PipeChat Digest #3878 - Thursday, August 14, 2003 Re: Playing things " wrong " by <Keys4bach@aol.com> IRC by <firstname.lastname@example.org> IRC tonight, - NOW by "Bob Conway" <email@example.com> Re: Playing things " wrong " by "Walter Greenwood" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: doggies in church by "Bruce Cornely" <email@example.com> Job security (was Playing things "wrong") by "Robert Lind" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Playing things " wrong " by "Mike" <email@example.com> Choral Wedding Music by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> St Paul's Cathedral, London by "alantaylor" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: St Paul's Cathedral, London by "Mark Turnbull" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things " wrong " From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:55:54 EDT In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: > My main point is that if you're getting fired every three > years for doing what you know is right, then you're doing something = wrong. > > Which is MY point. Sometimes you can just tell the people YOU WILL change = it next time....and then make a point of asking them if that was not better. = Usually they thank me for changing and that it was much better. OF COURSE, i did no such thing, but they felt important and listened too! And that is what they wanted more than anything, to be important. Here again we are better being pastoral than given credit for by the pastorate. As to OLD GOSPEL hymns, they are all different in every church anyway. You = ask a long-timer like Bud did and then you give it your best. If you are doing it because GOD called you to the vocation and that = church, you will be blessed and they will move along with you. Cheers to you all! dale in Florida
(back) Subject: IRC From: <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:02:09 -0700 I'm on ... Bud
(back) Subject: IRC tonight, - NOW From: "Bob Conway" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:02:43 -0400 Bud and I are on already, - come and join us! Bob
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things " wrong " From: "Walter Greenwood" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:14:48 -0400 Amen, Tyler. Save for a short sabbatical of sorts in the mid 80's I have = served the same congregation since 1978. Since the beginning, I have been = totally in charge of the hymns, and the clergy know it. Not choosing them, mind you = - I can't plan anything that far ahead. I play what I am told to play (including = "Shine Jesus Shine"), but I play at MY tempos and MY rhythms, and I haven't had a complaint in over 20 years. Indeed, the congregation has grown in part = because visitors are refreshed to hear church music that does not bore them to = death. Quite regularly, former members who have retired to places such as Florida = come back for a visit and tell me how terribly, horribly slow and boringly = somber and the hymns are at their new churches. As for deviating from the score, I = have always made a practice of playing each and every stanza differently. = Anytime the choir is not singing parts I reharmonize quite freely, and I transpose the = last verse or two whenever it feels right. Far from complaining, my = congregation appreciates this greatly, and they follow me eagerly. Really, some of the = settings in the hymnal are soo awful, I just can't leave them alone! -WG > From: "Tyler Robertson" <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > >In a message dated 8/12/2003 11:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >email@example.com writes: > > > >>You don't edit his sermons, he shouldn't touch your hymns. Good luck > > > >Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > > >As a 36 year veteran---this will get you a new job every 3 years. = Others > >have urged playing the congregation's TRADITION, and this is how it = should > >be. > > Dale, normally the "congregations" tradition, is MY tradition, because I > have learned early on where the soft spots are in the old gospel hymns, = and > for the most part, I think the congregational changes make musical = sense. > However, I draw the line when my musical reputation is at stake, which I > rightly think I should. I once went into a new episcopal job as > organist/choirmaster for the first sunday and was playing through the > doxology. An 86 year old woman had arrived early and was sitting in a = pew. > After I finished, she said, very gruffly, "you're playing that too = fast." I > looked at her for a few seconds, and then continued what I was doing. = Later > that day when the service began, I played it just as fast as I had = earlier. > She enjoyed complaining, but I never cared to listen, and it didn't hurt = me, > because I, unlike her, was a TRAINED musician, and my opinion mattered = more > than her grouchy disposition. This didn't get me fired, I left about a = year > later when "Shine Jesus Shine" became a hymn often used for the = recession of > the clergy. Was there a point to that story? Probably not, besides that = it > is interesting. My main point is that if you're getting fired every = three > years for doing what you know is right, then you're doing something = wrong. > > Tyler W. Robertson > Organist, Handbell Choir Director,First United Methodist Church, Temple, = TX > Organist/Accompanist, Baylor University Concert Choir > Drumline Manager, Baylor University Drumline
