PipeChat Digest #4142 - Sunday, December 7, 2003
 
Re: Can you identify this piece ?
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
RE: Faure
  by "Lefevre Vincent" <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be>
Re: Can you identify this piece ?
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Can you identify this piece ?
  by "Mark Gustus" <MGustus@msn.com>
Re: Sweelinck, Froberger, and Scheidt (X-Posted)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Website Update
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
to clarify (x-posted)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: to clarify (x-posted)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Can you identify this piece ? From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:38:04 -0000   Hello everyone.   Many thanks to all for the responses and opinions - but no positive ID = yet.   A few come-backs en bloc --   >That music sounds very like some recordings I had on 78 in the late 1930s recorded by Sandy MacPherson on the BBC Theatre organ. One disk had March of the Bowman (from "Robin Hood") and Highland Vision - very similar music played by a great player   I don't think Sandy Mac could have played this - much less written it - in = a month of Sundays - much too difficult. I have the Robin Hood Suite which includes March of the Bowmen It's not this - the march is more in the = Eric Coates mould and much more conventional - a rattling good piece though = (from Boosey archives if you're interested).   >Bill once told me that he played the "Robin Hood" march, and once actually played the wrong march at a wedding, but with the same title, as written for the TV series. (The poor girl fairly tripped down the aisle apparently!)   I remember him doing this at a concert - he explained that he retained a visual image of the music in his memory and literaly read from this as he played. He had just played from the wrong page !   >This work was written by Clifford Curzon; more normally known as a virtuoso pianist who specialised in Mozart.   No - it was Frederic - I've just looked at my copy. The copyright date of the Robin Hood Suite is 1937 - but, though the film (Adventures of) is = 1938, there seems to be no connection.   >The organ sounds like a quasi classical organ with mixtures. Bruce did you say you recorded this, but don't remember what it was. Could this be a Chuckerbutty improvisation? How long ago do you think it was since it was recorded. Do you remember the instrument used? Is the tape reel to reel or cassette.   Go to the top of the class !! It was the BBC Broadcasting House Compton a much extended and borrowed organ shoe-horned into a tiny space. 'Quasi-classical' is a very fair description. From a c1993 broadcast very badly recorded on tape cassette. The post-programme announcement detailed the pieces played (Narcissus (on the Tuba !!), To a Wild Rose, and others = of that ilk, but there was no mention of the 'Unknown' piece which is in a totally different league. Doesn't sound like Chuckerbutty to me, mind you, = I only know his Paean which is nothing special.   >Bruce, have you solved this puzzle yet?   No - not yet.   Since many have placed this piece in the theatre rather then the classical organ world (to my surprise) I will try an enquiry on the Second Touch = list. Failing which I will try to contact Bill Davies who was the organist - though I know he has been retired and out of the public eye for some = years.   Best wishes.   Bruce Miles.   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html    
(back) Subject: RE: Faure From: "Lefevre Vincent" <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:19:37 +0100   You could try this website: http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/faure.html   This is one of the Google list about G. Faure   =20   Vincent Lef=E8vre   Founder and honorary secretary of the ass. =93Organs in flandern=94   =20   _____ =20   Van: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] Namens Gfc234@aol.com Verzonden: vrijdag 5 december 2003 21:46 Aan: pipechat@pipechat.org Onderwerp: Faure   =20   Does anyone know any interesting biographical facts about Gabriel Faure? Any comments on the Requiem would be appreciated.   Thanks,=20   Gfc   =20   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com <http://gfc234@aol.com/>=20      
(back) Subject: Re: Can you identify this piece ? From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:30:26 +0800   NO it is not the March of the Bowman nor do I think it anything else from the Robin Hood Suite. The similarity and the way the organ was used brought some of that suite to my mind. I am searching for the 78 which may still be here with a lot of other 78s. Some of these are Spike Jones. Now I would have liked to hear him play the organ!!! Bob Elms.   ---- Original Message ---- From: cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Can you identify this piece ? Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:49:48 -0800 (PST)   >Hello, > >I've just had a thought about what Bob Elms said about >"The march of the bowman" from Robin Hood. > >Could this indeed be the piece? Or is it something >else from the score? > >This work was written by Clifford Curzon; more >normally known as a virtuoso pianist who specialised >in Mozart. > >Curzon studied in London, AND Berlin.....the hint of >Reger and the hint of Karg Elert in the clip supplied >by Bruce Miles, perhaps explained by this German >connection. > >The period is about right.....Curzon died in 1982, and >was therefore very active around 1940. > >Could we be getting close, I wonder? > >Interestingly, my guess at Maclean is not too far >removed from Curzon. > >Elementary my dear Watson! > >Now, I'll just pop on the deerstalker, the cape, pick >up my pipe and magnifiying glass......let's see if we >can solve this!! > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell UK > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >http://companion.yahoo.com/ >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Can you identify this piece ? From: "Mark Gustus" <MGustus@msn.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:25:52 -0600   Robert Elmore, perhaps?  
