PipeChat Digest #3885 - Sunday, August 17, 2003
 
Pipe organ repair and maintanence
  by <Lketel@aol.com>
Re: Dan Locklair
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net>
RE: Wedding Music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03
  by "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Dan Locklair
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
"off-topic" topic :)
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
RE: "off-topic" topic :)
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: Wedding Music
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Wedding Music
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Pipe organ repair and maintanence From: <Lketel@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:59:34 EDT   Does anyone know if there are any companies that repair and install large =   pipe organs in the Norfolk/Richmond Va area? Thanks....L Ketel    
(back) Subject: Re: Dan Locklair From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:03:46 -0700   Locklair also wrote a piece called CONSTELLATION for organ and percussion. If a recording exists, I'd be interested in knowing about it. Blaine Ricketts   ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote:   > Does anyone on the list own a recording of RUBRICS (for organ) by Dan > Locklair? I bought a score when it was published in manuscript, but > have heard it is available in an engraved edition. >      
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:18:42 -0500   Ode to Joy =96 now that=92s a great recessional for a divorce, but it's = more wishful thinking than reality.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Swedish5702@aol.com   I recently did a wedding processional with only the Zimbelstern speaking. It certainly received a most interesting response from other organists present. If more young people would hear those glorious tinkling bells in their marriages, there would be less divorce suits and more happy returns for many years to come. My recessional was: ODE TO JOY!=A0 Enough said. Music during the = ceremony was played on the Harpsichord.        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03 From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:16:04 -0400   From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:56:20 -0500   <The whole notion that the traditional stuff is "boring" is really a sad commentary on how we have played than on the music itself.> <Perhaps it is not the organ or organ music that is boring. Just maybe, we are at fault because we fail to render it musically.> <What do you think?>   I'm glad you asked! Personally, I think all of the talk about = traditional music being boring is CRAP! I have been worshiping in various traditions for over fifty years and have heard traditional church music played traditionally throughout this time. None of it has become boring to me. And I have spoken with many people of like opinion. Those people who = claim traditional music is boring simply do not like it (which is their priviledge). Calling it boring is simply the response of people who = aren't articulate enough to actually form an intelligent opinion and express it honestly. It amazes me how someone can go into a service with exciting classical music representing several centuries and solid hymnody with = music and poetry that, as well, represents several centuries, and say it is boring, and then jump in their car and listen to the insipid three-chord, and repetative text noise than now passes for music.   It is bad enough that these people are allowed to pass judgement on traditional worship , but then to have members of our own profession jump = on the band wagon and offer to assume the blame for "great music being dull" = is absolutely inane. Even four stanzas of a hymn played on principal = chorus only to accompany a congregation of worshipers is not dull.   It's interesting that this comes up about the same time that people are complaining about clergy disrupting worship, stomping on church flags, = etc. What is most disturbing to me is that people simply sit by and watch this going on. Unless and until people are willing to assume responsibility = for defending our faith and worship and get up off their pews and heave these devils from the building, we will continue to be cast aside by "modern innovation."   Wake up, people! It's time for action. The enemy is more likely in = the pulpit than in the pew!   Bruce Cornely Gainesville, Fl   Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D473FAAG381F58      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03 From: "Bruce Cornely" <cremona@cervo.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:24:22 -0400   Noel Jones wrote: <What you are suggesting in essence is that since the Traditional Wedding Marches are not appropriate because they are forever attached to failed and sham marriages in their operatic context, that they are more than suitable for divorce ceremonies?>   My comment, regarding the "track record" of the trumpet tunes was mean to show the fallacy of linking innocent music with "bad luck" from various events or origins. There are probably more happy marriages that began with Lohengrin, than ones that ended in divorce considering that Lohengrin was very popular in time when people married and stayed together.   One of the greatest beauties of music is that is transcends text and tradition, and, in many cases can say whatever someone needs to hear.     Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at HowlingAcres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 Help Some Animals Free: http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.care2.com/welcome?w=3D308025421 GET PAID to shop: http://ct.par32.com/?id=3D473FAAG381F58      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03 From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:49:42 -0400   Agreed!   There are probably more happy marriages that began > with Lohengrin, than ones that ended in divorce considering that = Lohengrin > was very popular in time when people married and stayed together. > > One of the greatest beauties of music is that is transcends text and > tradition, and, in many cases can say whatever someone needs to hear. > > > Scritchies and Haruffarrroooo-bow-ha-wow...     