PipeChat Digest #4137 - Wednesday, December 3, 2003
 
A short report on a quick trip to NYC
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
RE: A short report on a quick trip to NYC
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Box of whistles
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Ethics Advise...
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: A short report on a quick trip to NYC
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Re: Beecham and Skeletons
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: A short report on a quick trip to NYC
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: A short report on a quick trip to NYC
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
RE: Box of whistles
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Sad news from Holland
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Sad news from Holland
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Sad news from Holland
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
IRC
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Sweelinck, Froberger, and Scheidt (X-Posted)
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: Ethics Advise...
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
 

(back) Subject: A short report on a quick trip to NYC From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:05:09 EST   Hi, Y'all!       Last weekend my wife, daughter and I made a quick trip to New York City. The= =20 reason for the trip was two-fold: a meeting at AGO Headquarters (I=E2=80=99m= on the=20 Committeee for the New Organist) and our daughter=E2=80=99s 17th birthday. I= t was a=20 beautiful trip in all respects (I=E2=80=99m sure American Express would say=20= the same!). We=20 were able to catch 2 Broadway shows (42nd Street and Chicago) and the Radio=20 City Music Hall Christmas Spectacular.=20       The Christmas Spectacular at Radio City was fun. I don=E2=80=99t need to see= it=20 again, but once was a good thing. Two organists performed Christmas favorit= es on=20 the organs before the show and occasionally played with the orchestra.=20 Actually, the arranger made good use of the 32=E2=80=99s and the colors of t= he organ as=20 orchestral instruments during the show. I didn=E2=80=99t recognize either of= the organists=20 (I was a long way away), but the program listed their names, George Wesner a= nd=20 Fred Davies.=20       On Sunday morning I was faced with the wonderful dilemma of where to go to=20 church. I was dressed and ready early for a change (I can=E2=80=99t say the=20= same for=20 wife or daughter), so finally decided to attend Holy Trinity Lutheran. I=E2= =80=99ve never=20 been there heard the organ. My friend, Jane Knappe of Augsburg/Fortress=20 publishers in Philadelphia, has told me of the skill and music-making of Ric= k=20 Erickson for years, and of course I knew of the Bach vesper services, so I d= ecided=20 to attend there. I=E2=80=99m now playing and conducting in a Lutheran church= , so it=20 was good to hear someone else play the liturgy, even though I could never=20 improvise like Rick. His choir is excellent.       I guess I=E2=80=99m used to big crowds, but I was surprised there were less=20= than 100=20 people at Holy Trinity. One of the members of the Committee said he had gone= =20 to Vespers and there was just a handful of people at the 5:00 service (calle= d=20 organ vespers). Rick is very free with the harmonies and the introductions o= f=20 the hymns, etc, but although these elements were free, I always knew when to= =20 sing and what to sing. It was masterful! He used the organ top to bottom, si= de=20 to side, and up and down! Rick Erickson is a wonderful musician and a fine=20 organist. It was a joy to worship at Holy Trinity on Sunday.       The two anthems Rick=E2=80=99s choir sang were the old favorite, "Jubilate D= eo" by=20 Benjamin Britten, and the very beautiful (a new anthem for me), "Sing, My S= oul"=20 by Ned Rorem.       There was a little "something" that surprised me. Part of the service music=20 included a mass of Schubert as arranged by Richard Proulx (publsihed by=20 G.I.A.). The music was duplicated in a small folder and included as an inser= t in the=20 bulletin/leaflet. There was a note asking us to return the Schubert to an=20 usher "as you leave." I wanted to keep mine, so I just tucked it back in my=20 bulletin and prepared to leave. As I got to the back door, I greeted the pas= tor,=20 shook his hand, and then came face-to-face with an usher. She asked for the=20 music; I said I wanted to keep it; she and then another usher told me I had=20= to turn=20 it back so they could use it next week. There were no exceptions I was told!= =20 O.K., O.K., I=E2=80=99ll order a copy!!=20       It was a great weekend!       Yours,       Darryl Miller   aka Darryl by the Sea        
