PipeChat Digest #4138 - Thursday, December 4, 2003
 
Re: Sir Thomas Beecham
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Re:      Sweelinck, Froberger, and Scheidt (X-Posted)
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
RE: Ethics Advise...
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
SJTD
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Time delay
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Church Music in Prague
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Church Music in Prague
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net>
Re: Economy of motion (was Re: Book of fiction about organist)
  by <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>
Re: Time delay
  by <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Book of fiction about organist
  by <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>
Can you identify this piece ?
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Can you identify this piece ?
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Subject: Re: Book of fiction about organist
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Church Music in Prague
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Church Music in Prague
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net>
Re: SJTD
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <Lowkis@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Can you identify this piece ?
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Beecham From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:57:21 +0000 (GMT)   The apocryphal story I heard re Sir Thomas Beecham concerned the lady cellist in a Prom Concert rehearsal to whom he said - "Madam, that is a beautiful instrument you have between your legs. Caress it, do not scratch it." Interestingly enough his son, Adrian, came to my London home on one occasion and played my Chappell Piano. He was so heavy handed that he ruined the instrument. Obviously unintentionally, but I was not happy. (He had written some songs which we were performing at Holy Trinity, Sloane Street.)   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Line from Plati Kippers   ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams  
(back) Subject: Re: Sweelinck, Froberger, and Scheidt (X-Posted) From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:45:39 -0600   If you're looking for composers who more or less were Sweelinck's contemporaries, I'd look into the works of Scheidemann (one of my very favorites of the period), Tunder (another good guy), Scheidt, Schildt, and = 3 Praetoriuses: Michael, Jacob, Hieronymus. I've just seen your posting, Devon, and can write you privately about specifics and further suggestions this evening--if others haven't flooded you with more ideas than you need. Bob Lind ----- Original Message ----- From: <Devon3000@AOL.COM>   > I've been asked to do a program relating to composers at the time of > Rembrandt (after Christmas, of course). It doesn't have to be music = from this period > only. Any suggestions as to the greatest hits of the above composers? > Sweelinck I have pretty well in hand (Variations on "Mein Junges Leben", = a couple > Fantasias, but not much knowledge of what is outstanding in Frober = and/or > Scheidt, perhaps even Scheidemann. I'm grateful Sweelinck was know as = the "maker of > German organists". >      
(back) Subject: RE: Ethics Advise... From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:15:21 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear List   I followed this thread with some interest. I am not familiar with how = these things are managed in the US but I am familiar with the problem itself. In 1996 I was foolish enough to take over a Choir Master position which was left by the Music Director of the congregation in *exactly* the same = manner as described: He "picked up his toys and left" believing that there was no substitute for him. There was one- the sucker who is writing this. Worse: The sucker had a breakthrough success with the choir [shameless promotion <G>]. The former choirmaster remained (and still remains) as organist in the church.   Folks, my life was a hell for the five years I conducted the choir, = despite the fact that Pastor, Church Commitee members and Choir singers were a = kind and strong support to me. I will spare further details. In 2001 I took advantage of the fact that I made a sabbatical year and a longer trip = abroad to leave this ungrateful position.   My advise: Leave these folks alone with their problem and search for = better opportunities. As I can note, in your country there are plenty of them.   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: SJTD From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:04:09 -0500   Oh, no, we couldn't tolerate anything objective or truthful clouding our perceptions or those of the organ-listening public, could we? I'll send those comments to Allen forthwith, and I hope they make a million dollars with them.   Disgustedly yours, WG   > quilisma@cox.net wrote: (snip) > > > BTW, somebody on piporg-1 commented that on a recent visit to St. J = the > > D in NYC that the organ sounded wonderful. Has a miracle occurred? Is > > the Skinner playing again? Or is it still the 3m electronic = substitute? > > If it IS the latter, I hope the manufacturers don't get ahold of THOSE > > comments (chuckle). