PipeChat Digest #3894 - Thursday, August 21, 2003
 
Re:  tuning
  by "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
RE: pitch
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
perfect pitch
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: tuning
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: perfect pitch
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
NYTimes.com Article: A Hollywood Ending for Gehry Music Palace
  by <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Perfect pitch
  by "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com>
Re: tuning
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Biggs recordings - was Bavokerk tuning
  by "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com>
Re: perfect pitch
  by <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Karg Elert
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Bach's Passacaglia
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: more karg alert
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Pitch
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
music sources
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: music sources
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
attention BOB ELMS
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Biggs recordings - was Bavokerk tuning
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: perfect pitch
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: perfect pitch
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: perfect pitch
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: attention BOB ELMS
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
RE: attention BOB ELMS
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
ALL READ! - Viruses floating around
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
IRC tonight
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: tuning From: "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:33:54 -0500   Re: Bavokerk tuning >>I used to keep a list of the Hz of every key of the piano...     http://www.vibrationdata.com/piano.htm   or   http://coba.belmont.edu/fac/tappant/piano.htm      
(back) Subject: RE: pitch From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:34:11 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   I think not! (1756-1791)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Alicia Zeilenga <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> wrote: > Could someone explain to me how Mozart could have > had perfect pitch?     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: perfect pitch From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:56:44 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   I have a sad little knocking-box organ (Yamaha) by the side of the computer.   I just tried an F by imagining the start of the Widor Toccata.   I was spot on!   I didn't know I could do that.   Is there a cure?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK (worried)   --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > perfect pitch means the ability to identify a given > pitch without reference to other pitches   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: tuning From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:57:18 -0400   On 8/21/03 1:33 PM, "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> wrote:   >>> >>I used to keep a list of the Hz of every key of the piano... > =20   Bill, thanks a bunch. Really. I haven=B9t had that list in years. But this morning I got so frustrated that I did the unthinkable: Went to Google and found several sources for it.   But I DO appreciate your kindness.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: perfect pitch From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:08:29 -0400   In a message dated 8/21/2003 1:56:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:   > I have a sad little knocking-box organ (Yamaha) by the > side of the computer. > > I just tried an F by imagining the start of the Widor > Toccata. > > I was spot on! > > I didn't know I could do that. > > Is there a cure?   it's a little scary, isn't it?? when i need an e-flat, i think of the = opening of mahler's 8th symphony, or bach's st. anne P&F. from there, i = can get any other pitch i need.  
(back) Subject: NYTimes.com Article: A Hollywood Ending for Gehry Music Palace From: <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:15:55 -0400 (EDT)   This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by dillardm@airmail.net.     Disney Hall in LA is opening in October. Run the slide show - the last = picture is the interior and shows the organ. It is wild, but so is the = rest of the building - inside and out.   dillardm@airmail.net   /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\   Explore more of Starbucks at Starbucks.com. http://www.starbucks.com/default.asp?ci=3D1015 \----------------------------------------------------------/   A Hollywood Ending for Gehry Music Palace   August 21, 2003 By BERNARD WEINRAUB         The Walt Disney Concert Hall, an audacious building designed by Frank Gehry, is set to open in October - six years later than originally planned.   http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/21/arts/design/21DISN.html?ex=3D1062489754&e= i=3D1&en=3D6aa6cc4b0702adcc     ---------------------------------   Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine reading The New York Times any time & anywhere you like! Leisurely catch up on events & expand your horizons. Enjoy now for 50% off Home Delivery! Click here:   http://www.nytimes.com/ads/nytcirc/index.html       HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo   For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com.   Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company  