(back) Subject: RE: A short report on a quick trip to NYC From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:29:23 -0500   Darryl, I believe the Schubert in the EH 1982 is the Proulx arrangement. You = can get it there. Mari -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = DarrylbytheSea@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:05 AM To: PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU Cc: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: A short report on a quick trip to NYC     Hi, Y'all!   Last weekend my wife, daughter and I made a quick trip to New York = City. The reason for the trip was two-fold: a meeting at AGO = Headquarters (I=E2=80=99m on the Committeee for the New Organist) and = our daughter=E2=80=99s 17th birthday. It was a beautiful trip in all = respects (I=E2=80=99m sure American Express would say the same!). We = were able to catch 2 Broadway shows (42nd Street and Chicago) and the = Radio City Music Hall Christmas Spectacular.=20   The Christmas Spectacular at Radio City was fun. I don=E2=80=99t need = to see it again, but once was a good thing. Two organists performed = Christmas favorites on the organs before the show and occasionally = played with the orchestra. Actually, the arranger made good use of the = 32=E2=80=99s and the colors of the organ as orchestral instruments = during the show. I didn=E2=80=99t recognize either of the organists (I = was a long way away), but the program listed their names, George Wesner = and Fred Davies.=20   On Sunday morning I was faced with the wonderful dilemma of where to = go to church. I was dressed and ready early for a change (I = can=E2=80=99t say the same for wife or daughter), so finally decided to = attend Holy Trinity Lutheran. I=E2=80=99ve never been there heard the = organ. My friend, Jane Knappe of Augsburg/Fortress publishers in = Philadelphia, has told me of the skill and music-making of Rick Erickson = for years, and of course I knew of the Bach vesper services, so I = decided to attend there. I=E2=80=99m now playing and conducting in a = Lutheran church, so it was good to hear someone else play the liturgy, = even though I could never improvise like Rick. His choir is excellent.   I guess I=E2=80=99m used to big crowds, but I was surprised there were = less than 100 people at Holy Trinity. One of the members of the = Committee said he had gone to Vespers and there was just a handful of = people at the 5:00 service (called organ vespers). Rick is very free = with the harmonies and the introductions of the hymns, etc, but although = these elements were free, I always knew when to sing and what to sing. = It was masterful! He used the organ top to bottom, side to side, and up = and down! Rick Erickson is a wonderful musician and a fine organist. It = was a joy to worship at Holy Trinity on Sunday.   The two anthems Rick=E2=80=99s choir sang were the old favorite, = "Jubilate Deo" by Benjamin Britten, and the very beautiful (a new = anthem for me), "Sing, My Soul" by Ned Rorem.   There was a little "something" that surprised me. Part of the service = music included a mass of Schubert as arranged by Richard Proulx = (publsihed by G.I.A.). The music was duplicated in a small folder and = included as an insert in the bulletin/leaflet. There was a note asking = us to return the Schubert to an usher "as you leave." I wanted to keep = mine, so I just tucked it back in my bulletin and prepared to leave. As = I got to the back door, I greeted the pastor, shook his hand, and then = came face-to-face with an usher. She asked for the music; I said I = wanted to keep it; she and then another usher told me I had to turn it = back so they could use it next week. There were no exceptions I was = told! O.K., O.K., I=E2=80=99ll order a copy!!=20   It was a great weekend!   Yours,   Darryl Miller aka Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Re: Box of whistles From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:51:53 +0800   I recall one of my elderly relatives about 70 years ago referring to it as a "kist of whistles". I think the origin of that one was Scottish. Bob Elms.   ---- Original Message ---- From: jlspeller@mindspring.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Box of whistles Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:39:41 -0600   >Sir Christopher Wren did indeed call the organ a Box of Whistles, >but I    
(back) Subject: Re: Ethics Advise... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:00:01 EST   Well, it won't be the first time that somebody's regime falls, and = they begin a terror campaign to get their seat of power back. If this man is = both charming AND nasty, he has a great many allies, even if they do not know = what's best for themselves or their church. Any house of worship can quickly = become an uncontrollable Kindergarten. You are doing nothing unethical. This is not about ethics. This is about somebody who didn't get his way all the time, picked up = his toys, and left, thinking he was "punishing" those who didn't cave in. Now = he wants to play again, since there is a new adult in charge. As others have said, this may be a question of whether or not it's = worth the battle for you. From what you describe, this fellow has unlimited = reserves of energy when it comes to things like this, and may be willing to let = this quest BE his life while it consumes yours. Maybe there IS another church that will appreciate your abilities; I cannot tell you to switch denominations, because that is not a change of = course that people make based upon circumstances such as these. Maybe another = church of the same denomination would welcome you. It reminds me of how Robinson Crusoe showed his rescuers all of the structures he had built on the island, including a beautiful synagogue. = As they sailed away, never to see the uninhabited speck of land ever again, the = Captain asked, "Mr. Crusoe, what's that building over there? You didn't show it = or mention it." "That's a synagogue." "But Robinson, I thought THAT = building, over there, was the synagogue you built for yourself." "Yes, it is. But THAT = one is the one I DON'T attend."   