PipeChat Digest #3861 - Thursday, August 7, 2003
 
Re: practice possibilities: HELP!
  by <Shiresvillebone@aol.com>
Re: practice possibilities: HELP!
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Waltham/Boston
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Voxes
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Waltham/Boston
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
How chest actions affect reed tone
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
our THURSDAY regular/irregular live chat on IRC
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03
  by "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Ripon
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
SEEKING FEIBEL'S "NUTCRACKER" TRANSCRIPTION (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: SEEKING FEIBEL'S "NUTCRACKER" TRANSCRIPTION (x post)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Ripon
  by "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: Pipe Organ Publicity in Nova Scotia
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: Ripon Minster
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: practice possibilities: HELP!
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Re: practice possibilities: HELP!
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Ripon
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: practice possibilities: HELP! From: <Shiresvillebone@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:13:16 EDT   Hey Tom,   I am actually, literally, in the same position. I live about 30 = minutes=3D20 from my church (in Philly as well, center city), and I hardly have the = time=3D20=3D to=3D20 get up there to practice. I am not sure how great this is, but here is = wha=3D t I=3D20 do:   -I spend the week practicing all my stuff on the piano, include = finger=3D20 substitutions and everything (use NO sustain pedal for a better legato = feel) -I look over the pedal parts and figure out the pedalling, then practice = an=3D20 approximation at home with no pedals. =3D20 -I go to the church on Saturdays and spend time putting it all together. -Pray for the best on Sundays!!   Hope that helps, JP     In a message dated 8/7/03 5:09:52 PM, tcarter215@yahoo.com writes:     > Hello all: >=3D20 > I'm an organist in the Philadelphia area, who happens > to play for a church a good 45 minutes from my > home...working nonmusically 9-5, this kind of commute > (not to mention heavy use of the sanctuary for other > purposes and a lack of respect for the time I block > out on the calendar for organ practice) - make it > difficult to find adequate practice time.=3DA0 Problem is, > I live in an apartment with a narrow entrance, and > don't have a lot of extra $$$ for a practice > instrument.=3DA0 Any suggestions or leads would be greatly > appreciated >=3D20 > Many thanks, > Tom >=3D20 >=3D20      
(back) Subject: Re: practice possibilities: HELP! From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:23:26 -0700   I'm thinking cheap used here:   If you can find a used analog Rodgers 700 (self-contained), they make good practice organs. Not a bad sound, either, and they have a headphone jack.   If all you want is a practice machine and don't care that much about the SOUND, there's the odd small Baldwin out there with an AGO console ... NOT a Model 5 or 5a, though ... the touch will drive you crazy (grin).   A Hammond RT-3 would fit through your doorway, probably, but the pedalboard's just ENOUGH off to be a nuisance, unless you're used to going from standard to non-standard pedal-boards.   Unfortunately, most Conns have ENORMOUS consoles, and weigh a TON.   There were some Gulbransen theatre organs with AGO consoles, but they REFUSE to stay in TUNE.   Occasionally I see a small 2m Allen theatre organ with an AGO console .... that might work.   Have you tried The Church Organ Trader at   http://www.keyboardtrader.com/   or George Butterfield at Organ Stop in San Diego? He ships all over the country, for pretty cheap, evidently. Their website is:   http://www.organstop.com/classified.htm   Cheers,   Bud               tom carter wrote: > Hello all: > > I'm an organist in the Philadelphia area, who happens > to play for a church a good 45 minutes from my > home...working nonmusically 9-5, this kind of commute > (not to mention heavy use of the sanctuary for other > purposes and a lack of respect for the time I block > out on the calendar for organ practice) - make it > difficult to find adequate practice time. Problem is, > I live in an apartment with a narrow entrance, and > don't have a lot of extra $$$ for a practice > instrument. Any suggestions or leads would be greatly > appreciated > > Many thanks, > Tom > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Waltham/Boston From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:34:23 -0400   Dear David and List,   From experience, my feeling is that your proposed format will not work very well. One example well-known to me concerned a church in Baltimore that produced a very lovely Evensong each week at 5 p.m. They offered a recital at 4:15 each week for a time, but both players and audience complained mightily about trying to listen to or play a concert as people walked in for Evensong, chatting amiably. The ushers gently and