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > Indeedy Uncle Bud, > Such reports may lead to CONVERTS, and we couldn't abide by that now = could > we. (EvG). I can't say that's happened to me yet, but I'm beginning to > appreciate the infiltration. Oh my my, I love how that string tone = supports in > Barber's "Adagio for Strings". > Cheers > Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Time delay From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:58:16 -0500   On 12/31/96 8:59 PM, "Richard M Washington" <richard@sulgrave.clara.net> wrote:   > Hello, >=20 Richard: Speaking of =B3time delay,=B2 I have no idea when you posted your not= e on that subject, but I just found it in my inbox (where it may have been hiding for MONTHS), dated (as you can see, above) on New Year=B9s Eve, about seven years ago. But you=B9ve probably fixed that by now.   Anyway; that=B9s of little consequence. Though many folks whose mailboxes sort incoming mail by date may NEVER notice your posts. (Unless they=B9re better housekeepers than EYE am!)   ANYWAY: I think you=B9re right. Practice on that instrument a LOT, and you=B9ll get used to the delay.   AND: My question for Your Lordship: As you=B9ve doubtless heard, the U.S. used to have a president with the same surname as yours. Many years ago I read (in a book that THEN was a half-century old, I think) that his ancestors were Brits (that part is not in doubt), and that the family name is a corruption of the name of their ancestral home, a place called =B3Wessington.=B2 I=B9m curious. Ever heard of that?   Alan Freed New York City www.stlukesnyc.org        
(back) Subject: Church Music in Prague From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:00:42 -0500   Permit this inquiry for help. My good wife and I hope to be in Prague on Sunday 28 March 2004, thus during Lent, and are wondering where we might find good Church music, whether Protestant or (more likely) Catholic. We are aware, of course, of John Hus' background at Bethlehem Chapel there, since we live in Lancaster Co PA, where the Moravian Church is strong. = But we have no idea if there is good Moravian music in Prague on a Sunday morning.   Perhaps while I asking? Are there organ recitals in Prague on any kind of predictable schedule or places where one might have a reasonable chance of hearing one? Web site addresses would be useful, if anyone can suggest same. Anyone able to comment as to the nature of pipe organs in Prague?   We'll likely be there Saturday and Sunday would like to hear a concert of orchestra or chamber music, too. Suggestions of places whose web sites we might check out?   Thanks for whatever help anyone can give. What a blessing to be ask on lists like this! :-)   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music in Prague From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:26:50 -0500   At 03:00 PM 12/3/2003, you wrote:   >Perhaps while I asking? Are there organ recitals in Prague on any kind = of >predictable schedule or places where one might have a reasonable chance = of >hearing one? Web site addresses would be useful, if anyone can suggest >same. Anyone able to comment as to the nature of pipe organs in Prague?     I'm not an organist but I've been to Prague. I'd say that all you need to =   do to find an organ recital is to walk down the street!   We were there in late October/early November 1998 for about a week. We attended free (!) organ recitals just about every day. It's more a matter =   of choosing the repertoire you want to hear ... or perhaps the organ. = Most of these recitals were in the late afternoon or early evening.   Prague is just about the most musical city I've ever been in. There was opera in at least three theaters (not counting the performances at the Puppet Theater which at that time was Don Giovanni), symphony, and innumerable church services.   Generally they are announced daily ... during Lent I'd be surprised if you =   had a problem. Or perhaps the problem might be getting IN!   When we were there, this was a good site for finding out what performances =   were being done where and also for ordering tickets: = http://www.ticketsbti.cz/   Have a wonderful time. We loved Prague ... but watch your property ... my =   passport was lifted on our last day there!   Mura        
(back) Subject: Re: Economy of motion (was Re: Book of fiction about organist) From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:41:52 -0700   I wish I did have economy of motion when I play. I have to concentrate = very hard to hold still else I get all sorts of unwelcome side effects.   One of my favourite organists is Jeremy Spurgeon of All Saint's Cathedral = in Edmonton, Alberta Canada. He (among others) also plays the organ at = the Winspear Centre in downtown Edmonton. He sits rock solid and = motionless except for his feet.   On the other hand, I have always had a tendency to move around with the = music in various ways, either emoting or trying to make my life easier in = the short term. Here's some of the problems it causes.   I tend to sway in time. The problem is that apparently I'm "following the = beat of a different drummer" because I sway out of time with what I'm = actually playing. The audience finds this distracting and amusing.   