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03 From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:46:09 -0500   Hello, Bruce, et al: You REPLY'd: > I'm glad you asked! Personally, I think all of the talk > about traditional music being boring is CRAP! I have been > worshiping in various traditions for over fifty years and > have heard traditional church music played traditionally > throughout this time. None of it has become boring to me. > And I have spoken with many people of like opinion. Glad you feel that way. Are you one who plays for services or one who participates from the pew or choir loft as a singer? As a music director, I encouraged the accompanists to use variety in their presentations of hymns and gospel songs. I no longer lead the music in a church, but have had many years of experience where we paid a lot attention to the details, ...just to be sure that the music was uplifting, regardless of fast or slow, fervent or restrained, hymnodic or chorus-style. I have also been through many worship meetings where others played the same settings/registrations for every stanza in every hymn without ever changing one single stop. It mattered not whether the song was a grand hymn or a simple gospel song, the registrations never changed. Left to their own headings, they probably would have never changed the tempo either. My comment was rhetorical; not specific to any worship style, ....but I've been there, heard poorly played music, and would not wish it on any other people at any time, anywhere. I heard this story just two weeks ago. A certain church, un-named or otherwise identified, had a smallish organ and a smallish choir. The organist played this organ and led the choir as well as she could. As I understand it, she pulled out all of the stops and played only on the manuals. Every song was presented this way. This was an old organ without out a lot of power, so maybe she perceived this was the only way to be heard. A generous donor provided funds for another organ of digital design, and the organ was installed. Realizing that she would be expected to play real organ music with hands and feet at the same time, she left in a panic 20 minutes before the first time the new organ was to be played. Fortunately, a very capable organist was available, and the service went on with fine music being played that inspired the people. Which, I think, was the point of what you just said. However, it also supports what I said, ...in that if we play with only one sound, the organ soon begins to sound the same way all the time, ...perhaps, a bit "boring." My younger son and I visited a church one Sunday morning, where the "organ" was never presented in any role except as a background drone for a very accomplished and talented piano player.   I still believe there is room for improvement in church music, and how it is rendered. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3884 - 08/16/03 From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:29:15 -0500     Bruce Cornely wrote, in part:   > It amazes me how someone can go into a service with exciting > classical music representing several centuries and solid hymnody with = music > and poetry that, as well, represents several centuries, and say it is > boring, and then jump in their car and listen to the insipid = three-chord, > and repetative text noise than now passes for music.   The fact is that at the moment the fastest growing segment in the grocery business is in "ground-beef additive" type foods, where one opens a box, = adds water, and perhaps an ingredient, or two, and heats to prepare an entree, = or in some cases a whole meal. Some people actually consider this to be = "cooking". It doesn't amaze me that such people, nor such people who are so lazy, that = for them "paricipating" in a sporting event, means going to watch, and maybe shouting from the bleachers, would consider the "insipid three-chord, =85repetitive text" material music, either. I would submit that it is unreasonable to expect a society which consists of people whose entire sophistication consists of forming an opinion that _this_ insipid three = chord song is better than _that_ one should have the perception necessary to appreciate better material. If one has spent one's entire life living = with "paint-by-number-on-black-velvet" portraits of Elvis Presley, one will not = get all one should from a visit to the Louvre.   Just my insipid, three chord opinion.   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Dan Locklair From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:33:06 EDT   Thank you, Greg! I'll be ordering this disc.   Dale    
(back) Subject: "off-topic" topic :) From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:58:49 -0500 (CDT)   Andrew, Jeff, or others,   My reason for "going-off" about the situation in Ft. Worth was due to Bud saying he received personal mail chiding him for being off-topic by bringing up the General Convention. I don't expect people to agree on the issue of an openly gay bishop, but I am outraged by clergy who carry-on like the priest in Ft. Worth. He could have made his point in a manner more befitting a priest who claims to be Christian. He's histronics brought back vivid memories of sick clergy I've worked with or know of, and I will not tolerate it. It's beyond the category of sin...it borders on evil.   That's all I want to say on the subject.    
(back) Subject: RE: "off-topic" topic :) From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:27:56 -0500   >I am outraged by clergy who > carry-on like the priest in Ft. Worth. He could have made his point in > a manner more befitting a priest who claims to be Christian. He's > histronics brought back vivid memories of sick clergy I've worked with > or know of, and I will not tolerate it. It's beyond the category of > sin...it borders on evil.   Terry, I couldn't agree more! The church is no place for such a scene. It's the whole glass house + stone thing again... :)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:23:06 -0400   Actually, Noel, I do a lot of the traditional war horses. I do = Mendelssohn a lot. I am a confirmed Wagnerite, too, (musically - not = politically) and love playing operatic exerpts, but somehow I don't enjoy = doing the Bridal Chorus at weddings unless I have to. I love it in its original form, but as an organ = solo it strikes me as pretty tedious. Also it is harder for me to shorten = or lengthen it on the fly than the Clarke.   It would be perversely fun to play for divorces, though, wouldn't it?   -WG   > "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> wrote: > > So, Walt... > > What you are suggesting in essence is that since the Traditional Wedding = Marches > are not appropriate because they are forever attached to failed and = sham > marriages in their operatic context, that they are more than suitable = for > divorce ceremonies? > > For some reason or other I can hear you saying, with a gleam in your = eye, "No, > my dear, I won't play them at your wedding...but I'll have them under my = fingers > for your divorce ceremony...like to schedule it now?" > > -- > noel jones, aago > athens, tennessee, usa    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:12:03 EDT   Hello gksjd85@direcway.com,   In reference to your comment:   Ode to Joy =E2=80=93 now that=E2=80=99s a great recessional for a divorce, but it's more wishful thinking than reality.   Glenda,   My divorce should be final in a few days, after over 3 1/2 years in the=20 courts. Want to play it for me? :-)   Victoria