silently asked for quiet with gentle suggestion, perhaps a finger to the lips, as people came in, to no avail. In the simple act of walking in throughout the concert, the mood was destroyed. The church ended up offering the concerts after Evensong (like, for example, St. Thomas, Fifth Avenue in NY - concerts there are at 5:15, after 4 p.m. Evensong.) I'm afraid at St. T's, there is usually a pretty great exodus after the usually very well attended Evensong. There is, to be sure, some movement coming in as well. I think the worst place of all to hear a recital of a Sunday is St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan. Never again will I go there, after two tries. The recitals are at 4:45, and it is known, if not said, that the first piece ought to be rather loud, as it needs to cover the sound of many feet (and mouths) leaving after the 4 p.m. Mass. Then, one's last piece needs also to be very loud, which, I suppose, it generally is anyway, because the sound of people coming in for the 5:30 Mass is deafening. Here, NO effort is made to quiet things down. In fact, the last recital I attended there included ushers, who had been late getting the printed program out, walking down the aisle as the first piece was playing, practically shouting: "Does anyone need a program?"   Cheers, of sorts,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Waltham/Boston     > Dear List: > > I recently took the Music Director position at St. Mary R.C. Church in > Waltham, MA, a very near suburb to Boston. The church building is about 150 > years old, the seventh oldest in the archdiocese>   <snip>   > In order to get more exposure for the instrument, I am casting about to see > if there is enough interest among organists to warrant having recitals. Our > Saturday "evening" mass is at 4 p.m. (barely evening, but anyway...), so I > was thinking that a 20 minute program just before mass would net a captive > audience. The response so far has been encouraging. >      
(back) Subject: Re: Voxes From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:03:52 EDT   Paul Emmons asked: >Is it kosher to use the vox humana together with the string celestes?   Of course it's acceptable to use the vox with strings....add a 4' Flute = and play a melody in the tenor register....you'll have all the old blue haired =   women reaching for their pocket books for a tissue and their checkbooks! = That is, provided that the Vox isn't hideously ugly or too loud......   Monty    
(back) Subject: Re: Waltham/Boston From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:14:10 -0400   On 8/7/03 5:34 PM, "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:   > From experience, my feeling is that your proposed format will not work very > well. One example well-known to me concerned a church in Baltimore that > produced a very lovely Evensong each week at 5 p.m.   You're hearing the voice of experience. Now, PERHAPS Waltham is enough different from Baltimore that there might be grounds for greater optimism. But . . . don't have your hopes TOO high.   See the recent posts of Felix Hell's recitals in Norway, where attendance was (often) shockingly regrettable.   I've got a pipe organ recital going nut friend who's very familiar with the sociology of Boston and environs; I'll ask his thoughts tomorrow. Not that they'll mean much, but it's worth a try. He's a close friend of the auxiliary bishop (Richard Malone) of the local archdiocese.   Alan      
(back) Subject: How chest actions affect reed tone From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:20:46 EDT   In a message dated 08/06/03 10:31:18 AM, kzrev@rr1.net writes:   "BTW, has anyone else noted how abruptly the reed stops sounding with d-e and e-p actions? The valve snaps shut and the reed doesn't end gracefully--it just stops. Often gives a choppy quality to passages. I think that's one place trackers really shine."   Organbuilders fervently pray for good repetition of their note actions, which requires rapid closure of the valve. Without a decent end to the note, caused by the rapid closure of the valve, phrasing nuances and rapid repetition (or the playing of fast passages without blurring) is not possible. All-electric valve actions behave differently than electropneumatic actions. The valve pads open in an arc (rather than a straight up-and-down motion), and in some instances must travel greater distances in the course of their movement. The manner in which air enters the pipe foot is also different. While many builders find a pronounced "quack" on all-electric valve actions, they seem not to report it with electropneumatic actions. One particular brand of electropneumatic action requires so much return movement of the action that repetition of ANY rank standing on their windchests is problematical. Conversely, you will notice that on mechanical actions, builders use baffles inside the soundboard channels, and cavity-extending devices either at the ends of the note channels or in the reed boots themselves, to avoid sympathetic resonance and serious speech problems. The closing of the pallet can also force air through the channel at the end of a sustained note and cause a reed to squawk rather unattractively (and certainly NOT "gracefully"). The assumption that mechanical action organs are somehow perfect and that organs with assisted actions are their "opposites" has perpetuated many myths about pipe organs and organ music. As long as we are fixated on what a pipe organ should be, and do not factor in what it should do, the instrument and its culture will suffer.