PipeChat Digest #3877 - Wednesday, August 13, 2003
 
IRC Tonight
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
IRL Tonight
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Concert announcement
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Playing things wrong--/DOGS/longish
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: hated reeds
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Organs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Playing things " wrong "
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Playing things wrong--/DOGS/longish
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: velocity sensitive action
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Non topic notification
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
RE: Playing things wrong-- on purpose
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
North Shore AGO
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
North Shore AGO info FOUND
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Playing things " wrong "
  by "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com>
RE: Dogs and organ music.
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Long! Temperaments (was mixtures, dogs etc)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re:  Dog and cat stories.
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
RE: velocity sensitive action
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: velocity sensitive action
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: velocity sensitive action
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Silent Movies...
  by "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Playing things wrong-- on purpose
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
RE: Wedding musi'Henry Glass'c
  by "norman" <norman@stmichaelchurch.net>
 

(back) Subject: IRC Tonight From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:54:34 -0400   I think that I will let that idea fly by me - I cnnot log on   I get the message "unable to resolve server"   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: IRL Tonight From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:50:01 -0400   Is anyone going to be on tonight?   As Bud says, we are now 24/7   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Concert announcement From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:54:12 EDT   Dear list- I saw that Travis was playing a concert Sept. 7, so I thought I better = post information about the concert I'm playing that day, too.   September 7, 2003 4:45 pm Cathedral of St. Patrick, New York City   Works by Franck, St.-Saens, Thalben-Ball, Oldroyd, Brewer, and also by one = of my former teachers, Dr. Herbert Nanney, who was for many years the organ professor at Stanford University in California.   I'd love to meet any of the list members who are in the NYC area.   Monty Bennett Friendship Missionary Baptist Church Charlotte, NC    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things wrong--/DOGS/longish From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:13:15 EDT   In a message dated 8/12/2003 11:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, brad_taylor32@hotmail.com writes:   > You don't edit his sermons, he shouldn't touch your hymns. Good luck >   As a 36 year veteran---this will get you a new job every 3 years. Others have urged playing the congregation's TRADITION, and this is how it should = be.   You are playing for GOD, your supper and their whim. THEY will alter = things if you do it SLOWLY and one or two at a time.   Reality is the boss is the boss, however moronic. Besides, often we are better theologians than the boss, which is why i contribute an article to = the newsletter every month.   Ask how the clergy would like it and then make it close. You will come out =   way ahead.   As to the dogs, we had a squirrel show up for Yom Kippur closing services = one year. Came in with the 4 o'clock return crowd and stayed till the end. = Broke the fast with us too.   Hail one and all.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: hated reeds From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:14:27 EDT   In a message dated 8/12/2003 11:10:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes:   > i use the vox whenever i damned well feel like it.   AMEN and Hallelujah!   I also detach or slur too. <G>   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:16:26 EDT   Go Murphy.    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things " wrong " From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:21:44 -0700         > In a message dated 8/12/2003 11:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > brad_taylor32@hotmail.com writes: > >> You don't edit his sermons, he shouldn't touch your hymns. Good luck > > > Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:   > As a 36 year veteran---this will get you a new job every 3 years. > Others have urged playing the congregation's TRADITION, and this is how > it should be. >   "He Leadeth Me" is a good case in point ... in The Episcopal Hymnal 1940, the pauses are NOT where I'm accustomed to hearing them. I asked the oldest choir member where St. Matthew's congregation was accustomed to pausing, and she told me. I marked the organ hymnal accordingly.   I'm a "scruff of the neck" hymn-player ... with very few exceptions, the congregation WILL sing what I play (chuckle). The choir and I always looked through the hymns to be sure WE were in agreement.   The 1940 still has all the old-style fermatas in the German chorales; we took those out, and marked the choir and organ hymnals.   I did NOT try to change the old "cathedral bump-and-thump" pointing of the Canticles. After not hearing them for thirty years, I thought it was kind of charming in a "quintessence of Anglican quaintlitude" kind of way.   BUT, when they learned to sing the PSALMS and/or a NEW Canticle, they learned them in speech-rhythm.   I DID fight (and win) ONE battle ... somebody had decided that hymn 199, 1st tune (the chant Pange lingua) had two SIXTEENTH notes in the last line ... "shed for this WORLD'S ransoming" ... on "world's." I corrected it in several congregational rehearsals; then I'd just play that line in octaves whenever we sang it. Eventually they caught on.