(back) Subject: Re: Sweelinck, Froberger, and Scheidt (X-Posted) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:30:21 -0800   The problem is, you have to have the "chops" of St. Cecelia herself to PLAY a great deal of that stuff ... because the only way the emotional "affekt" comes across is if it sounds absolutely EFFORTLESS and limpidly RELAXED. And, oh yeah, you gotta play it fast enough so the listener can recognize the cantus firmus in long notes (grin).   And listen to the SUBTLE ways Koopman and Leonhardt make them EXPRESSIVE.   Which of course means your ORGAN has to be able to do that ... which means you have to have low pressures, tracker action, slider chests, and that treasured open-toed warm and full Dutch voicing.   If you want to hear a Flentrop organ REALLY come alive, play this music on it.   Cheers,   Bud   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Hello, > > Well, I am a bit ignorant of Scheidt, but I gather he > was one of the important three......Scheidt, Schutz > and Scheidemann. > > Froberger was an absolute virtuoso at the keyboard, > and wrote in the most idiomatic style. To organists, > he was one of the very first composers to really > convey emotion in music, and his Elevation Toccatas > are remarkable. One in particular, uses the "Voce > Umana" undulating rank, which shimmers away in a > series of very unexpected harmonic twists and complex > suspensions.....it is marvellous, ethereal music. > > Sweelinck was terribly important, for he was one of > the first contrapuntal composers. He also used > chromaticism, as in the Chromatic Fantasy, which is a > fugal work based on a chromatic theme. His use of > variation technique, as in "Meine junges leben", "Est > ce mars" and "Unter der linden grune" derive from the > techniques of English virginalists such as John Bull; > many of whom had fled to Holland to escape the > reformation and persecution as catholics. > > Sweelinck's choral repertoire is worth exploring also. > > So if you are going to talk about Sweelinck, make sure > you mention the English composers who inspired him, > but whatever you do, avoid placing the name Bull next > to the name Scheidt!! > > I would highly recommend the recordings of Sweelinck > done by Ton Koopman.....a master of old Dutch music. > Other possibilities include recordings done by Gustav > Leonhardt. > > I wish you well in your quest. I think you will find > lots and lots of suitable material on the web, but be > warned, it is a big subject. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > > --- Devon3000@aol.com wrote: > >>Hello List members, >> >>I've been asked to do a program relating to >>composers at the time of >>Rembrandt (after Christmas, of course). It doesn't >>have to be music from this period >>only. Any suggestions as to the greatest hits of >>the above composers? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Website Update From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:42:10 +0000   Hello everyone, Many things have happened in my "organ world" in the last few months. We completed the pipe organ addition at our church, and I began attending Concordia University in Seward, Nebraska. I've got some of my new organ-related items of interest on my new website: http://www.cune.org/paul.soulek/index.html   Let me know if you have any questions or comments.   Thanks! Paul    
(back) Subject: to clarify (x-posted) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:21:53 -0800   I got out of hospital this afternoon; I'd been there since 8 a.m. on Wednesday ... combination of flu, congestive heart failure, and hypo-thyroidism, which last Kaiser had never managed to diagnose. THAT accounts for the weight gain and exhaustion. I kept saying "I don't eat that much (some of those recipes, "fry up a mess of bacon" was a joke).   