Another problem with movement is that this puts my out of alignment with = the console. At my church organ, I have few pistons so I do a lot of = registration changes by hand. If I've swayed off somewhere and reach out = for a stop it isn't in exactly the same place each time, so I have to = sneak a peak, and promptly lose my place in the music. When I'm sitting = still, I can snag them without looking.   The same happens with pedalling. I was having a lot of trouble awhile ago = until I started playing on an instrument with an adjustable bench (the = Winspear) and another organist (Marnie Giesbrecht of the University of = Alberta) recommended that I keep the bench really high (I'm 6'0") and sit = well forward so I wouldn't have to slide around from side to side to get = the low and high notes. Now I can park myself dead centre, never move my = "bum" and reach everything. I put my church organ bench up on blocks and = noticed the same thing. Now I carefully measure the exactly position of = the bench on both instruments so I don't have to re-learn where the pedals = are each time I sit. Hence, I can now visualize where the pedal will be, = stab, and it's there by magic instead of fumbling around looking for it.   It's also more comfortable being up higher and I can keep my feet down = poised over the pedals without cramping. This means I don't spend as much = time with my feet on the bar and having to re-find the pedalboard each = time.   One final thing I've had to do is break myself of the habit of having to = press hard. I do this for two reasons. One is that hallucinating that = I'm on a piano and have to hammer the loud stuff. The other is that I = "grew up" on trackers (University of Western Ontario) and I'm now playing = on electronic action and don't need to press as hard as I used to with = three manuals mechanically coupled together.    
(back) Subject: Re: Time delay From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:05:25 -0700   The other time delay issue has to do with playing with somebody else.   I had a concert Nov 2nd. at the Winspear Centre in Edmonton. Due to the = crowding onstage from a huge concert band, a big grand piano, a cross, = various soloists, pipe bands, drummers, marchers, flag bearers, speakers = and who knows what else there was no room for the onstage console so I had = to play the "practice console" upstairs - quite a distance away.   I had a 78 voice choir on either side of me and slightly behind, the band = down below and the echo coming off the back wall so I had a mishmash of = sounds coming at me from all sides all at different times. I got through = it all by gritting my teeth, closing my ears and watching the stick (when = I could see it - with the three 32's on the mirror was shaking like an = earthquake). I swore I was ahead of everybody and it was going to be a = disaster, but I heard the recording and I was bang on.   The same applies when playing a processional/recessional. Even in a small = church there's plenty of delay between the front and the back so if you = try and play along with the choir, you'll end up going slower and slower = not realizing you're playing with the delay, not the choir. Again, you = have to close your ears and soldier on - they'll catch up with you = eventually.        
(back) Subject: Subject: Re: Book of fiction about organist From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:31:57 -0700   >manderusa@earthlink.net writes: >When the star of the movie was PRETENDING to play the organ, stomping on = the pedals etc....smoke started to bellow out from under the = console.....kinda tacky.   I was at a Diane Bish concert recently (and got to talk to her) where she = told the story of climbing a bazillion stairs to reach the console of = Notre Dame (and forgot to go to the bathroom first) for a middle of the = night rehearsal only to have the console catch on fire and begin billowing = smoke.      
(back) Subject: Can you identify this piece ? From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:55:44 -0000   Hello All,   This my 5 th (about) annual request.   Can anyone please identify this piece ?? I've trying for years to find it = - now getting really desparate.   Go to http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/misc.html click on "Unknown".   In extremis   Bruce Miles    
(back) Subject: Re: Can you identify this piece ? From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:11:52 -0800   It sounds like Vierne ... possibly "Zephyrs"?   Bud   Bruce Miles wrote:   > Hello All, > > This my 5 th (about) annual request. > > Can anyone please identify this piece ?? I've trying for years to find = it - > now getting really desparate. > > Go to http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/misc.html click on "Unknown". > > In extremis > > Bruce Miles > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Book of fiction about organist From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:05:55 -0500   Please Mr. Shaw. Be careful of your attributions. I did not say what you quote me as saying. That was written by Greg Ceurvorst, and I quoted him, duly marked as a quote, for purposes of friendly rebuttal. I understood = the fantasy elements in that movie, having first, in fact, read the book, and saw nothing whatever tacky about any of it. And, although I will NEVER = play it, I also love the Toccata, which is occasionally played by Felix Hell, when he has had his Cheerios, or whatever it takes.