PipeChat Digest #3909 - Thursday, August 28, 2003
 
Re: Karg Elert
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
One 16 question
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
re 16 just sent
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: One 16 question
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: One 16 question
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Sydney's Trombone and Dupre
  by "Robert Fox" <foxy@kbdnet.net.au>
Re: trains
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: trains
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Steam Railways
  by "Fr. Joseph M. Bakko +" <Sacerdos@ll.net>
flute A Biberon?
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
Re: flute A Biberon?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: flute A Biberon?
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Disney Hall
  by "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
Re: New Walt Disney Concert Hall Organ Installation
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: flute A Biberon?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: flute A Biberon?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
The Big One
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
original message
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: Disney Hall
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: The Big One
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant
  by "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
IRC
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: IRC
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: IRC
  by "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu>
Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: The Big One
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Re: The Big One
  by "Dennis J. Ensminger" <dentronics.Saville@verizon.net>
Re: The Big One
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: The Big One
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: The Big One
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: The Big One
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Banalities? Nawt!
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: 16' bourdon
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Karg Elert From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:39:09 +0100   There is something for everybody in Karg-Elert - great variety - some things to like - some to dislike.   The collection 'Twenty Preludes and Postludes - Op. 78 (according to KE- = Op. 65 left-overs) has several atttractive pieces - No 9 is a favourite - and one or two poor ones (No.1 ?). (Breitkopf 8269)   Another favourite is his gorgeous arrangement of the Bach Air from the = Suite in D with the melody in the tenor (Breitkopf 8532).   Also worth a look is 'Sempre Semplice' Op 142 - 12 pieces which include a heart-rending funeral march (No 9) and what must surely be a pattern for 'Nun Danket' (No 12). Also, for your Wurlitzer, 'Invocation' (No 5). (Cathedral Music).   As I said - something for everybody.   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Karg Elert     > I'd like to ask the list what Karg-Elert works are truly worth playing   I know only three, two of them chorale preludes, and I think that they'are all worthwhile.   First, of course, is the well-known "Nun danket".   Second, "Aus Tiefer Not" from op. 65, is slow and quiet, not difficult. = It reminds me of Brahms's chorale preludes.   The third is "Symphonische Choral Jesu, Meine Freude".    
(back) Subject: One 16 question From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:26:54 EDT   Hi all,   I asked earlier why on a Somme organs 1 16' is enough but when you have multiple 16' stops you often cannot find just the correct one?   Still need an answer if someone has one------   wondering dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: re 16 just sent From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:28:00 EDT   Somehow the word should be someone and not Somme or whatever it said.   However, the question remains.     thanks   dale    
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:41:13 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/03 1:22:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Rscottcopeland@aol.com writes:   << Having a 42 2/3' stop would be about > as useful as having a Trompette-en-Chamade Celeste. >>   doesn't coral ridge pres have a chamade celeste in hot weather? :)  
(back) Subject: Re: One 16 question From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:43:31 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/03 4:27:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Keys4bach@aol.com writes:   << I asked earlier why on a Somme organs 1 16' is enough but when you have =   multiple 16' stops you often cannot find just the correct one? Still need an answer if someone has one------ >>   i have six 16' foot flue stops in my pedal division, and i am rarely happy =   with the balance. no matter what combination i use the sound is either = too big or too little.  
(back) Subject: Re: One 16 question From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:49:17 -0400   In a message dated 8/27/2003 7:26:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Keys4bach = writes:   > I asked earlier why on a Somme organs 1 16' is enough but when you have = multiple 16' stops you often cannot find just > the correct one? > > Still need an answer if someone has one------   Perhaps because on the organ with only one 16' stop, the builder had to = think about what s/he was doing and find one that would be appropriate for = that size organ, and on the organs with several 16's, the builder just put = a bunch in, hoping the player would be able to figure it out????   BTW, for what it's worth, the organ committee at my church decided = (unanamously) to go with Patrick Murphy for the = rebuild/refurbishment/whatever of our "Mighty (but worn-out) Moller". = Last nite the Church Council accepted that recommendation, and approved = the committee hiring Patrick Murphy as well as an acoustician/architect = for the nave, once we get congregational approval.   Richard Spittel (still learning about organs and what goes into building = them)  
(back) Subject: Re: Sydney's Trombone and Dupre From: "Robert Fox" <foxy@kbdnet.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:53:29 +1000   From Robert Ampt's must-have book on the Sydney Town Hall Organ:-   ...."ever since his childhood days, when his teacher Guilmant had given = him a picture of the Sydney Town Hall organ, Dupre had wanted to play the instrument and see the 64' pipe. Upon fulfilling his dream, he exclaimed, '...its diapasons, its flutes, its reeds - they are some of the finest in the world. But ah, that 64', it is unique, it is superb.'"   Robert Fox Sydney   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: Re: Sydney's Trombone and Dupre     > It seems a bit odd that Mr. Hill's 64' Trombone should be featured = in the > Dupre recording. I read that Dupre had actually heard the beast, and = felt > that it contributed little to the organ musically. He felt that it's = value was as > an organbuilding curiosity.    