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: our THURSDAY regular/irregular live chat on IRC From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:25:49 -0700   9 p.m. USA Eastern Time. Directions how to get there on the pipechat homepage.   SEE YOU THERE!   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03 From: "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:23:16 -0500   Re: Trinity Cathedral Skinner, Cleveland.   I am far behind! What happen to the Skinner in Trinity Cathedral. I last heard the wonderful organ while Dr. Kraft was still there. He was quite elderly at that time but could still manage, very well, the skinner, which then had, I believe, a Schantz Console?   Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03 From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:42:21 -0700   Alan Laufman saved the pipes; the chests are kaput; there's now a Flentrop in the back, and a smaller one in the front.   Cheers,   Bud   GARY JENKINS wrote: > Re: Trinity Cathedral Skinner, Cleveland. > > I am far behind! What happen to the Skinner in Trinity Cathedral. I last > heard the wonderful organ while Dr. Kraft was still there. He was quite > elderly at that time but could still manage, very well, the skinner, which > then had, I believe, a Schantz Console? > > Gary > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: RE: Ripon From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:46:02 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Now I'm being picky!   Ripon Cathedral was built as a church, and then became a Minster. Still known as Ripon Minster, it was only a cathedral after 1836 when the diocese of Ripon was created.   Irrespective of the age of the foundation, the establishment of cathedral status in the 19th century makes Ripon as a Cathedral one of the youngest!!   A Minster does not a Cathedral make! A church such as York Minster is both a minster foundation and a cathedral. There are many minsters which are not cathedrals, such as Howden Minster a few miles south of Ripon and the utterly breathtaking architecture of Beverley Minster about 45 miles to the South East.   Unfortunately, I still don't know what the term "minster" actually means.   :)   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Lefevre Vincent <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be> wrote: > Right you are Mark. See URL > http://www.riponcathedral.org.uk/ > > Vincent from Bruges, Belgium > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org > [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mark > Turnbull > Sent: donderdag 7 augustus 2003 8:49 > To: 'PipeChat' > > I don't wish to be picky, but ripon is a cathedral, > indeed the oldest > cathedral in england > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Mitchell [mailto:cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: 06 August 2003 16:19 > To: PipeChat > Subject: RE: Ripon > > > Hello, > > I have to correct Mark re: Ripon MINSTER (!) > > The pipe organ is a four manual instrument of about > 70 > speaking stops originally built by T C Lewis, the > re-built by Harrison & Harrison of Durham with > increased reed pressures for the Tubas and other > reeds. > > It still gives a good account of itself; especially > in accompaniment work. > > As I am currently in Holland (Rotterdam) I do not > have access to my notes. However, anyone can check > for themselves if they > search under NPOR. This will direct them to the web > site of the National > Pipe Organ Register. It can be a bit tricky to use, > so the best type of > search is just to type in the name of a town such as > RIPON. This will bring > up all the instruments in that town, but scrolling > through will reveal the > details required. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > --- Mark Turnbull <mark.turnbull@bbc.co.uk> > wrote: > > hello,. > > they have two. > > i believe. > > one a makin, > > t'other one is an older one, but still works as i > > understand, built by > > the legendary harrison and harrison. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul [mailto:pianoman1@ntlworld.com] > > Sent: 05 August 2003 11:13 > > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > > Subject: Ripon > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Do any of you fine folk have any information on > the > > organ in Ripon > > Cathedral (UK)?? > > > > I suspect you will Colin!! > > > > Paul. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? > Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ "Pipe Up > and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > BBCi at http://www.bbc.co.uk/ > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential > and may contain > personal views which are not the views of the BBC > unless specifically > stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it > from your system, do > not use, copy or disclose the information in any way > nor act in > reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the > BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further > communication will > signify your consent to this. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: SEEKING FEIBEL'S "NUTCRACKER" TRANSCRIPTION (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:46:50 EDT   Does anyone have the score of Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker Suite" as = transcribed for the Hammond organ by Fred Feibel? It was originally published the = Boston Music Company in 1955 and is out of print.   I am most interested in a copy (or xerox as a last resort) and would be willing to purchase one. Any and all information and assistance will be = greatly appreciated.   Thanks so much in advance.   Scott in Memphis   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Re: SEEKING FEIBEL'S "NUTCRACKER" TRANSCRIPTION (x post) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:04:27 -0700   Scott, have you tried Sibley Library at Eastman ... I imagine they have all SORTS of theatre organ stuff because of the former theatre organ dept.   Cheers,   Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have the score of Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker Suite" as > transcribed for the Hammond organ by Fred Feibel? It was originally > published the Boston Music Company in 1955 and is out of print. > > I am most interested in a copy (or xerox as a last resort) and would be > willing to purchase one. Any and all information and assistance will be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks so much in advance. > > Scott in Memphis > > Scott F. Foppiano > Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.        
(back) Subject: Re: Ripon From: "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:00:52 -0500   On 8/7/03 6:46 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Unfortunately, I still don't know what the term > "minster" actually means.   Colin:   "minster" is a middle English word derived from the old English word: "mynster", itself derived from the old latin word: "monasterium" - monastery.   A "minster", therefore, is a monastery church.   CHEERS! Blair...   _________________________________________ When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. - Abraham Maslow    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03 From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:15:22 -0400   According to a chorister there, some parts were given away after the director of music pulled the fuses. making it inoperable, when the Flentrop, ordered by the prior director of music, arrived.   Surely someone can give the final disposiion of the instrument.   nj    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3860 - 08/07/03 From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:18:08 -0400   Tom,   It sounds like you and your church job are a less than good fit, based on the problem of distance and the even more serious problem of not being = able to depend on getting your scheduled practice time. I would be looking for something else if I were you but in the meantime would rather aggressively take up the scheduling problem with whatever Powers There Be. To expect = you to play without practice time is just not reasonable.   I recently addressed the problem of no convenient place to practice by striking up a modest financial arrangement with a conveniently located = small church with a Casavant I adore. I also (no flames, please) agreed to play = an occasional Sunday (that means once or twice a year) for them at no charge. This makes sense to me since I need a bit of recent playing experience--until I filled in there a few weeks ago I hadn't played in public for more than 30 years. They are also of a denomination which will remain nameless but which generally doesn't take warmly to outsiders. = After several months and the one Sunday freebie they seem to be really warming = up to me, though <g>.   My suggestion is look for a good place to practice, explain your = situation, and then see what you might offer the church in return. It might not have = to be money. Also if you are at all interested in changing jobs, have you talked to people in your local AGO chapter?   HTH,   Emily A.       >Subject: practice possibilities: HELP! >From: "tom carter" <tcarter215@yahoo.com> >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT)   >Hello all:   >I'm an organist in the Philadelphia area, who happens >to play for a church a good 45 minutes from my >home...working nonmusically 9-5, this kind of commute >(not to mention heavy use of the sanctuary for other >purposes and a lack of respect for the time I block >out on the calendar for organ practice) - make it >difficult to find adequate practice time. Problem is, >I live in an apartment with a narrow entrance, and >don't have a lot of extra $$$ for a practice >instrument. Any suggestions or leads would be greatly >appreciated   Many thanks, Tom   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: I studied with... From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:09:57 -0400   At 01:53 PM 8/7/03 -0700, Bud wrote:   >Um, I think it was 1962, and I would have been 18 (grin).   To which I might reply;   Yes, but think of it, Bud was probably still a boy treble!   I was myself, up to the mighty age of 14!   Bob Conway