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things wrong--/DOGS/longish From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:33:20 -0400   On 8/13/03 7:13 AM, "Keys4bach@aol.com" <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote:   > Besides, often we are better theologians than the boss, which is why i > contribute an article to the newsletter every month. >=20 >=20 Dale, I agree with you. And wonder if you=B9d consider posting your monthly contribution here.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: velocity sensitive action From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:50:25 -0400   At 10:33 PM 2003-08-12 -0500, you wrote: >There are circumstances where mechanical action is not feasible, and it >would be nice to have the option of electric action that can reproduce >the attributes of mechanical action. That's my only reason for interest >in what happened to Syncordia.     Hi,   Syncordia, appears still to be in business, although it looks like they have done very little in the last few years. I just checked their web-site, which is informative.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Non topic notification From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:25:06 -0500   Andr=E9s wrote:   > - only the angels in heaven are perfect, as my Pastor always says.=20   Actually: I think it could be argued that even THEY, at times, are not perfect, either; seeing that Satan is a FALLEN Angel!=20 I believe that perfection is more-or-less limited to the Deity! =20 Faithfully,   G.A.   --=20 Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: RE: Playing things wrong-- on purpose From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:18:45 -0400   I'm not an organist, but the originating post reminded me of something = that happened long ago at the opening service of our new church. The well known evangelical composer ( Peterson) was present and the congregation sang one of it's favourite hymns written by the guest of honour some years = previous. At the end of the hymn, Peterson stood in front of the congregation and = told us we were singing it wrong and he quickly proved it. He was present for only the one Sunday and once he was gone the organist and "song-leader" reverted back to our rendition of his hymn. Andrew Mead      
(back) Subject: North Shore AGO From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:16:10 EDT   Hello, Does anyone on the list know how to join the North Shore (Illinois) AGO chapter? There are no telephone numbers or email addresses on their site. = Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>    
(back) Subject: North Shore AGO info FOUND From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:46:14 EDT   Thanks for your private responses! I've found the necessary information.   Cheers, Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile <A HREF=3D"gfc234@aol.com">gfc234@aol.com</A>    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things " wrong " From: "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:32:21 -0500     >In a message dated 8/12/2003 11:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, >brad_taylor32@hotmail.com writes: > >>You don't edit his sermons, he shouldn't touch your hymns. Good luck > > >Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:   >As a 36 year veteran---this will get you a new job every 3 years. Others =   >have urged playing the congregation's TRADITION, and this is how it = should >be.   Dale, normally the "congregations" tradition, is MY tradition, because I have learned early on where the soft spots are in the old gospel hymns, = and for the most part, I think the congregational changes make musical sense. However, I draw the line when my musical reputation is at stake, which I rightly think I should. I once went into a new episcopal job as organist/choirmaster for the first sunday and was playing through the doxology. An 86 year old woman had arrived early and was sitting in a pew. =   After I finished, she said, very gruffly, "you're playing that too fast." = I looked at her for a few seconds, and then continued what I was doing. = Later that day when the service began, I played it just as fast as I had = earlier. She enjoyed complaining, but I never cared to listen, and it didn't hurt = me, because I, unlike her, was a TRAINED musician, and my opinion mattered = more than her grouchy disposition. This didn't get me fired, I left about a = year later when "Shine Jesus Shine" became a hymn often used for the recession = of the clergy. Was there a point to that story? Probably not, besides that it =   is interesting. My main point is that if you're getting fired every three years for doing what you know is right, then you're doing something wrong.   Tyler W. Robertson Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, Temple, = TX Organist/Accompanist, Baylor University Concert Choir Drumline Manager, Baylor University Drumline   _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: RE: Dogs and organ music. From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:30:32 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Three weeks ago my dog ventured to go to church with me for the afternoon mass. Since the church is one mile downtown away and doesn't have a = parking lot I always go by foot.   During the sermon however the dog lost its patience and left. When I came back home he was awaiting me at the door. Since then he didn't seem to = want to repeat the experience.   No tale, folks, it happened for real. Just couldn't resist today to "throw in" this story.   Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about. BTW my cat likes the organ but hates the Virginal............   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Dogs and organ music.     > On 8/12/03 3:38 PM, "TubaMagna@aol.com" <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote: > > > He received a standing ovation, and eight people were hospitalized. > > Our of the nine in attendance. > > > Any other fun organ/dog anecdotes? > > Seb, you are just TOO MUCH! > > Alan (from Trinity Unitarian)          
