PipeChat Digest #3864 - Saturday, August 9, 2003
 
Re: organ/piano duets
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: organ/piano duets
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Just a Reminder about IRC
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: organ/piano duets
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: organ/piano duets
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: organ/piano duets
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE:  Piano-organ duet
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: organ/piano duets
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Non topic notification
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: PipeChat :  1st practice instruments
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: Reed Performance
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
practice possibilities--the piano revisited
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: practice possibilities--the piano revisited
  by <Shiresvillebone@aol.com>
Re: How chest actions affect reed tone
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: practice possibilities: HELP!
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: organ/piano duets From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:29:43 -0500   Thanks. I'll pass the word on. With the music library we have on campus, she should be able to find something.   And thanks for titling the message. I was going to title it exactly that but... ;)   Alicia Zeilenga "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:36:12 -0700 Subject: Re: organ/piano duets   > The old G. Schirmer "Blue Book" ... what the heck is the title? "Album > of Organ and Piano Duets"?... has most of the war-horses in it, > arranged > for piano and organ ... The Swan, Ave Maria, the slow movement of the > Pathetique, etc. ... I think it's still in print (Warner Bros?). > > It seems to me there used to be some single numbers in the H.W. Gray > St. > Cecelia Series ... Jesu, Joy, Sheep May Safely Graze, etc., but they're > probably out of print. > > Lorenz used to publish a bunch of things ... you might check their > online catalog. > > If you're adept at improvising, you can just "do" Jesu, Joy, Sheep May > Safely Graze, Ave Maria, etc. ... play the harmonies and let the piano > have the running parts; and then solo out the melody when it comes in. > > If you're near a big public library, check there ... there were some > really fun OLD books with all KINDS of transcriptions. > > I used to play the Mozart Fantasies from the two-piano version ... > there > are LOTS of those books ... that was how symphonies, etc. were issued > in > "popular" form before recordings. > > The Walcha/Schott edition of the Handel organ concerti has the > orchestra > part arranged for a second keyboard instrument, if you have access to > those. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Alicia Zeilenga wrote: > > Hello, > > > > A pianist just asked me if I knew of any piano-organ duets that would > be > > good for a wedding. Does anyone know of anything? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Alicia > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: organ/piano duets From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:43:53 -0500   HI Alicia, I did a piano and organ duet for a wedding and we did Finlandia. What fun, I had a huge 32 contra bourdon in the pedal too and rumbled away. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Re: organ/piano duets     > Thanks. I'll pass the word on. With the music library we have on > campus, she should be able to find something. > > And thanks for titling the message. I was going to title it exactly that > but... ;) > > Alicia Zeilenga > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:36:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: organ/piano duets > > > The old G. Schirmer "Blue Book" ... what the heck is the title? "Album > > of Organ and Piano Duets"?... has most of the war-horses in it, > > arranged > > for piano and organ ... The Swan, Ave Maria, the slow movement of the > > Pathetique, etc. ... I think it's still in print (Warner Bros?). > > > > It seems to me there used to be some single numbers in the H.W. Gray > > St. > > Cecelia Series ... Jesu, Joy, Sheep May Safely Graze, etc., but they're > > probably out of print. > > > > Lorenz used to publish a bunch of things ... you might check their > > online catalog. > > > > If you're adept at improvising, you can just "do" Jesu, Joy, Sheep May > > Safely Graze, Ave Maria, etc. ... play the harmonies and let the piano > > have the running parts; and then solo out the melody when it comes in. > > > > If you're near a big public library, check there ... there were some > > really fun OLD books with all KINDS of transcriptions. > > > > I used to play the Mozart Fantasies from the two-piano version ... > > there > > are LOTS of those books ... that was how symphonies, etc. were issued > > in > > "popular" form before recordings. > > > > The Walcha/Schott edition of the Handel organ concerti has the > > orchestra > > part arranged for a second keyboard instrument, if you have access to > > those. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > Alicia Zeilenga wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > A pianist just asked me if I knew of any piano-organ duets that would > > be > > > good for a wedding. Does anyone know of anything? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Alicia > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > > topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
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(back) Subject: Re: organ/piano duets From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:12:06 EDT   I've heard that Franck wrote for piano and organ duet (probably = harmonium).   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>    