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Subject: Re: Book of fiction about organist     > >manderusa@earthlink.net writes: > >When the star of the movie was PRETENDING to play the organ, stomping = on the pedals etc....smoke started to bellow out from under the console.....kinda tacky. > > I was at a Diane Bish concert recently (and got to talk to her) where = she told the story of climbing a bazillion stairs to reach the console of = Notre Dame (and forgot to go to the bathroom first) for a middle of the night rehearsal only to have the console catch on fire and begin billowing = smoke. >      
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music in Prague From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:46:24 -0500   On 12/3/03 3:26 PM, "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> wrote:   > We loved Prague ... but watch your property ... my passport was lifted on= our > last day there!   Oh, very true! Mura is RIGHT. My traveling companion on that trip was/is = a New Jorker. Fancies himself the Master of the Strasse. In a few minutes they took him for $70, and he was lucky it wasn=B9t $700. or so (Took the wind out of HIS sophisticated sails=8Bwhich he deserved.)   But yes, Karl; don=B9t enter into any interesting financially profitable deal= s on the street (not that I had the remotest thought that you WOULD).   Memorize: =B3NO THANK YOU.=B2 They know what it means. Stick with it. Divert not. =20   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music in Prague From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:50:37 -0500   At 07:46 PM 12/3/2003, Alan wrote:   >Oh, very true! Mura is RIGHT. My traveling companion on that trip was/is= =20 >a New Jorker. Fancies himself the Master of the Strasse. In a few=20 >minutes they took him for $70, and he was lucky it wasn=92t $700. or=20 >so (Took the wind out of HIS sophisticated sails=ADwhich he deserved.)     I admit that I'm also a New Jorker now (since 1970), and consider myself=20 pretty street savvy. Nothing ever got lifted here! But these people are=20 really good ... we were on our way to the villa where Mozart wrote Don=20 Giovanni and stopped off at the bank to cash in some money so as to pay the= =20 hotel bill (we were leaving the next morning). Obviously we were targeted= =20 there, but I put my passport and $$ in a zipper compartment in my purse,=20 which had 3 segments in addition. I never even noticed when they unzipped= =20 the compartment and retrieved what they wanted ... And I'm someone who=20 always holds on to said purse! (Our original idea was to get the money and= =20 then return to the hotel to get rid of it, but then I said, oh why retrace= =20 those three blocks... MY MISTAKE!)   So be careful ...   Needless to say, in any foreign city -- do not respond when offered to=20 exchange money at an excessive rate ... that bodes no good ever.   But you'll love the music in Prague, that's for sure!   Mura      
(back) Subject: Re: SJTD From: "Stanley Lowkis" <Lowkis@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:15:46 -0600   OR..   Some of us could send it to the Cathedral, praising the acoustics: "Even a vacuum cleaner would sound good in there"!   Stan :)   -----Original Message----- From: Walter Greenwood <walterg@nauticom.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:04:09 -0500 Subject: SJTD   > Oh, no, we couldn't tolerate anything objective or truthful clouding > our > perceptions or those of the organ-listening public, could we? > I'll send those comments to Allen forthwith, and I hope they make a > million dollars with them. > > Disgustedly yours, > WG > > > quilisma@cox.net wrote: (snip) > > > > > BTW, somebody on piporg-1 commented that on a recent visit to St. J > the > > > D in NYC that the organ sounded wonderful. Has a miracle occurred? > Is > > > the Skinner playing again? Or is it still the 3m electronic > substitute? > > > If it IS the latter, I hope the manufacturers don't get ahold of > THOSE > > > comments (chuckle). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Bud > > > > > > > Indeedy Uncle Bud, > > Such reports may lead to CONVERTS, and we couldn't abide by that > now could > > we. (EvG). I can't say that's happened to me yet, but I'm beginning > to > > appreciate the infiltration. Oh my my, I love how that string tone > supports in > > Barber's "Adagio for Strings". > > Cheers > > Mike >      
(back) Subject: Re: Can you identify this piece ? From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:20:16 -0800   Alas, I can't identify it -- but whoever wrote it had certainly listened = to some Karg-Elert, and wasn't afraid to show it. I'd guess that it dates = from the 1930s or possibly the 40s.   MAF   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > This my 5 th (about) annual request. > > Can anyone please identify this piece ?? I've trying for years to find it - > now getting really desparate. > > Go to http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/misc.html click on "Unknown".