(back) Subject: Long! Temperaments (was mixtures, dogs etc) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:06:55 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Ok, time for a serious ring-in.   Bach's preference for 'well tempered' is obvious in the title of his = magnum opus: "Das wohltemperirte clavier", which usually is translated as "The = well tempered clavichord". 'Clavichord' refers to a certain instrument, while "clavier" as ancient german term referred to *Keyboard*- any keyboard instrument. In that time writing compositions in keys with more than three sharps or flats still was a bold step because in meantone temperaments the wolf (for laymen, this is the "mistuned" fifth G#-D#) didn't allow any performance in these keys.   As for 'right' or 'wrong' temperaments and tuning methods, it seems to be = a never ending and sterile discussion as the "Pipe vs digital" monster. I = only can tell from my experience: usually I tune by ear setting an own, "well" based temperament. When I have "one of these days" and / or the organ must be tuned snappy I tune in equal however because my old tuning maschine doesn't allow others. And every time I have to do this, my fellow = musicians complain about the "cold, lifeless sound" and I feel with them. Usually I make a surpass with the due corrections later. = The same complaint starts when we use a digital keyboard for chamber music (we don't have models who change the temperament at bottom push).   As for historic temperaments I am non practicus expert. A colleague -tired from equal :)- purchased a Virginal and hollows me to tune it in meantone for once and find out if ancient music *really* sounds different or not. The website http://www.music.indiana.edu/som/piano_repair/temperaments/ is = very useful for this task, not only for the tuning procedures but maintemance = of the instrument. I will post about my experiences once I make the first = try. I hope that my dog doesn't start to howl at the wolf - neither fellow listers about these long "confessions" <G>   As for experimentation with different temperaments: why not? - BTW: = Anybody heard of the Huygens-Fokker Organ in the Teyler museum in Haarlem (Netherlands), built by B. Pels en Zoon (Alkmaar)?- it was designed to be played in any temperament. Awful complicated console with splitted keys... does this instrument still exist?   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Dog and cat stories. From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:42:49 -0700 (PDT)   Ladies and germs,   I am presently inebriated on the Edinburgh fringe. After four shows today and an hour at YO sushi on Rose Street (nae guud can come to ye on Rose Street)watching sushi go by on a conveyer belt, hypnotically making me eat more til my wallet was empty, I am checking mail. Forgive my inadequacy at UK keyboards, they're not like they are in the US.   Why stop at dogs???? My cats Mollie and Desmond (acquired one day after the death of my beloved old cat Vincent Percykitty) love it when I practice. Desmond climbs right on top of the console of my Moller Artiste where he looks right over my music and often knocks it off. Molly just curls up next to me on the bench and purrs happily. They are not at all put off by full organ (as full as three unified ranks can be). However, when they get somewhere they shouldn't be like on the dining table or on the kitchen counters, they jump down immediately if I sing a high note at them. They long ago stopped responding to that old rock classic "get down!" or "NO!" For some reason a good Wagnerian heldentenor note will do it every time.   Organs in Edinburgh? Well we went to mass at Old St. Paul's, my favorite place to hear a service on the planet. John Kitchen plays a service like no-one else I know. Last Sunday was the Durufle Missa Cum Jubilo, and next Sunday we look forward to the corny old Missa Solemnis of Gounod. I'm sure there won't be a dry seat in the house. It'll be hard not to jump up from my seat and join in on the Sanctus. We heard Greyfriars new organist Henry Wallace yesterday in recital at St Cuthbert's. He's wonderful. Greyfriars in in renovation and the organ is being removed for the duration and returned afterward. Henry was associate at Hexham for 18 years and truly deserves this post. We bopped into St. Mary's cathedral on Sunday afternoon for a recital by Clive Driscoll-Smith that was rather wonderful. Just got to say a quick hi to Simon Nieminski. Off now to see Craig Hill, a wonderful campy comedian at the Assembly Rooms. Ta.   I can't believe that in another three weeks I will be dragged kicking and screaming back to my console where I will be expected to bang out hymns, preludes and postludes. Oh well.   Ken   Ken       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Organist/Director of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square, Bronx, NY 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, Austin Op. 2097 at: = http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/StPetersEpBronx.html Randolph Organ Company, curators =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: velocity sensitive action From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:21:43 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   http://www.syncordia-intl.com/   Very interesting indeed although I never could use this High Technology where I live.   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Arie Vandenberg <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: velocity sensitive action     > Hi, > > Syncordia, appears still to be in business, although it looks like they > have done very little in the last few years. I just checked their > web-site, which is informative. > > Arie V. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arie Vandenberg > Classic Organbuilders > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com > Tel.: 905-475-1263    