(back) Subject: Re: organ/piano duets From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:16:33 -0500     Bud wrote:   > The old G. Schirmer "Blue Book" ... what the heck is the title? "Album > of Organ and Piano Duets"?... has most of the war-horses in it, arranged > for piano and organ ... The Swan, Ave Maria, the slow movement of the > Pathetique, etc. ... I think it's still in print (Warner Bros?).   Nope. Definitely not WB, unless something extraordinary happened. G. Schirmer's catalog is owned by Music Sales US., but exclusive distribution rights are presently held by Hal Leonard. As I understand it, when G. = Schirmer got out of the production business, they gave distribution rights to HL; = later when MS bought GS, the agreement was in place, but MS did not have the facilities to assume their own production. They would probably have them = now, because of the sequent acquisitions in the U.S. of Waring / Shawnee, and = others, but have renewed the agreement once, presumably under the "if it ain't = broke don't fix it" principle.   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: organ/piano duets From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:29:18 -0700   I remember in that movie about Gilbert & Sullivan and the writing of "The Mikado", there was a scene where "The Lost Chord" (?) was sung as a solo, accompanied by piano and harmonium.   Wasn't there a piano/organ version of Prelude, Fugue, and Variation (Franck?).   I seem to vaguely recall a piano/organ version of Dupre's Cortege and Litany as well. Of course, he wrote a big concerto (?) for piano and organ, probably for his studio, which had a grand piano in addition to the pipe organ, but it's HARD (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > I've heard that Franck wrote for piano and organ duet (probably harmonium). > > Gregory Ceurvorst > M.M. Organ Performance > Northwestern University > Director of Music and Organist > St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL > 847.332.2788 home > 708.243.2549 mobile > gfc234@aol.com        
(back) Subject: RE: Piano-organ duet From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:40:37 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Alicia,   Perhaps duets which were originally written for Harmonium (reed organ) and piano are easier to get. There are some... I don't remember yet if by Saint-Saens or Widor (getting old :)   A thing more: Before your colleague considers a duet on these two instruments make sure that *they are in tuned at the same pitch and temperament*.   Cheers Andres ================================ First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alicia Zeilenga <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:46 PM     > Hello, > > A pianist just asked me if I knew of any piano-organ duets that would be > good for a wedding. Does anyone know of anything? > > Thanks. > > Alicia > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >          
(back) Subject: Re: organ/piano duets From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:45:10 -0400   At 05:29 PM 8/8/03 -0700, Bud wrote:   >I remember in that movie about Gilbert & Sullivan and the writing of "The >Mikado", there was a scene where "The Lost Chord" (?) was sung as a solo, >accompanied by piano and harmonium.   Back in my rather less than stolid younger days, we had a Christmas Song and Dance night in the Church Hall.   We formed a Skiffle Group, - remember those? With the Rector on the tea chest bass, myself on the drums, The Rector's wife was our lead vocalist, whilst the organist and her husband, (also an organist), played piano and harmonium. Our eldest parishioner played her mandoline.   One of the numbers that we played, and sang, was "The Lost Chord" which we never did find! But we had fun looking for it!   Cheers,   Bob Conway        
(back) Subject: Non topic notification From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:46:50 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Folks,   Since last week my server has some strange technical problems and for that I will be out of the other Orgler- list for a time. Fortunatedly I have noted that most people there are subcribed to both lists, so we'll stay in contact thru pipechat until things normalize again. If somebody has written privatedly to me in the last time and gotten no answer or bounced back mail please try again and have a little "tea and patience" :) - only the angels in heaven are perfect, as my Pastor always says. Apologies to the owners for this non topic slipper.   Cheers to all Andres ================================ First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat : 1st practice instruments From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:12:56 -0400   From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 23:28:58 -0400   <An idle thought...what was the first organ you were able to have access to for practice when you started out? >   The first organ that I had regular/home access to for practice was an Emenee 26 not (tc-d) reed organ with a lovely gold facade of molded pipes. Sadly, this original instrument fell victim to the "baroque revival" and the facade disappeared and revoicing rendered it no longer satisfactory. I guess this was my first nudge toward OHS!! I have now, thanks to EBay, secured a vintage replacement which occupies a suitable place of honor!   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=473FAAG381F58      
(back) Subject: Re: Reed Performance From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:47:06 -0500   Blame should be shifted from the reeds and the action to the performer. Back around 1965 when I began study with Benjamin Hadley at Church of the Ascension, Chicago, on their brand new EP 3/65 Schlicker with manual slider chests (pedal was Pitman, IIRC), he immediately showed me how to avoid reeds yipping at you when you release a note. Gently, folks, gently. Works like a charm--be it tracker, EP, or an Allen digital. You have to be sensitive with your touch in both attack and release. You're in control. I can't tell you how many organists don't do/know this, and they all sound like first-year amateurs who haven't begun to learn how to play their instrument.   Robert Lind     ----- Original Message ----- From: First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois <kzrev@rr1.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Reed Performance     > I don't disagree with you, Sebastian, regarding the fact that "the proof > is in the pudding" in the sound and performance of a pipe organ, > regardless of mechanism. That being said, I will still make two > points: > > 1. E-P has always seemed to me to be a Rube Goldberg invention of > needless complexity compared to the simple elegance of either tracker or > electro-mechanical. > > 2. Yes, reeds need to speak quickly, especially for repetitive > passages--but that still doesn't negate my point that I find it quite > unmusical when a reed stops abruptly at the end of a lyrical passage. > It's like trying to nap to Brahms' lullaby played in a staccato > stop-time mode! > > Dennis Steckley      