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:05:44 EST   Actually, the "box 'o whistles" thing goes back centuries.   HOWEVER, I think it may have been Stravinsky who said that the sound of a harpsichord was like a pair of skeletons copulating on a tin roof.   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:08:48 -0500   On 12/1/03 9:27 PM, "FastToccata@aol.com" <FastToccata@aol.com> wrote:   > My fees are no different for members or non-members.   I can understand that. And agree. My query on this point recently was not about the musician making different money from members than from nonmembers= , but about fees charged by the PARISH to members vs. nonmembers. My own opinion on that is that members should pay nothing, to anybody=8Bwell, maybe = a gratuity for the custodian; the parish should cover costs for musicians (at l east =B3basic=B2 musical services), etc. NON-members should resolve THAT gap in their lives, first, and contemplate marriage at their later convenience, in what will by that time have become =B3their=B2 church. The parish church should not be a =B3rental hall=B2 for social occasions with a gloss of religiosity. But that=B9s me.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:12:08 -0600   No--the skeleton thing was Sir Thomas Beecham. Bob Lind ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words     > Actually, the "box 'o whistles" thing goes back centuries. > > HOWEVER, I think it may have been Stravinsky who said that the sound of = a > harpsichord was like a pair of skeletons copulating on a tin roof. > > SMG      
(back) Subject: Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:17:52 -0800   Nope, I think it was Beecham (chuckle).   BTW, somebody on piporg-1 commented that on a recent visit to St. J the D in NYC that the organ sounded wonderful. Has a miracle occurred? Is the Skinner playing again? Or is it still the 3m electronic substitute? If it IS the latter, I hope the manufacturers don't get ahold of THOSE comments (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Actually, the "box 'o whistles" thing goes back centuries. > > HOWEVER, I think it may have been Stravinsky who said that the sound of = a > harpsichord was like a pair of skeletons copulating on a tin roof. > > SMG > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: A short report on a quick trip to NYC From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:31:50 -0800 (PST)   You really should have visited St. Luke's Lutheran Church. They have a = wonderful organist and pastor, and besides, Alan is there. Lee   DarrylbytheSea@aol.com wrote:Hi, Y'all!   Last weekend my wife, daughter and I made a quick trip to New York City. .     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now  
(back) Subject: Re: Beecham and Skeletons From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:36:27 EST   Yes, I should have known. So many great lines have been attributed to him, both musical and = wittirary.  
(back) Subject: Re: A short report on a quick trip to NYC From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:14:56 -0500   On 12/2/03 6:05 AM, "DarrylbytheSea@aol.com" <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> wrote= :   > Last weekend my wife, daughter, and I made a quick trip to New York City.= . . > . finally decided to attend Holy Trinity Lutheran. >=20 > the skill and music-making of Rick Erickson for years, and of course I kn= ew of > the Bach vesper services, so I decided to attend there. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Great report, Darryl! You got good advice, and were wise to follow i= t. > They don=B9t come much better than Rick. He=B9s a VERY solid church musician= .. > Oddly (or something) there are two other ELCA churches within walking dis= tance > of Holy Trinity (St. Luke=B9s and St. Peter=B9s) that have music of similar > quality; St. Peter=B9s exceeds it perhaps=8Band especially in attendance. Bu= t > Rick is GREAT. >=20 > I guess I=B9m used to big crowds, but I was surprised there were less than = 100 > people at Holy Trinity. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 Oh, that=B9s New York. Holy Trinity has had a variety of pastors of, s= hall > I say, varying excellence over the years. Two best in 50 years were Laza= reth > and (present) Scholtz. And now Scholtz has terminal brain tumor (in his > 50s!). So I=B9m sure they=B9re struggling. >=20 > [The usher] asked for the music; I said I wanted to keep it; she and then > another usher told me I had to turn it back so they could use it next wee= k. >=20 > =A7=A7=A7 I join you in calling that a bit =B3chintzy.=B2 At St. Luke=B9s, we often = have > such inserts, and sometimes =B3hint=B2 to get them back, but, for Pete=B9s sake= , we > don=B9t do a body search and DEMAND them back! And anyone ASKING for a cou= ple > copies will certainly GET them! >=20 > But now: A weekend in New York. Two Broadway shows and RCMH, but only o= ne > liturgy?? Next time, Choral Evensong at St. Thomas=B9!!! Worth getting ho= me > late because of. >=20 > Alan > www.stlukesnyc.org >=20      