(back) Subject: Re: Perfect pitch From: "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:27:33 -0500   > > > >Subject: Biggs recordings - was Bavokerk tuning >From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:03:48 -0400 > >With all this talk of Biggs record(ing)s ... > >So many of the great Biggs records I grew up with have never been issued = on CDs. Why not? They sold quite well as LPs, so why would whoever owns = them not bother? They bother with so much other schlock that seems = destined to end up in the cutout bins. As dated as some of them are, = there is a lot to be learned from them. I'd particularly like to have = "Bach in the Thomaskirche" without the needle noise. I've never found a = recording of the Passacaglia I liked better. > >   Walter I agree about that old Biggs Passacaglia (though I did like Daniel Chorzempa's too). With regard to perfect pitch I seemto recall that it's a combination of talent and early study. It seems kids who study and instrument before age 6 or 7 (Mozart would certainly qualify) and who have the genetic predisposition can develop perfect pitch. It seems once the brain reaches a certain level of maturity the ability to grow the necessary synapses (sp) is lost. I'd check those you know who have perfect pitch and ask at what age they began studying music. Those I know were all studying by age 6.   Steve Chandler    
(back) Subject: Re: tuning From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:37:28 -0500   Good web site for notes, and their frequencies:   http://www.vibrationdata.com/piano.htm     David E   David Evangelides Colorado Springs, Colorado     -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:57:18 -0400 Subject: Re: tuning   > On 8/21/03 1:33 PM, "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> wrote: > > >>> >>I used to keep a list of the Hz of every key of the piano... > > > > Bill, thanks a bunch. Really. I haven=B9t had that list in years. But > this > morning I got so frustrated that I did the unthinkable: Went to Google > and > found several sources for it. > > But I DO appreciate your kindness. > > Alan >      
(back) Subject: Re: Biggs recordings - was Bavokerk tuning From: "Steve Chandler" <stevec@open-tech.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:35:26 -0500   > > >Walter Greenwood wrote: >With all this talk of Biggs record(ing)s ... > >So many of the great Biggs records I grew up with have never been issued = on CDs. Why not? They sold quite well as LPs, so why would whoever owns = them not bother? They bother with so much other schlock that seems = destined to end up in the cutout bins. As dated as some of them are, = there is a lot to be learned from them. I'd particularly like to have = "Bach in the Thomaskirche" without the needle noise. I've never found a = recording of the Passacaglia I liked better. > >-WG > > > Hi Walter,   I seem to recall that the original master tapes were either destroyed, lost or had deteriorated too much to be saved. Given that many tape companies changed their formulations in the mid 60s and within a decade those tapes were already in bad shape I'd opt to believe the latter. Sometimes it was a matter of just a few years. After some time it was discovered that baking the tape at 150 degrees for a few hours would reset the binder and allow the tape to be played enough to transfer the recording. I'm afraid Biggs at the Thomaskirche will only exist on vinyl, though you can always transfer it to CD from the record.   Steve Chandler http://www.mp3.com/stevechandler    
(back) Subject: Re: perfect pitch From: <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:54:18 -0700   That's weird...   I just tried the same thing..........   and started playing the Widor on a CD... EYE too was spot-on   That would explain why playing with the transposer drives me NUTS (I've = never been able to understand it, but my fingers keep grabbing for the = wrong keys)   EYE can't NAME the notes as you play them, but... my SISTER can... must = run in the family   -Jonathan > From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > Date: 2003/08/21 Thu AM 10:56:44 PDT > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: perfect pitch > > Hello, > > I have a sad little knocking-box organ (Yamaha) by the > side of the computer. > > I just tried an F by imagining the start of the Widor > Toccata. > > I was spot on! > > I didn't know I could do that. > > Is there a cure? > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK (worried) > > --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > perfect pitch means > the ability to identify a given > > pitch without reference to other pitches > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Karg Elert From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:18:38 EDT   In a message dated 8/20/2003 11:09:52 AM Central Daylight Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:   > > I have the distinction of once falling asleep during a > performance of his "Lake Constance" epic, and the > organist has never forgiven me. >   My goodness, Colin; how could one fall asleep during "Soul of the Lake" = - one of the most impressionistic and poetic works in all of organ = literature, unless (of course) it was not played well or convincingly? The storm in = it is amazing (though relatively short-lived), but the calm and serenity which follows is magical, in my opinion. Take a second listen . . . or better = yet, learn it and play it!   Dale Rider Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: Bach's Passacaglia From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:19:16 -0400     >> >>With all this talk of Biggs record(ing)s ... >> >>So many of the great Biggs records I grew up with have never been issued =   >>on CDs. Why not? They sold quite well as LPs, so why would whoever = owns >>them not bother? They bother with so much other schlock that seems >>destined to end up in the cutout bins. As dated as some of them are, >>there is a lot to be learned from them. I'd particularly like to have >>"Bach in the Thomaskirche" without the needle noise. I've never found a =   >>recording of the Passacaglia I liked better. >> > >Walter I agree about that old Biggs Passacaglia (though I did like Daniel =   >Chorzempa's too). With regard to perfect pitch I seemto recall that it's = a >combination of talent and early study. It seems kids who study and >instrument before age 6 or 7 (Mozart would certainly qualify) and who = have >the genetic predisposition can develop perfect pitch. It seems once the >brain reaches a certain level of maturity the ability to grow the >necessary synapses (sp) is lost. I'd check those you know who have = perfect >pitch and ask at what age they began studying music. Those I know were = all >studying by age 6. > >Steve Chandler Steve and Walter,   I agree with you on Bigg's recording of the Passacaglia. It is a great recording from the point of view of showing off the architecture of the piece. I think I like Chorzempa's recording even better, but compared to these 2 recordings the other dozen versions on disc I have are just not worth listening to, other than to hear the sound of the organ maybe.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: more karg alert From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:20:28 EDT   Idyll    
