PipeChat Digest #3866 - Sunday, August 10, 2003
 
Re: georges krieger???
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: St. James' Vedast...alias Foster, London.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: St Vedast Foster Lane
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: georges krieger???
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Practice possibilities
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: How chest actions affect reed tone
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: St Vedast Foster Lane
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel -followup question
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Royal charter parishes
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: How chest actions affect reed tone
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel -followup question
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Fisk Webcam at Daniel Mem'l Chapel
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: How chest actions affect reed tone
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Royal Peculiars
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Skinners without Generals
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Jane Parker-Smith at St. George's, Styvesant Square
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: Jane Parker-Smith at St. George's, Styvesant Square
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Christ has made
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Or.. "Christ IS Made.."
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Subject lines.
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: georges krieger??? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:18:14 -0400   the cd's case notes say:   georges krieger (ca. 1887-1916) cended from them.   n the collection, and is a more interesting piece than that of similar title by his master at st-augustin.   .   ok, that's all i know about him... ANYBODY ever heard of this toccata?? it's an exciting piece and a great performance on the cd. i just want to play it myself!   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: St. James' Vedast...alias Foster, London. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:45:30 EDT   Hi John:   I think you hit it dead on. As I remember the sign outside the church, it said, St James Vedast...alias Foster. The organ was a three manual tracker. It was played by a student at the Royal Academy of Music. Hope I got that right. It was 1984 when I was there so some of the details may have escaped me. It was a very old organ rebuilt recent to my hearing it. It was in wonderful condition. He played a lot of early French and English works. As I remember there was a nice old pub nearby for a pint and fish and chips w/mushy peas. Due to the BLUE laws I was denied a pint later in the day along Victoria St. It was hot, and I was dry. :) We Walked to Westminster Cathedral, alas the big organ was down for a rebuild and a small portable I believe by Mander was holding forth. The sign in the vestabule indicated that 2,000,000 =3DA3 was being raised for the rebuild.   We got to the Westminster Abbey just before evensong. We had a quick tour and shoved out the door. I would have liked to have heard the choir. The were from outside the UK being that it was in the Summer.=3D20   The Royal Albert Hall organ must cost a good deal more than the Westminster Cathedral organ to rebuild being much larger and 18 or 19 years later.=3D20   Our hotel was alongside the Queen's Muse across the street from Buckingham Palace. We went to see the change of the palace guard, one day, boy what a crowd for that, people came from every direction. We were in London the day after the South Trancept of York Cathedral was hit by lightning and burned. The new Archbishop of York, recently from Durham, had some theological issues which be blatantly bandied about such as, was Jesus really God.? I hope he finally got that issue straight. Could the lightning have been a reply from on high? Not LOL too loud.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: St Vedast Foster Lane From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:54:26 +0100 (BST)   Yes - it is a beautiful small church with an attractive garden, a rare use of space in the City of London. The organ was rebuilt by Mander's in the 60's (1961 I think) and was a "transitional" instrument - part tracker and part electric. It is a bit too powerful for the building and though parts of it are good it is something of a curate's egg. I gave several recitals there in my days as an articled clerk to a firm of accountants in the City of London, spending most of my time exploring the organs in the city churches. It was time well spent - one of the best was one of the smallest, a 2 manual tracker action by Hill in All Hallows, London Wall, which was restored to much better effect by Noel Mander in 1962. On the subject of Beverley, I was going to chime in on this earlier but Colin beat me to it. It is my family's home town - and it was certainly very beautiful about 50 years ago when I last visited it. Not wishing to boast, but I am quite proud of the fact that 7 members of my family from Beverley, including my mother, have been honoured by the queen for their services to England. Wasn't it Ronald Perrin at Ripon? John Foss   ===== www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: georges krieger??? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 16:53:24 -0500   Georges Krieger's Toccata is available in an anthology of forgotten organ works called "Recueil des Oeuvres Oubli=E9es pour Orgue," which contains:   *   Louis de Bondt (1877-1920): Canon   *   Joseph Boulnois (1884-1918): Paraphrase Symphonique sur l'Alleluia de la Dedicace de Saint Michel   *   Henry Eymieu (1860-1931): Marche Pontificale, op. 112   *   George Guiraud (1868-1928): Offertoire Pascal sous Forme de Variations sur "O Filii et Filiae"   *   Jean Hur=E9 (1877-1930): Pour la Communion d'une Messe de Minuit =E0 = Noel   *   Georges Krieger (1885-1916): Toccata in mi min.   *   Ren=E9 Vierne (1878-1918) Canzona   Edited by Giordano Assandri, and published by ARMELIN MUSICA - PADOVA . See their website at http://www.armelin.it   By the way, I also discovered that Vierne dedicated his Elegie (No. 21 of 24 Pieces in Free Style) to Krieger.    
