center. (in fact, the tops of one set serve as "stairs" between the 3rd and 4th inner levels of the organ -- don't drop the tuning knife on the way up!)   Several years ago, I was fortunate to be able to tour this organ. Upon discovering this arrangement, and the fact that I could stand atop both of these enormous 32' pipes, easily and securely...   well, how could I resist but to yell out for someone at the console to *play* both of those pipes, while I was perched up there...???!! :-)   The only word that even comes close to being able to describe the feeling is...   WOW.   Cheers!   Tim   PS -- both stops sound pretty glorious from the auditorium too, for that matter, when they're busy thundering away underneath the rest of the full organ...!                  
(back) Subject: Re: Favorite Reeds From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:35:07 EDT   Bud made mention of a small Johnson organ with a beautiful Oboe. At the Stafford Springs Methodist Church, Stafford Springs, CT, there is a = wonderful medium sized 2 man Johnson and Son organ and the Oboe on the Swell is the = only reed on the organ. It serves a dual role as solo stop and ensemble. It = is a beautiful little reed.   I am amazed everytime I play that organ at how much power it has and how = much brilliance it has for only having one 2' stop. The Great chorus is = complete, however, in that it has a 2 2/3' Quint that will fool you into thinking = that there is a mixture on. Those old builders sure knew what they were doing. = They could voice all sorts of color and brilliance into a rank without it = ever being overpowering or screechy.   Beau was talking about the E.M. Skinner reeds. I have played some = unaltered EM's and found them to be a little on the coarse side. I think G. Donald = just refined things. I'm not saying that EM's organs were bad, I really do = like them, but I like what G. Donald did a little more. EM did some great = things with developing stops, especially reeds like the French Horn.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: RE: Ripon From: "Mark Turnbull" <mark.turnbull@bbc.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:49:25 +0100   I don't wish to be picky, but ripon is a cathedral, indeed the oldest cathedral in england   -----Original Message----- From: Colin Mitchell [mailto:cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:19 To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Ripon     Hello,   I have to correct Mark re: Ripon MINSTER (!)   The pipe organ is a four manual instrument of about 70 speaking stops originally built by T C Lewis, the re-built by Harrison & Harrison of Durham with increased reed pressures for the Tubas and other reeds.   It still gives a good account of itself; especially in accompaniment work.   As I am currently in Holland (Rotterdam) I do not have access to my notes. However, anyone can check for themselves if they search under NPOR. This will direct them to the web site of the National Pipe Organ Register. It can be a bit tricky to use, so the best type of search is just to type in the name of a town such as RIPON. This will bring up all the instruments in that town, but scrolling through will reveal the details required.   Hope this helps.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Mark Turnbull <mark.turnbull@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > hello,. > they have two. > i believe. > one a makin, > t'other one is an older one, but still works as i > understand, built by > the legendary harrison and harrison. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [mailto:pianoman1@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 05 August 2003 11:13 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Ripon > > > Hello, > > Do any of you fine folk have any information on the > organ in Ripon > Cathedral (UK)?? > > I suspect you will Colin!! > > Paul.   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/   This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.    
(back) Subject: RE: Ripon From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:29:09 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Mmmmmmm!   I think Ripon Minster only became a cathedral in 1836 or 1863.....can't remember which!   In my total ignorance, I cannot remember what the description of a minster is, but Ripon was one from the earliest days of its foundation, along with York Minster and Howden Minster also in Yorkshire. (Something to do with ecclestiastical courts etc)   Indeed, the diocese of Ripon was created from the splitting up of the York Diocese due to population growth in the industrial areas such as Leeds.   You guessed that I am not an expert in ecclestiastical matters...thank God!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Mark Turnbull <mark.turnbull@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > I don't wish to be picky, but ripon is a cathedral, > indeed the oldest > cathedral in england     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/