(back) Subject: Re: A short report on a quick trip to NYC From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:15:39 -0600   Hi Darryl,   Good report on NYC. Coincidently, I just received an e-mail copy of the program at Radio City, where my good friend for over 30 years - Fred Davies has played with George Wesner for the RCMH Christmas programs. Fred is a very creative church organist and choir director. Fred & George are a great team, and perform regularly in various venues in the NY/NJ region.   David E David G. Evangelides Fulfillment Manager International Bible Society Tel. 719-867-2729 Fax. 719-867-2897   David E   David Evangelides Colorado Springs, Colorado     -----Original Message----- From: DarrylbytheSea@aol.com To: PIPORG-L@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:05:09 EST Subject: A short report on a quick trip to NYC   > Hi, Y'all! > > Last weekend my wife, daughter and I made a quick trip to New York > City. We > were able to catch the > Radio > City Music Hall Christmas Spectacular. > > The Christmas Spectacular at Radio City was fun. Two organists performed Christmas > favorites on > the organs before the show and occasionally played with the orchestra. > Actually, the arranger made good use of the 32=E2=80=99s and the colors = of > the organ as > orchestral instruments during the show. I didn=E2=80=99t recognize = either of > the organists > (I was a long way away), but the program listed their names, George > Wesner and > Fred Davies.   > > Yours, > > Darryl Miller > > aka Darryl by the Sea      
(back) Subject: Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:24:24 -0500   At 11:05 AM 12/2/03, you wrote: >Actually, the "box 'o whistles" thing goes back centuries. > >HOWEVER, I think it may have been Stravinsky who said that the sound of a >harpsichord was like a pair of skeletons copulating on a tin roof. > >SMG   Seb and all,   Now THAT was Sir Thomas Beecham who said that about harpsichords!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:53:07 -0500       quilisma@cox.net wrote: (snip)   > BTW, somebody on piporg-1 commented that on a recent visit to St. J the > D in NYC that the organ sounded wonderful. Has a miracle occurred? Is > the Skinner playing again? Or is it still the 3m electronic substitute? > If it IS the latter, I hope the manufacturers don't get ahold of THOSE > comments (chuckle). > > Cheers, > > Bud >   Indeedy Uncle Bud, Such reports may lead to CONVERTS, and we couldn't abide by that now = could we. (EvG). I can't say that's happened to me yet, but I'm beginning to appreciate the infiltration. Oh my my, I love how that string tone = supports in Barber's "Adagio for Strings". Cheers Mike      
(back) Subject: RE: Box of whistles From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:59:14 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Paul Emmons wrote: (SNIP)   >Stravinsky also had, I understand, a more specific complaint about the organ that is a point well taken, which it behooves us to remember: He said that the problem with the organ is that it does not need to = breathe. It can produce uninterrupted sound _ad infinitum_, which is not a trait of music.   Hmmmmmm... wasn't it Berlioz who said "The Monster never breathes"?   > Unfortunately, in the hands of insensitive players, it too often does exactly that.   Most people who don't like the organ came into first touch with this instrument when it was played by a bad organist... or it was a bad (or bad kept) instrument.   Just a tought Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.          
(back) Subject: Re: Box of whistles and Stravinsky's real words From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:04:32 -0500   In a message dated 12/2/2003 11:05:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna = writes:   > HOWEVER, I think it may have been Stravinsky who said that the sound of = a > harpsichord was like a pair of skeletons copulating on a > tin roof.   I thought Sir Tommy Beecham said that...  
(back) Subject: Sad news from Holland From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:20:09 -0600   The following information appeared this afternoon on Piporg-L. --------------------------------------- >On Friday 30.11.2003 Dirk Andries Flentrop died. >He was born in 1910 and was wellknown in the whole world as a >distinguished organbuilder. >Website Flentrop: http://www.flentrop.nl >This year they celebrated 100 years of Flentrop.          