(back) Subject: Re: Practice possibilities From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:33:57 -0400   Someone wrote: > I bet your church has another of those janitors who, for some inscrutable reason, regard the sound of the organ as their cue to start vacuum-cleaning > the "sanctuary" carpeting. >   This reminds me of the AGO chapter recital for organ and other instruments (I don't remember where) which concluded with a performer announcing that the final piece would be performed with the most-used solo instrument using in combination with the organ. He then began playing a lovely piece on the organ and, after a few measures, a side door opened and a guy with a vacuum cleaner entered and began a go at the carpet.     Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=473FAAG381F58      
(back) Subject: Re: How chest actions affect reed tone From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:40:52 -0400   "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   (2) Slider chests, although best for flues, are not very good for reeds.... (3) Reeds sound best on pouch chests.   Is it then possible to combine actions using slider chests for flues and pouch chests for reeds? Could the discrepancy in initial attach be remedied in the voicing process? Using this dual action solution might be similar to the practice of placing reeds on a separate chest with higher pressure.   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=473FAAG381F58      
(back) Subject: Re: St Vedast Foster Lane From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:52:33 -0400   The organ in St.Vedast, Fosters Lane originally was built by Crang and Hancock in 1774, at a cost of 240 pounds. This organ was repaired in 1807, and in 1853 was removed to St. Jude's, Bethnal Green, where it survived until 1900.   J. W. Walker and Sons replaced the old organ with a new two manual organ with 28 speaking stops, which cost 471 pounds and 10 shillings which included a 3-stop pedal organ. This organ was enlarged and moved to the east end in 1886, and remained there until 1940 when, once again, Hitler's bombers destroyed it.   When the church was rebuilt in 1962 N. P. Mander Ltd. erected an organ in the west gallery which had been previously in two City churches. It was originally built for St. Bartholomew-by-the-Exchange by Harris and Byfield and finished in 1732. Upon the closure of this church, the organ was moved to St. Bartholomew, Moor Lane in 1841. Whilst in Moor Lane, the organ was altered and spoiledand ultimately sold to St. Alban's Church, Fulham for 20 pounds, where it was carefully maintained by a devoted organist.   By 1955 it had become completely unplayable and was acquired for the newly restored St. Vedast Church. Notable features of the instrument are the survival of the Great/Choir chest, much of the Harris and Byfield pipework , and the restored original case.   N. P. Mander Ltd. cleaned and over hauled the organ in 1983   I obtained all the above information from "The Organs of the City of London" written by Nicholas M. Plumley, published by Positif Press 1996.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel -followup question From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:24:37 EDT   In a message dated 8/9/2003 2:33:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes:     > it's a bitch and a half to play, but a LOT of fun. gotta have a lot of > colorful stops, at least 3 manuals, and tons of pistons. even then = you'll > be using > double pedal, and playing on 2 manuals with each hand. the audience = really > likes the visual aspect of it, in addition to the music itself. > > scot >   and perchance do you know -- HOW does one get a copy of this score? I understood that it is a transcription based on a Lemare player roll and = that the arrangement was never pubished in sheet music.   Rick in VA    
(back) Subject: Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 18:33:48 -0500   Hi! Incidentally, there's also a great recording of this on the Holy Rosary Skinner in Toledo with Ken Cowan, on the JAV label. As with all of Joe Vitacco's recordings, it is most wonderful.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago Piano Instructor, Hyde Park Suzuki Institute Home Email: Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com Suzuki Email: beausurratt@hydeparksuzuki.com     -----Original Message----- From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:33:11 EDT Subject: humperdinck's hansel & gretel   > In a message dated 8/9/03 11:20:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ophicleide16@direcway.com writes: > > << Murray also recorded it at Woolsey Hall (Priory PRCD 338). Wonderful > it > is, but I imagine much more fun to listen to than to play. >> > > it's a bitch and a half to play, but a LOT of fun. gotta have a lot of > colorful stops, at least 3 manuals, and tons of pistons. even then > you'll be using > double pedal, and playing on 2 manuals with each hand. the audience > really > likes the visual aspect of it, in addition to the music itself. > > scot > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Royal charter parishes From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:37:01 -0400   Glenda:   The St. George's of which I am speaking is in Flushing, a section of=3D20 the borough of Queens. LaGuardia Airport is at one edge of Flushing. = =3D20=3D   Although it's possible, I seriously doubt if Jane Parker-Smith ever=3D20 played there. The last twenty years or so, Flushing has become more=3D20 ethnic chinese that Chinatown in Manhattan, and in fact this St.