PipeChat Digest #3895 - Friday, August 22, 2003 Re: Mozart's perfect pitch (Long, sorry) by "Paul Valtos" <email@example.com> RE: pitch by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: ALL READ! - Viruses floating around by "Tim Bovard" <email@example.com> Re: pitch by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Re: pitch by <ContraReed@aol.com> Re: pitch by "noel jones" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Classic recordings (was:Bach's Passacaglia) by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Re: Karg Elert by "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: "Perfect" Pitch by "John Foss" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Mozart's perfect pitch (Long, sorry) From: "Paul Valtos" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:01:45 -0400 Dear Bill, I think you are right about intervals. I can normally hear a wrong = chord or the wrong note in a chord accompaniment. Most times the change = takes it into a minor key which changes the setting of the piece if it = was written in a major one. Sometimes when I am improvising on a hymn, = I'll go to a minor key and then modulate into another key to change the = accompaniment but not the basic melody. I'm not a music major so I = probably don't make much sense but it's all internal to my head. Hmmm. = Wonder where that is.LOL Paul=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Mozart's perfect pitch (Long, sorry) >>and was able to hear a song once, recognize the >>pitches, and play the some back immediately. But you don't need perfect pitch to be able to do that--just a keen = sense of musical intervals. It's generally called "playing by ear", = which many without perfect pitch can do readily. It's a sense that can = probably be sharpened by studying scales--in all the modes.
(back) Subject: RE: pitch From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:26:15 -0500 Thanks for all of your replies. It has been an interesting discussion and = I have learned a lot. It would be interesting to hear a Beethoven sonata = (for example) played on pianos tuned two different ways to compare the sound. Amy
(back) Subject: Re: ALL READ! - Viruses floating around From: "Tim Bovard" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:17:46 -0500 At 08:06 PM 8/21/2003 -0500, David wrote: <snip> >So far, as far as i can tell, this list has not had problems with >someone's machine being infected but there is always the possibility. <snip> Dear Pipechatters, David is quite correct. Today alone I have received at least a dozen "bounced mail" notices for mail that I have not sent to addresses I have never heard of. There will likely be more. So far, Pipechat doesn't seem to be affected, and we hope it will not be. Perhaps there is some benefit for us all that the servers that run = the List are hosted on Mac computers. (although, my personal machine runs = W2K, but with Norton Anti-Virus that updates itself every time I go online) These virii pick up addresses from wherever they can find them in unprotected computers and go (EVERYWHERE!) from there. If any of you don't have updated (today!) anti-virus software running on your computer, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE give serious consideration to changing that situation, immediately. This action on your part will help us all avoid problems with the List. After all, if everyone ran current a-v programs, we wouldn't have these problems.....! If you can not/will not obtain such software, the only recourse is = probably to simply shut your machine OFF for a few days, until this all works = itself out. Thank you all for your help! Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator
(back) Subject: Re: pitch From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:50:55 -0400 In a message dated 8/21/2003 10:26:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = email@example.com writes: > Thanks for all of your replies. It has been an interesting discussion = and I > have learned a lot. It would be interesting to hear a Beethoven sonata = (for > example) played on pianos tuned two different ways to > compare the sound. i have two pianos, both built in 1911. currently my brother has one, but = for a few years i had them in the same room of my house. the upright = holds its tune extremely well -- only needs tuning about every 7 years -- = so i keep it at A-440. the grand (a chickering) i had re-pitched in 1992 = to A-435, which was international pitch in 1911. amazingly, when i did = that, all of the weird "hotspots" in the compass evened out and it sounded = much better. but i digress... a countertenor friend of mine used to come over to practice (i was his = accompanist) and he always wanted to sing with the grand because the pitch = made it easier for him to sing the literature. he said it just felt like = it fit his voice better. of course, a bit lower would have been even = better, but the piano wasn't built for a lower pitch, and i'm not going to = transpose a bach aria from G major to G-flat major. scot
(back) Subject: Re: pitch From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:59:07 EDT In a message dated 8/21/03 10:26:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: << It would be interesting to hear a Beethoven sonata (for example) played on pianos tuned two different ways to compare the sound. = >> There is at least one electric keyboard (a Korg I think), on which the = player can select different tunings. It takes some playing with, but eventually = you can hear the difference between some of them.
(back) Subject: Re: pitch From: "noel jones" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:52:12 -0400 Actually, recording the same piece in equal and other temperaments does = create a bit of a challenge, since the organist often will "milk" the sound of the temperament they prefer...I had the opportunity to produce a CD with 12 = works with each one on the Cd twice (in and out of equal temperament) on it. So = we recorded the works using MIDI. This MIDI recording then 'played the organ' using the same stops but one = pass recorded in equal and the second in one of the various popular = temperaments. Amy, since you started this thread, I'd be glad to send you a = complimentary copy of the CD, "The Joy of Temperaments". If you like, send me your snail = mail address so that I can mail it to you. How effective was this project? The organist, who had access to = temperaments on the instrument but never used them, now uses them all the time. The other = day I stopped in to rehearse some duets of Piazzola Tangos we are working, = played a few chords and found we were in meantone from the last piece she had been practicing...as I said, The Joy (!) of Temperaments, -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com
(back) Subject: Classic recordings (was:Bach's Passacaglia) From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:52:56 +0100 (BST) Hello, Isn't it strange how some recordings just leap off the vinyl or plastic? There are so FEW outstanding recordings, and somehow, they gain almost universal acceptance as the standard when they are realeased. I have a large LP collection still, and a lot of CD's, but I bet that only a dozen or so really deserve a place in my "top spot list". I wonder if others would possibly agree with my own top dozen choices, assuming that they have heard the recordings:- In no particular order of merit A Minor Prelude and Fugue (the big one) Bach played by Michel Chapuis at Zwolle. Toccata from Suite Opus 5 - Durufle - Jane Parker Smith at Blackburn Cathedral. Introduction & Passacaglia - Healey Willan - played by Francis Jackson at York Minster BACH by Reger - Gerre Hancock at St Thomas NY Gigue Fugue - Bach - Harvard BR Museum - Biggs Allegro Symph.6 - Widor - Jos van der Kooy - St Bavo, Haarlem (Newly obtained two weeks ago) Sonata on 94th Psalm - Reubke - Roger Fisher - Chester Cathedral. Sweelinck - Oudekerk Amsterdam (Sweelinck organ) Ton Koopman P & G in G minor - Dupre - Graham Steed - Blackburn Cathedral Noel avec variation - Dupre - Marsha Heather Long - St J the D in NY Giga - Bossi - Virgil Fox - Riverside Castro Wurlitzer CD - Simon Gledhill No.13? Almost anything played by George Wright! I'm sure everyone will have different ideas! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Karg Elert From: "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 04:56:25 +0100 (BST) Hello, Could I possibly pass on that? Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote: > My goodness, Colin; how could one fall asleep > during "Soul of the Lake" - > > Take a second > listen . . . or better yet, learn > it and play it! ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: "Perfect" Pitch From: "John Foss" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 06:41:02 +0100 (BST) "Perfect" pitch is related to memory and can be learnt. Norman Johnson used to get me to sing an A at the start of every organ lesson (Mark Quarmby out there?!). In fact this exercise heightens ones aural awareness - if that doesn't sound too pompous! Like all skills, it needs to be kept in practice, and fades with disuse. For some people this facility happens naturally from their everyday experience. For others it requires work. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/