(back) Subject: RE: velocity sensitive action From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:57:30 -0400   At 04:21 PM 2003-08-13 -0400, you wrote: >Andres Gunther >agun@telcel.net.ve > >http://www.syncordia-intl.com/ > >Very interesting indeed although I never could use this High Technology >where I live. > >Cheers >Andres   Andres,   Why not? All you need is electricity and lots of money. Is that a = problem where you live? It is a problem where I live, and that is in Canada.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: velocity sensitive action From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:53:39 -0400   On 8/13/03 3:57 PM, "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> wrote:   > Why not? All you need is electricity and lots of money.   Andres: I agree with Arie. Venezuela is a fabulous country, with = thousands of people with fantastic brains. And, if Venezuela is poor NOW, what happened? Your country is RICH in resources.   Sure, Venezuela does experience poverty. But the way to beat it is surely to "grow" the intelligentsia, the industry, even the technological excellence of your country. Surely this can be achieved! Have the people no WILL?   Or is the political situation just too impossible? (Oh, I hope not.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Silent Movies... From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:08:04 -0300   Russ,   If you haven't already tried it, check out the National Film Board. They may have something available.   Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia     On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 06:03 PM, Russ Greene wrote:   > Does anyone on the list know how we would get hold of an appropriate > silent movie to present? Has anyone actually done this in a church > venue? > > Thanks, > Russ Greene > St. Andrew's Anglican Church > Winnipeg, Canada    
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things wrong-- on purpose From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:20:31 -0500   This is an exception to the rule, if there HAS to be a rule, but I = accompany one of our "special needs" cantors, who doesn't always follow along very well.   I have gotten to know where he gets confused and which bars he most likely =   will drop off (usually the long ones). So I anticipate that and move = along. It makes for a much smoother performance, and we both look like we played and sang the right notes.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI     >From: "Mike" <organist@clover.net> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Playing things wrong-- on purpose >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:26:50 -0700 > >Hi Pipechatters! > >Has anyone here ever been asked to play hymns, wrong to satisfy >the way the minister prefers to sing it rather than how it's notated in >the book? Examples would be like dropping a couple of beats from >a whole note, singing quarter notes as 8th notes, etc. > >For most of the general hymns, this isn't much of a problem, but >where it really shows up is in "praise songs" arranged as 4 part >hymns. Such arrangements generally will have a lot of flow and >movement in the vocal parts suddenly interrupted by two whole >notes tied together that seem to go on forever. > >This is one of the problems you encounter when some editor or >arranger tries to FORCE a composition into a format different from >that intended by the composer. In the originals, the long held notes >are balanced out by moving notes in the accompaniment. When >possible, I just play the piece in it's original version. If I can't get =   >to >an original, I keep some kind of movement going through the long >notes so it doesn't feel like running into a brick wall. If the >arrangement's not too far out, I just play it as written. > >Some of these arrangements are just plain, flat out, poor >arrangements. They're cheesy and don't work. Is my job as an >organist to "change" such pieces to make them sound better? Is >my job to make up for the deficiencies of others? Should bad >arrangements be played as written, in all their bad glory, exposing >those particular editors and arrangers for the charletains they are? > >The minister wants to meet with me this week. He's doing some >newer hymns on Sunday, and he wants to sing through them with >me playing so I can see how he sings and adjust my playing >accordingly. The two pieces in question I have the originals for, >and plan to play them from the piano. I'm expecting that this will be >OK. It's the "brick-wall" effect the minister doesn't like. > >Here's the rub. The previous organist at this church did not count >well. He often dropped beats and played rhythms wrong. When I >took over, I found that the congregation still sang things "wrong" >while I played them "right." After three years, they're finally >counting with me, and singing with accuracy. I really don't want to >unravel all this by starting to play things wrong. > >Do I have a reason to be concerned? > >Thanks, >Mike > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail    
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding musi'Henry Glass'c From: "norman" <norman@stmichaelchurch.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:57:16 -0500   Glenda,   The following pieces have been suggested and/or performed by one of the local boychoirs as part of their wedding repertoire:   Bach--Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring Bach-Gounod--Ave Maria Schubert--Ave Maria Franck--Panis Angelicus Malotte--The Lord's Prayer Mozart--Jubilate Deo Rutter--Thanksgiving Prayer Gatlin--Alleluia   Also, the Byrd "Non Nobis Domine" is used frequently as a sung a cappella processional.   Other anthems I have heard that would be appropriate-- Clausen--Set Me As a Seal Rutter--For the Beauty of the Earth Rutter--Gaelic Blessing Rutter--The Lord Bless You and Keep You Vaughan Williams--The Call (Five Mystical Songs)   Hope this helps!   Norman Sutphin   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Glenda Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:38 PM To: 'PipeChat' Cc: 'Henry Glass' Subject: RE: Wedding musi'Henry Glass'c     I don't want suggestions for where to find organ music; I'm not looking for a collection of organ wedding music, but thank you. I want a suggested complete program of organ music and boychoir music for an upscale wedding.   In fact, I REALLY do need suggestions for some great English/boy choir wedding music with organ, whether or not you do the rest.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org