=3D20 George's has (or had) services in either Cantonese or Mandarin, I=3D20 forget which. Perhaps you are thinking of the famous St. George's = in=3D20=3D   Manhattan, which was an adjunct of Calvary Church (where Calvin = Hampton=3D20=3D   played for many years) and which has a large, screechy M=3DF6ller? = Didn't=3D20=3D   E. Power Biggs, record on that instrument?   David Baker=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: How chest actions affect reed tone From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:37:20 EDT   In a message dated 8/9/2003 6:41:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cremona@cervo.net writes:     > Is it then possible to combine actions using slider chests for flues and > pouch chests for reeds?   I have seen this done in several Schantz organs of recent vintage where the reeds are on e-p pouch type chests (unit for cross-divisional borrows into ped or Gt) and blickinton-type e-p slider chests for all the flue stops. speed and attack is nearly indistuingishable between the two except IN the chambers.   > remedied in the voicing > process?   one of the big problems with placing reed stops on a slider chests is that there are channel resonances that develop that make the reed stop fight with itself, and voicers often have to resort to odd-length boots or bleed-holes or channel-dividers to remedy these odd coupling artifacts...and voicing cannot always overcome these problems. the reeds are idealy placed directly over the pallets on the note channel, which may dictate inconvenient placement of either the reed rank or wind-box in the design of the windchests.     Rick in VA      
(back) Subject: Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel -followup question From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:38:38 EDT   In a message dated 8/9/03 4:25:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RMaryman@aol.com writes:   << and perchance do you know -- HOW does one get a copy of this score? I understood that it is a transcription based on a Lemare player roll and that the arrangement was never pubished in sheet music. Rick in VA >>   e-mail me privately with your name & address & i'll send a copy to you.   as far as a player roll, i've never heard that. it IS a lemare transcription, though, and since the copyright date is 1899, it's now in public domain, so i can PHOTOCOPY TO MY LITTLE HEART'S DESIRE!!   scot  
(back) Subject: Fisk Webcam at Daniel Mem'l Chapel From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:48:40 -0400   I've enjoyed watching the progress on the Fisk organ at Daniel Mem'l Chapel < http://www.furman.edu/webcam.htm >   However, now I have a question...   Can anyone identify the "body" hanging from the center flat?   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=473FAAG381F58    
(back) Subject: Re: humperdinck's hansel & gretel From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:29:06 -0400   Ken Cowan also plays the Overture wonderfully, and I have twice heard him play it on the Wanamaker Organ, which is really something and-a-half. I don't know if Ken has recorded it. Tom's will do very nicely!   Malcolm     ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: humperdinck's hansel & gretel     > In a message dated 8/9/03 11:20:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ophicleide16@direcway.com writes: > > << Murray also recorded it at Woolsey Hall (Priory PRCD 338). Wonderful it > is, but I imagine much more fun to listen to than to play. >> > > it's a bitch and a half to play, but a LOT of fun. gotta have a lot of > colorful stops, at least 3 manuals, and tons of pistons. even then you'll be using > double pedal, and playing on 2 manuals with each hand. the audience really > likes the visual aspect of it, in addition to the music itself. > > scot      
(back) Subject: Re: How chest actions affect reed tone From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:40:39 -0500   Bruce Cornely wrote:   > "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > >(2) Slider chests, although best for flues, are not very good for reeds.... >(3) Reeds sound best on pouch chests. > >Is it then possible to combine actions using slider chests for flues and >pouch chests for reeds? > That is what Quimby Pipe Organs have generally been doing in their organs for the decade or so. When we can, we put our flues on Blackinton-style electro-pneumatic slider chests, and our reeds on electro-pneumatic pouch chests. This also has the added advantage of allowing the use of higher pressures for the reeds than the flues, thereby enabling more refinement in the reed voicing. We even have separate voicing rooms for the flues and reeds, with a pouch chest for voicing the reeds and a double-primary slider chest for the flues.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Royal Peculiars From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:44:24 -0400   > I heard once that Saint Peter's Church, Albany NY was a royal peculiar-- or > has some similar relationship with the British Crown, such that they could > tell the Bishop of Albany to jump in the lake anytime they wished.   Albany? Lake? Wouldn't it more likely be the Lordly Hudson (river)?   Not to put too fine a point on it, I suppose there are some British who consider most of the Royals peculiar.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh      