(back) Subject: Re: trains From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:37:30 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Almost going past my front door is a steam railway.   It is noisy, dirty, smelly, sets fire to the fields and frighten the cows.....it is so politically incorrect, antisocial and environmentaly unfriendly, I just love it.   In the UK, train whistles were a bit "baroque"....sort of small and high pitched with tracker action.   I also drove a steam train when I was 14, which was highly illegal because it was full of paying passengers.....the next door neighbour was the regular driver!!   I think there are about 35 steam trains in the Worth Valley Railway collection, and it was featured in the film (original version) "The railway children" and also the film "Yanks".   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: trains From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:31:42 EDT   Colin:   I've seen those great movies and over across the pond here in the USA our =   Public Television Stations have a program called Tracks Ahead that has = shot shows about your Little British Railways.   I have a dear friend who was an engineer for the New York Central = Railroad and retired from Penn Central RR that used to build live steam engine at = one inch scale to the foot. He ran both steam and diesel when he was an = engineer.   He built over 12 of them. They weigh in at 1000 pounds plus. They use = either steam brakes or air. He is a master builder. He took me to a live steam meet where a friend of =   his built a locomotive in scale of The Flying Scotsman. Simply beautiful...complete with a British style whistle.   My NYC friend built a five chime whistle that he ran with either = compressed air or with steam that when it blew sounded just like a Harrison and = Harrison or Aeolian Skinner reed chorus. Absolutely gorgeous.   Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Steam Railways From: "Fr. Joseph M. Bakko +" <Sacerdos@ll.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:52:48 -0500   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Hello, > > Almost going past my front door is a steam railway.   Dear Mr. Mitchell,   Perhaps one day you could share some information with us concerning the steam operation on the Isle of Man, a place from which some of my = ancestors hailed.   One of the remaining operational steam locomotives in the States is = Union Pacific's Challenger. Trust me when I say it's a thrill to watch that wonderful 4-6-6-4 pound by, causing the earth to shake and leaving = clouds of grey smoke hanging in midair like incense :-)   Joseph M. Bakko +       > >    
(back) Subject: flute A Biberon? From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:00:16 -0500   Does anyone know what the stop "Flute A Biberon" is? 8 foot. What kind of metal/wood, why it would be named that. Thanks!   Fran Walker Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church Glencoe, IL       ************************************************** Fran Walker (fwalker@northwestern.edu) CMS-EMS (Center for Mathematical Studies in Economics & Management Science) Northwestern University Phone: 847-491-3527; Fax: 847-491-2530 2001 Sheridan Road, Rm. 580 Evanston, IL 60208-2014 http://www.kellogg.nwu.edu/research/math **************************************************      
(back) Subject: Re: flute A Biberon? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:37:36 -0400   on 8/27/03 4:00 PM, Fran Walker at fwalker@northwestern.edu wrote:   Does anyone know what the stop "Flute A Biberon" is? 8 foot. What kind = of metal/wood, why it would be named that. Thanks!   Fran Walker Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church Glencoe, IL           A flute with a baby bottle attached?     Randolph P. Runyon Professor of French Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: Re: flute A Biberon? From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:44:13 -0500     Seems to be metal, with a chimney at the top, and similar if not the same as Flute a Cheminee.   Try this web site: http://www.organstops.org/f/FluteABiberon.html   David E   David Evangelides Colorado Springs, Colorado     -----Original Message----- From: Fran Walker <fwalker@northwestern.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:00:16 -0500 Subject: flute A Biberon?      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall From: "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:47:00 -0500   A lot of 32' trees went into the making of THAT.         ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andr=E9s G=FCnther=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Disney Hall     Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Thanks a lot for this. The organ raised a big controverse in other List a couple of months ago due to its bold = design. Big controverses usually means big interest. More info about the organ on Glatter-Goetz website www.gg-organs.com/def03.htm I am glad that this -at least externally- so unusual organ can be appreciated soon.   Cheers Andres        
(back) Subject: Re: New Walt Disney Concert Hall Organ Installation From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:05:00 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/2003 12:54:51 AM Central Daylight Time, emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu writes:   > Wow. Unbelievable! I was just hoping I wouldn't see a bunch of mouse > ears... >   Lo and behold, you didn't, but a sack of McDonalds french fries, as = someone suggested, instead. I applaud the originiality - and if the ensembles = come together in a good way (as far as sound), why not have the "fun" of such a =   design? It'll surely attract alot of people for the "organ world" - or at = least we hope so.    