(back) Subject: practice possibilities--the piano revisited From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:20:35 -0500   Someone mentioned piano practice in an e-mail yesterday, and I'm all for it. For almost 16 years I've been serving a church that is about 40 miles away, and I usually get there only once in between Sundays. I've been an organist since 1954 and have a serviceable pedal technique, thank God, because I demand that I learn new literature every week. Can't stand to repeat or play stuff done in the past. This, too, shall pass, probably, but there is so much good literature out there that I think needs to be heard and played that I push myself to do it.   My trick, to make sure I'm reading everything and digesting everything is to SING the pedal line as I play the manual parts. Once you can do that and sing the part convincingly, you've got a good grasp of the total picture. Working out tricky parts right on your home carpet and exercising your feet and leg muscles, even as you key nasty responses to e-mail lists :-) is a great way to keep in shape.   I could probably find a church organ near me that would be decent enough to practice on, but if you work full-time at a day job, you may have a tough time making arrangements to come and go as you please late at night in a church when you're not a member of the staff. (And also, if you play better than the incumbent organist in the church you're practicing in, there could be some ill will.)   These days I like the piano much more than I did in my teens and twenties, and I buy an awful lot of choir music that should be accompanied by piano rather than organ. We church musicians should be very adept at both these instruments--and the harpsichord, too, if we're lucky enough to have one. Just today, at a late-afternoon wedding, I accompanied a soprano who sang the Mozart "Alleluia" from Exsultate jubilate as the mothers were seated and then immediately went to the organ for the two processional pieces.   Bob Lind     ----- Original Message ----- From: Emmons, Paul <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: RE: practice possibilities: HELP!     > Dear Tom: > > I bet your church has another of those janitors who, for some inscrutable > reason, regard the sound of the organ as their cue to start vacuum-cleaning > the "sanctuary" carpeting. This Pavlovian reaction seems to be so > ubiquitous that it is as good an argument against church carpeting, from the > organist's point of view, as any other. :-/ > > Seriously, if you specified a little more closely where in the "Philadelphia > area" you live, someone might be able to suggest a practice possibility > closer than your church. One can drive in more-or-less one direction for a > full hour and a half without leaving the Philadelphia area. > > Paul > West Chester PA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >    
(back) Subject: Re: practice possibilities--the piano revisited From: <Shiresvillebone@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:23:24 EDT   Yeah! I think I actually said something right in one of these emails!   JP     In a message dated 8/8/03 10:21:29 PM, lindr@core.com writes:     > Someone mentioned piano practice in an e-mail yesterday, and I'm all for =   > it. >      
(back) Subject: Re: How chest actions affect reed tone From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:40:21 -0500   Arie Vandenberg wrote:   > At 06:20 PM 2003-08-07 -0400, you wrote: > >> In a message dated 08/06/03 10:31:18 AM, kzrev@rr1.net writes: >> >> "BTW, has anyone else noted how abruptly the reed stops sounding with >> d-e and >> e-p actions? >   It is interesting that you should ask this, since I was having a discussion with a couple of other organbuilders on the question of the best action for reed stops today.   We concluded the following:   (1) Electro-mechanical/ direct-electric action is hopeless for reeds.   (2) Slider chests, although best for flues, are not very good for reeds either. This can by mitigated by (a) placing the reed over the palletbox (which is almost always done), and (b) by putting a divider in the chest, which is frequently done by German organbuilders but tends to upset the speech of the flues. (So it then becomes an issue of whether it is worth spoiling the flues for the sake of the reeds.)   (3) Reeds sound best on pouch chests.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: practice possibilities: HELP! From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:39:39 -0400   I would reccommend that he join the local AGO chapter and then he might meet some people who have church jobs in the area that would let him practice=2E Then maybe he could get a pipe organ to practice on=2E   Andrew Original Message: ----------------- From: Gfc234@aol=2Ecom Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:26:43 -0400 (EDT) To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: practice possibilities: HELP!     An idle thought=2E=2E=2Ewhat was the first organ you were able to have acc= ess to=20 for=20 practice when you started out?   "You could get a nasty old"   "It may be ugly as the devil"   n=2E jones           The first organ I practiced on was my b3 which I bought at the age of 15=2E= =20 About a year after that, I got the pipe organ bug and began to visit the loft at=20 the Catholic Church down the street from my parents=2E There they had a 2= /20=20 casavant from the 20's=2E During my undergrad I had a 2/50 Martin Ott tracker=2E I have just installed a 2 manual and flat pedal, 2 rank tracker in my cond= o=20 and am loving every note! No messing around with registrations etc=2E=2E=2E= just 2=20 pure 8' flue stops=2E Its all anyone needs to WORK WORK WORK! I can get = my rocks=20 of at the 100 rank, 4 manual Skinner in Alice Millar Chapel a few times a=20=   week if i need to=2E Anyway, the author that was requesting help said tha= t money=20 was an issue=2E I'm assuming that means that he can't spend thousands of dollars=20 for an organ to learn hymns on-so=2E=2E=2Ehe has only one choice: a nasty,= old,=20 ugly digital organ from the 70s=2E Cheerfully,   Gregory Ceurvorst M=2EM=2E Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St=2E Peter's U=2EC=2EC=2E Frankfort, IL 847=2E332=2E2788 home 708=2E243=2E2549 mobile <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol=2Ecom">gfc234@aol=2Ecom</A>     -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E