(back) Subject: Re: Sad news from Holland From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:54:51 -0600   At 6:20 PM -0600 12/02/03, Tim Bovard wrote: >The following information appeared this afternoon on Piporg-L. >--------------------------------------- >>On Friday 30.11.2003 Dirk Andries Flentrop died. >>He was born in 1910 and was wellknown in the whole world as a >>distinguished organbuilder. >>Website Flentrop: http://www.flentrop.nl >>This year they celebrated 100 years of Flentrop.   The following is from the Flentrop Web Site: ********************************************************* We remember Dirk Andries Flentrop 2-12-2003 Dirk Flentrop passed away on 30 November 2003 at the age of 93. We remember Dirk Andries Flentrop, son of the founder of our firm and general director until 1976. We owe it to his vision and policy that organbuilders Flentrop grew to be a company that guided many others. He justly received broad international recognition for his endeavour to build instruments of the highest possible level. His sympathy with 'his' firm and its workers, until the last moment, has been heart-warming. We wish his widow, daughter, son in law and other members of his family strength in overcoming this loss. **************************************************************** David  
(back) Subject: Re: Sad news from Holland From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:43:37 -0600   Dirk Flentrop and his work was certainly an inspiration to many of us. Some of the finest neo Baroque instruments we have were built by him, and these will be increasingly valued in the future. He was a lecturer for the AIO, and was justly made an honorary life member. Those of us who came in contact with him were always treated with kindness and generosity, and we remember him fondly. Roy Redman   David Scribner wrote:   > At 6:20 PM -0600 12/02/03, Tim Bovard wrote: > >The following information appeared this afternoon on Piporg-L. > >--------------------------------------- > >>On Friday 30.11.2003 Dirk Andries Flentrop died. > >>He was born in 1910 and was wellknown in the whole world as a > >>distinguished organbuilder. > >>Website Flentrop: http://www.flentrop.nl > >>This year they celebrated 100 years of Flentrop. > > The following is from the Flentrop Web Site: > ********************************************************* > We remember Dirk Andries Flentrop 2-12-2003 > Dirk Flentrop passed away on 30 November 2003 at the age of 93. > We remember Dirk Andries Flentrop, son of the founder of our firm and > general director until 1976. We owe it to his vision and policy that > organbuilders Flentrop grew to be a company that guided many others. > He justly received broad international recognition for his endeavour > to build instruments of the highest possible level. > His sympathy with 'his' firm and its workers, until the last moment, > has been heart-warming. We wish his widow, daughter, son in law and > other members of his family strength in overcoming this loss. > **************************************************************** > David > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:34:26 -0800   Well, it's official ... I've got the flu ... but I'll be on for awhile .... can't lie down anyway.   Bud      
(back) Subject: Sweelinck, Froberger, and Scheidt (X-Posted) From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:32:01 EST   Hello List members,   I've been asked to do a program relating to composers at the time of Rembrandt (after Christmas, of course). It doesn't have to be music from = this period only. Any suggestions as to the greatest hits of the above composers? Sweelinck I have pretty well in hand (Variations on "Mein Junges Leben", a = couple Fantasias, but not much knowledge of what is outstanding in Frober and/or Scheidt, perhaps even Scheidemann. I'm grateful Sweelinck was know as the = "maker of German organists".   I tried a Google search for documents relating Rembrandt and Sweelinck, = but only got a ton of Johannus sites, and only a couple serious ones, but they = were in only Dutch language.   Do any of you play works by these composers with any regularity? I really =   want interesting pieces, to keep the attention of many non-organists. Fortunately, I'll be able to talk and explain a lot, but would really like = to have something profound to say also. Any hints or clues will be greatly = appreciated.   Devon Hollingsworth, in DeKalb, Illinois.  
(back) Subject: Re: Ethics Advise... From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:04:06 -0700       HndsmredLB@aol.com wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have a question to ask the group...actually I need some advise. Here = goes: > > I play the organ at a Seventh-day Adventist Church and there is a member = who was the minister of music. He was very much the diva organist/choir = director and if it wasn't done his way...it was the highway.   snip > > I know that Seventh-day Adventists are the last people on earth who = abide by what the AGO puts out. (No offence to Del Case). I grew up SDA. = I went to their schools. My parents worked for the church.   snip     Since I have taught at the college level in the SDA church for over 40 years and because my name is mentioned above (do I know you Kelly?) I feel some obligation to respond. I can't speak to your situation. I do not know enough about it, but from what you have said, I can only offer my sympathy.   I do have to react to your comment about abiding by AGO guidelines. I have seen inexcusable violations in many denominations. I have been employed by Catholic, Episcopal, Presbyterian, Methodist, Congregational, Lutheran, Christian Science, American Baptist, and Southern Baptist churches. Though I have experienced very little in the way of ethical problems, I know people who have in all of these = denominations. If you look in the back of "The American Organist" each month, you will see notices about churches that the AGO is investigating for improper termination. The large majority of them seem to be Episcopal. No church has a corner on ethics or a lack of ethics.   Having said that, I do have to acknowledge that there is almost no = professionalism in the SDA church as far as Church Music is concerned. Most of the exceptions, and there are some, are in what can be called institutional churches - ones connected with SDA schools or hospitals.   That is where most of our quality organs and trained musicians are = located.   Del W. Case Professor of Music Pacific Union College