(back) Subject: Re: flute A Biberon? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:11:27 -0700   Literally, "Baby-Bottle Flute" (chuckle) ... a variation of a Chimney Flute, I think.   Cheers,   Bud   Fran Walker wrote: > Does anyone know what the stop "Flute A Biberon" is? 8 foot. What > kind of metal/wood, why it would be named that. > Thanks! > > Fran Walker > Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church > Glencoe, IL > > > ************************************************** > Fran Walker (fwalker@northwestern.edu) > CMS-EMS (Center for Mathematical Studies > in Economics & Management Science) > Northwestern University > Phone: 847-491-3527; Fax: 847-491-2530 > 2001 Sheridan Road, Rm. 580 > Evanston, IL 60208-2014 > http://www.kellogg.nwu.edu/research/math > ************************************************** >        
(back) Subject: Re: flute A Biberon? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:36:36 EDT   From the French for baby's bottle. Half-covered stop; metal; dome instead = of cap; chimneys vary in proportion, but a good proportion might be 3 = diameters in length and a quarter or fifth of the main body diameter for the chimney =   diameter. Tuned at the ears. Probably not worth the extra labor over = making a standard chimney flute.  
(back) Subject: The Big One From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:06:21 -0400   Hi all,   I remember reading something that noted that the Atlantic City organ comes to us without any tonal change or revision... What on earth could = one possibly add to it? A 100" Grand Ophecleide Celeste? (Flat and Sharp = ranks)   = -Nate      
(back) Subject: original message From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:12:17 -0500   David   Maybe it is time to remind everyone again to please delete all or part of the original message. This must take up a considerable amount of = resources from the server, and it really gets old reading the same message over and over.   Jim      
(back) Subject: Re: Disney Hall From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:24:09 -0400   how do you like the division named "llamarada"??   how many llamas does it take to make a llamarada division?   three, if you slice them thinly.  
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:27:31 -0400   In a message dated 8/27/2003 4:21:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = Rscottcopeland writes:   > How often would you use such nonsense? Having a 42 2/3' stop would be = about as useful as having a Trompette-en-Chamade Celeste.   wouldn't it be a 41-1/3 (twice as long as a 10-2/3)?  
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:29:06 -0400   In a message dated 8/27/2003 7:06:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = Bigaquarium@netzero.net writes:   > I remember reading something that noted that the Atlantic City organ = comes to us without any tonal change or revision... What on earth could = one possibly add to it? <   does it have a "birdola"? (i love that name.)    
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant From: "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:09:54 -0500     10-2/3' x 2 =3D 21-1/3'   21-1/3' x 2 =3D 42-2/3'   It's quintessential, really.           ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com=20 To: "PipeChat"=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant       wouldn't it be a 41-1/3 (twice as long as a 10-2/3)?    