(back) Subject: Re: doggies in church From: "Bruce Cornely" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:48:33 -0400 Andres Gunther email@example.com <Three weeks ago my dog ventured to go to church with me for the afternoon mass. ..... During the sermon however the dog lost its patience and left.> My all time favorite dog in church story happened when I was in college. The Methodist Student Center was not airconditioned then and the doors and windows were usually open. Occasionally, birds would fly through, cats and dogs would wander the aisles. The building also responded to the weather by creaking when clouds went over and then the sun came back out. The minister also responded to the weather by referring to thunder claps, lightning, or sudden rain as emphasis to his sermon and "a SIGN FROM GOD!" On day during the sermon a cute little dog walked in the side door and across the chancel area in front of the communion rail which ran in front = of the pulpit and lecturn. The dog walked over and sat down right in front of the pulpit and looked up at the minister. The minister kept on preaching, although he did acknowledge the dog with a nod and a smile. After just a few minutes the dog got up, walked over to the rail, lifted = his leg and peed. The minister's eyes got really big and he said, "Now THAT was a sign from God." He closed his notes and walked out of the pulpit. It was a real dramatic close!! Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow... Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D473FAAG381F58
(back) Subject: Job security (was Playing things "wrong") From: "Robert Lind" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:29:10 -0500 Pardon me for taking the observation, below, out of its context, but I = recently lost my day job through corporate downsizing. The person who = led our classes at the outplacement center said that many jobs--not in = the future but right now--last only two years, and we'd better get used = to the biennial routine. I've been depressed and out of sorts since being laid off on July 22 but = am happy to say that today I composed an organ work ... the first in = three weeks. Pretty scary, but I'm hoping the creative muse has = returned. Illegitimi non carborundum. Bob Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=20 To: email@example.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Playing things " wrong " In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = firstname.lastname@example.org writes: My main point is that if you're getting fired every three=20 years for doing what you know is right, then you're doing something = wrong.
(back) Subject: Re: Playing things " wrong " From: "Mike" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:23:16 -0700 On 13 Aug 2003 at 5:21, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > "He Leadeth Me" is a good case in point ... in The Episcopal Hymnal > 1940, the pauses are NOT where I'm accustomed to hearing them. Yeah, but this is a style thing. I have no trouble putting pauses in various places, broadening things out, playing slower or faster, etc. Everything the composer wrote is still there. What I'm talking about is making actual changes to the music like changing half notes to to quarters, or whole notes to half notes just because it sounds slow. There's a big difference between playing with certain style characteristics and actually rewriting sections of music. Traditional favorites are no problem. The pieces in question are shoddy arrrangements-- songs forced into a 4-part chorale format that were written as unison melodies with a flowing piano part. What you get is several measures of quarter note movement, then suddenly something stupid like a whole note tied to a dotted half. It sounds like you're running into a brick wall. It really does sound better to shorten the long notes. My beef is this: If these pieces are poorly arranged, then let them be heard that way. People think this new stuff is so wonderful that they can just toss out good old traditional stuff without a second thought. Let them hear it for what it is. If it's awkward to sing, or sounds = stupid, then maybe that's a clue that it's not so wonderful after all. If I have = to cover up other people's bad work, then no one's really going to know. However, if I raise too much of a stink, I'm really being a hypocrite because I like to change and vary things all the time. I do it for effect = and so as not to repeat myself. Why is that different from making changes to improve not so good tune arrangements? Thanks, Mike
(back) Subject: Choral Wedding Music From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:35:11 -0500 (CDT) One of the works not mentioned by anyone is William Walton's "Set Me As a Seal Upon Thine Heart".
(back) Subject: St Paul's Cathedral, London From: "alantaylor" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:45:06 +0100 I am pleased to tell, at least those who are interested, that the Dean of = St Paul's Cathedral has cancelled the ban on the congregation sitting in the quire. All is as it was. Alan
(back) Subject: RE: St Paul's Cathedral, London From: "Mark Turnbull" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:51:34 +0100 Well done. Its people like you and me, who got the stupid restriction lifted. Good old people power -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of alantaylor Sent: 14 August 2003 08:45 To: PipeChat Subject: St Paul's Cathedral, London I am pleased to tell, at least those who are interested, that the Dean of St Paul's Cathedral has cancelled the ban on the congregation sitting in the quire. All is as it was. Alan "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:email@example.com Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com