(back) Subject: Skinners without Generals From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:06:58 -0400   > The church has a 4 manual E.M. Skinner which I believe was restored a > few years ago. Oddly, the console has NO general pistons; only > divisionals.   Reminds me of an EMS in Springfield OH (no longer extant - the organ, not the city.) It was of 1928 vintage (Op.593), but the console plate read "Ernest M. Skinner Co.", a corporate name no longer in use by then. It was 4M, with divisional combons on the setter system. There were also three blind generals, set on a recorder board in one of the chambers.   I suspect this to be a case of using a "pre-owned" console, with the blind generals added at installation in '28.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh            
(back) Subject: Jane Parker-Smith at St. George's, Styvesant Square From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:13:06 -0400   Jane Parker-Smith did play four mornings, or was it five, during the AGO National in New York, and it WAS at St. George's, Stuyvesant Square, with that Ernest White Moller, upon which Power Biggs recorded his famous LP of Romantic Organ music.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Royal charter parishes     Glenda:   The St. George's of which I am speaking is in Flushing, a section of the borough of Queens. LaGuardia Airport is at one edge of Flushing. Although it's possible, I seriously doubt if Jane Parker-Smith ever played there. The last twenty years or so, Flushing has become more ethnic chinese that Chinatown in Manhattan, and in fact this St. George's has (or had) services in either Cantonese or Mandarin, I forget which. Perhaps you are thinking of the famous St. George's in Manhattan, which was an adjunct of Calvary Church (where Calvin Hampton played for many years) and which has a large, screechy Möller? Didn't E. Power Biggs, record on that instrument?   David Baker        
(back) Subject: RE: Jane Parker-Smith at St. George's, Styvesant Square From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:23:26 -0500   No, I was aware you were talking of Flushing, not Stuyvesant Square, but the subject of "royal peculiars" with all the images that term conjures came up, and suddenly my waterfall of subconsciousness overflowed. I didn't misunderstand you; I just confused you and anyone else paying attention to me.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Malcolm Wechsler   Jane Parker-Smith did play four mornings, or was it five, during the AGO National in New York, and it WAS at St. George's, Stuyvesant Square, with that Ernest White Moller, upon which Power Biggs recorded his famous LP of Romantic Organ music.   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>   The St. George's of which I am speaking is in Flushing, a section of the borough of Queens. LaGuardia Airport is at one edge of Flushing. Although it's possible, I seriously doubt if Jane Parker-Smith ever played there. The last twenty years or so, Flushing has become more ethnic chinese that Chinatown in Manhattan, and in fact this St. George's has (or had) services in either Cantonese or Mandarin, I forget which. Perhaps you are thinking of the famous St. George's in Manhattan, which was an adjunct of Calvary Church (where Calvin Hampton played for many years) and which has a large, screechy M=F6ller? Didn't E. Power Biggs, record on that instrument?        
(back) Subject: Christ has made From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:38:59 -0700   I'm looking for a nice rendition of "Christ Has Made the Sure Foundation" for use as a postlude -- the bigger the better. Know of one?   Eric    
(back) Subject: Or.. "Christ IS Made.." From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:45:28 -0700   I guess I'm seeing conflicting titles of the same piece. Other web sites call it "Christ is Made the Sure Foundation."   Eric -- I'm not terribly picky, just the music will do    
(back) Subject: Re: Subject lines. From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:35:19 EDT   Hello mike3247@earthlink.net,   In reference to your comment:   =3DE8 > Why don't all our correspondents remember to =3DE8 change the subject line as the > thread develops, - =3DE8 the subject was Ripon Minster, but has morphed into =3DE8 > Royal Particulars, - so the subject line needs to =3DE8 be changed as well.   I don't particularly mind. That way, I can see how the threads develop, = and=3D =3D20 the sometimes topsy-turvy way in which they're connected.   Victoria