(back) Subject: Re: Pitch From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:28:48 -0400   I'm truly envious, Bud. (Of you, not Ms. Battle.) It seems clear that = she was born with an ability to remember frequencies exactly, but she had = to LEARN that A=3D440, since that is a man-made and not a natural rule. = I'd love to be on a first name basis with her, but I'd hate to be driven = nuts every time I hear music at a pitch other than whatever I learned was = "correct" in my formative years. Temperment is bad enough to deal with - = Heck, I was in my thirties before I could listen to meantone without = cringing. Now I love it in the right context, but it was hard to overcome = my prejudice against it.   -WG   > quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > Kathleen Battle and I were classmates at Cincinnati College-Conservatory > of Music in Cincinnati; prior to her debut, she was my soprano soloist > for eight years at Old St. Mary's RC Church in Cincinnati, where the > 1928 Austin was tuned to something weird like A=3D438. Kathy HAS perfect > pitch, but it's A=3D440, and singing with the organ used to drive her > CRAZY, since it wasn't exactly a half-step transposition she could make > in her head (chuckle). > > Cheers, > > Bud   Alicia, that's exactly what I was thinking.     > Alicia Zeilenga wrote: > > Perfect pitch can be a real bother, believe me.    
(back) Subject: music sources From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:33:33 -0400   got a question for y'all...   in an earlier life whenever i needed to order some organ music, i just = picked up the vester organ catalog & found what i needed. now that vester = is out of business, is there any other source y'all know of that is as = complete as their's was?   thanks,   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: music sources From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:22:08 -0700   George Butterfield at Organ Stop in San Diego. He's a working organist; he knows where to find EVERYTHING, if he doesn't have it in stock.   organstopsales@aol.com   He also has a lot of hard-to-find out-of-print music ... sales of that benefit the AGO Scholarship Fund.   Cheers,   Bus   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > got a question for y'all... > > in an earlier life whenever i needed to order some organ music, i just = picked up the vester organ catalog & found what i needed. now that vester = is out of business, is there any other source y'all know of that is as = complete as their's was? > > thanks, > > scot > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: attention BOB ELMS From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:47:23 -0700   Sorry, list ...   Bob, either I miscopied your address, or the virus is wreaking havoc ... please resend.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Biggs recordings - was Bavokerk tuning From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:45:09 -0400   > >Walter Greenwood wrote: > >With all this talk of Biggs record(ing)s ... > > > >So many of the great Biggs records I grew up with have never been > >issued on CDs. Why not? They sold quite well as LPs, so why > >would whoever owns them not bother? They bother with so much > >other schlock that seems destined to end up in the cutout bins. As > >dated as some of them are, there is a lot to be learned from them. > >I'd particularly like to have "Bach in the Thomaskirche" without > >the needle noise. I've never found a recording of the Passacaglia > >I liked better. > Then Steve Chandler said: > I seem to recall that the original master tapes were either destroyed, > lost or had deteriorated too much to be saved.   I remember reading on one of the lists that the original tape masters for = most of the Biggs recordings were lost forever due to a fire in the CBS studio where they were stored. More's the pitty, too. I'd love to have some of those remastered onto CD.   One of the first albums I bought was the Biggs recording of the Mozart = works at St Bavo's. I LOVED it. After that, I bought Biggs' recordings = whenever I ran across them and had the money, so I sort of teethed on his recordings = of Bach.   Cheers, TommyLee    
(back) Subject: Re: perfect pitch From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:00:55 -0500   My "reference point" is perhaps even stranger.   When I was in junior high school (too many years ago!) I played the trombone in the band. I've *still* got that damned b-flat (which it tuned =   to) in the back of my brain, and can mentally go from there to identify an =   unknown note.   Apparently, there is no cure. ;-)   An almost-related aside: a friend recently made a CD from a live concert recording, which included the 'Final" from Vierne's Symphony I. When listening to the disk on a car trip, all seemed fine until the first notes =   of this work started to play. (previous tracks were works much less familiar to me, if at all) When it began, I was startled out of the = middle of a totally unrelated conversation, and exclaimed something on the order of "What the h*** is going on here? This is in the wrong key!!" (it was indeed just about a complete half-step sharp, as we found out later) Knowing that the organ in the recording does not have a transposer =   gadget, and that the Vierne was played in the correct key at the live performance, (I was there) I was mystified, to say the least. Turns out that something had gone slightly wrong in the transfer process from the original DAT recording to CD...rendering the whole recording not only sharp, but rather a bit too fast, as well.   Very much like a LP recording being spun a little too fast...I didn't = think CD's could DO that...it was kind of eerie!!   Cheers,   Tim   At 06:56 PM 8/21/2003 +0100, Colin wrote: <snip> >I just tried an F by imagining the start of the Widor >Toccata. > >I was spot on! > >I didn't know I could do that. > >Is there a cure?          