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:26:03 -0700   I are there (grin).   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: IRC From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:26:33 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: IRC     > I are there (grin).   This is gramatically incorrect. Those of us born in Somerset, Engfland, know that it should be "I BE there."   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: IRC From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:33:38 -0400   I can't pipechat anymore unless I either go to a lab or try to use my roomie's computer :( I hate computers and networking and all that stuff...   I will miss it!!! Shelley   >>> quilisma@socal.rr.com 08/27/03 9:26 PM >>> I are there (grin).   Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City 128' Resultant From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:05:12 EDT   ok, i admit it -- mathematics and i do NOT get along.   plus, the blue hawaiian i was drinking at the time didn't help my math = skills (such as they are).  
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:20:56 -0400     > does it have a "birdola"? (i love that name.)   I don't know about a birdola but it does have a "great woodpecker" I believe...   = -Nate      
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: "Dennis J. Ensminger" <dentronics.Saville@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:27:46 -0400   I've decided to unsubscribe from this list, because I find nothing of = value pertaining to pipe or digital organs being discussed here. Maybe after my vacation I might reconsider.......but I dislike wasting time on childish banalities. Dennis   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Re: The Big One     > > > does it have a "birdola"? (i love that name.) > > I don't know about a birdola but it does have a "great woodpecker" I > believe... > > > -Nate > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:35:04 -0700   Um, try piporg-1 ... they still wear wing collars and high-button shoes (chuckle).   Bud, who thoroughly ENJOYS this list, and occasionally contributes something INTELLIGENT (grin)   Dennis J. Ensminger wrote: > I've decided to unsubscribe from this list, because I find nothing of = value > pertaining to pipe or digital organs being discussed here. Maybe after = my > vacation I might reconsider.......but I dislike wasting time on childish > banalities. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: The Big One > > > >>>does it have a "birdola"? (i love that name.) >> >>I don't know about a birdola but it does have a "great woodpecker" I >>believe... >> >> >> -Nate >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:34:21 -0500   At 10:27 PM -0400 8/27/03, Dennis J. Ensminger wrote: >I've decided to unsubscribe from this list, because I find nothing of = value >pertaining to pipe or digital organs being discussed here. Maybe after my >vacation I might reconsider.......but I dislike wasting time on childish >banalities. >Dennis   I have saved him the trouble I took care of unsubscribing him. Only Tim or I can comment on the level of discussion. I have actually enjoyed some of it recently - it is a good relaxation from other things! And being a train nut myself I don't mind the discussion of whistles<G>   Now Back to Happy PipeChatting   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:44:18 -0400   apparently dennis doesn't know that the birdola is a legitimate organ = stop, usually two pipes bent into a bowl of oil to imitate a bird's = twittering.   btw, i noticed the disney organ has one under another name, but it's = listed as using a bowl of WATER. wouldn't that have to be refilled = constantly??  
(back) Subject: Re: The Big One From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:58:37 -0400   it's been SOOO long since i've been on IRC that i don't remember how to = sign on anymore.   :*(  
(back) Subject: Banalities? Nawt! From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:38:46 -0700 (PDT)   ALthough I subscribe to several lists, and moderate four of them myself, I really ENJOY the bantering on this list. It is intelligent and refreshing.   (Perhaps because we here in the States are hungry for so much of that fresh, intelligent Brit humor that arrives here in between the valuable advice and resources!)   pk in Southern California   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: 16' bourdon From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:47:00 EDT   John, It's funny that I happened to read your message regarding the 16' Bourdon tonight. After choir rehearsal, I was practicing a bit, and I played some = of the 16' Bourdon notes by themselves. I was suddenly quite aware that our 16' Bourdon seemed VERY underpowered, and I sort of panicked a little that = maybe it hasn't been supportive enough. You must realize that this is one of two = 16' pedal stops on the organ, the other being of total inaudibility. What = added to this panic, is that the console had been moved to facing the organ = chambers, and I thought maybe with this move, I was hearing what it "really" sounded = like. However, realizing that there was nothing that could immediately be done, = I went on with my practicing. I selected the full principal chorus, coupled = to the great, with the 16' Bourdon on, and I was surprised by how MUCH = support that it suddenly gave. I played through several hymns, and felt a lot = better afterwards, realizing that the bass notes would no doubt bloom as it gets = farther into the room anyway.   Anyway, I just said this to agree with you John, but to also say, that I never really realized it happened. Hey, maybe this would also work with = the "other" 16' rank that was previously classified as "being of total = inaudibility! But I guess God can perform only so many miracles at a time. Thanks, Josh