(back) Subject: Re: perfect pitch From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:11:51 EDT   Tim:   I also have this blessed or be darned gift. I dread going to a church in = the summer or dead of winter and the even temperature isn't equal in both pipe =   chambers.   I am sure you will agree it is the same as listening or playing a digital =   vs. all pipe organ.   Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: perfect pitch From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:54:01 -0400   On 8/21/03 7:11 PM, "Swedish5702@aol.com" <Swedish5702@aol.com> wrote:   > I also have this blessed or be darned gift. I dread going to a church in = the > summer or dead of winter and the even temperature isn't equal in both pip= e > chambers. >=20 > I am sure you will agree it is the same as listening or playing a digital= vs. > all pipe organ. >=20 Craig, I can definitely understand that. But that=B9s not perfect pitch, but dissonance between two chambers. Go to an Anglican church in Canada. Grea= t and Pedal on the north; Swell and Choir on the south. Snow on the north choir; sunshine on the south choir. (And chambers, of course.) You can imagine the dissonance. Not nice. Register with care. (About digital vs. all pipe, I have no idea; sorry.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: attention BOB ELMS From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:38:29 +0800   Bud, all is well this end. Your PDF file came through and opened as normal. There are strange thing going on however as I have received several posts which have an attachment which has been removed by my ISP. Obviously they are birus infected. Regards, Bob. Address should be as at top of this email.   ---- Original Message ---- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org, Subject: RE: attention BOB ELMS Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:47:23 -0700   >Sorry, list ... > >Bob, either I miscopied your address, or the virus is wreaking havoc >... >please resend. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: RE: attention BOB ELMS From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:39:18 +0800   Sorry! I meant VIRUS infected. Bo.   ---- Original Message ---- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org, Subject: RE: attention BOB ELMS Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:47:23 -0700   >Sorry, list ... > >Bob, either I miscopied your address, or the virus is wreaking havoc >... >please resend. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: ALL READ! - Viruses floating around From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:06:09 -0500   Bob Elms made mention about some emails with attachments that he has received with the attachments stripped off. Right now, according to various reports i have read, this is the worst week for viruses on the Net.   They will basically only affect machines running some version of Windows. They will not run or prorogate from Macs or Unix/Linux machines. If you are running any version of Windows please go to the Windows update site and download the latest patches to protect your machine.   So far, as far as i can tell, this list has not had problems with someone's machine being infected but there is always the possibility. Actually, I might find out after sending this email to see if i start getting "bounces" for this account saying something to the affect that my mail to someone was rejected since it contains a virus. This did happen to me following a posting the other day to another list - I have been inundated with bounce messages.   Most of these current viruses "spoof" the name of the sending and also use someone's address book/history file to send itself out. The following is from the Symantec Web Site: **************************************** Email routine details The email message has the following characteristics:   From: Spoofed address (which means that the sender in the "From" field is most likely not the real sender). The worm may also use the address admin@internet.com as the sender. NOTES: The spoofed addresses and the Send To addresses are both taken from the files found on the computer. Also, the worm may use the settings of the infected computer's settings to check for an SMTP server to contact. The choice of the internet.com domain appears to be arbitrary and does not have any connection to the actual domain or its parent company.   Subject: Re: Details Re: Approved Re: Re: My details Re: Thank you! Re: That movie Re: Wicked screensaver Re: Your application Thank you! Your details   Body: See the attached file for details Please see the attached file for details.   Attachment: your_document.pif document_all.pif thank_you.pif your_details.pif details.pif document_9446.pif application.pif wicked_scr.scr movie0045.pif ****************************   If you get anything with subjects like this TRASH it IMMEDIATELY - DO NOT OPEN IT.   For more information you can go to the Symantec Web site at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f@mm.html   And Remeber, this is NOT a topic for conversation on the list. Tim and I are the only ones that can post anything about viruses.   If any of you have any questions please feel free to email me PRIVATELY.   Now back to Happy PipeChatting   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: IRC tonight From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:53:15 -0700   I'm going to go forage briefly for some supper; then I'll be on.   Cheers,   Bud