Scarlett called me a liar to my face about that ... said I was "an indulgent glutton"; the Senior Warden also said I missed services because I was drunk, when in point of fact I was exhausted because of the hypo-thyroidism; in reality I MAY have a glass of wine on the following Feast Days:   Dec. 8 - Our Blessed Lady's Immaculate Conception Dec. 25 - Our Blessed Lord's Nativity Jan 6 - Our Blessed Lord's Epiphany Feb. 2 - Our Blessed Lady's Purification Mar. 25 - Our Blessed Lady's Annunciation Easter Day Ascension Day Pentecost Trinity Corpus Christi Aug. 15th - Our Blessed Lady's Assumption Sept. 14 - Roodemass Sept. 29 - Michaelmass Nov. 1 - All Saints' Day   Which is pretty much the old Benedictine rota for putting away the booze (grin), except they might have had it on all Sundays out of Advent and = Lent.   Burgie is still in hospital, in very serious condition ... he has gone into kidney failure, and they are giving him blood transfusions. I was upset because I could SEE UCSD Medical Center from my window at Mercy Hospital (they're only blocks apart), but I couldn't have GONE to him even if we'd been in the SAME hospital, because we were both in isolation. They're taking this influenza epidemic VERY seriously ... gloves, gowns, masks ... just like in the early days of AIDS.   I burst into tears when I stopped to reverence the beautiful carved image of Our Lord above the entrance to Mercy as I was leaving today ... I've probably carried the Blessed Sacrament to the dying a hundred times under those clear, compassionate eyes. It's still very very hard for me to go inside Mercy, twenty years later.       Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: to clarify (x-posted) From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:28:39 -0500   I am sure that everyone who reads this list, (and the "other") will = support me in expressing my thoughts in wishing bud a speedy recovery from his ailments.   We missed you last night on IRC Bud, but we were not aware that you were = in hospital. I only can give one piece of advice, - remember that hospitals are for sick people, and places to stay away from!   Bud, keep well, - all our thoughts are with you, enjoy your glass of wine!   Bob Conway   At 08:21 PM 12/6/03, Bud wrote: >I got out of hospital this afternoon; I'd been there since 8 a.m. on >Wednesday ... combination of flu, congestive heart failure, and >hypo-thyroidism, which last Kaiser had never managed to diagnose. THAT >accounts for the weight gain and exhaustion. I kept saying "I don't eat >that much (some of those recipes, "fry up a mess of bacon" was a joke). > >Scarlett called me a liar to my face about that ... said I was "an >indulgent glutton"; the Senior Warden also said I missed services because =   >I was drunk, when in point of fact I was exhausted because of the >hypo-thyroidism; in reality I MAY have a glass of wine on the following >Feast Days: > >Dec. 8 - Our Blessed Lady's Immaculate Conception >Dec. 25 - Our Blessed Lord's Nativity >Jan 6 - Our Blessed Lord's Epiphany >Feb. 2 - Our Blessed Lady's Purification >Mar. 25 - Our Blessed Lady's Annunciation >Easter Day >Ascension Day >Pentecost >Trinity >Corpus Christi >Aug. 15th - Our Blessed Lady's Assumption >Sept. 14 - Roodemass >Sept. 29 - Michaelmass >Nov. 1 - All Saints' Day > >Which is pretty much the old Benedictine rota for putting away the booze >(grin), except they might have had it on all Sundays out of Advent and = Lent. > >Burgie is still in hospital, in very serious condition ... he has gone >into kidney failure, and they are giving him blood transfusions. I was >upset because I could SEE UCSD Medical Center from my window at Mercy >Hospital (they're only blocks apart), but I couldn't have GONE to him = even >if we'd been in the SAME hospital, because we were both in isolation. >They're taking this influenza epidemic VERY seriously ... gloves, gowns, >masks ... just like in the early days of AIDS. > >I burst into tears when I stopped to reverence the beautiful carved image =   >of Our Lord above the entrance to Mercy as I was leaving today ... I've >probably carried the Blessed Sacrament to the dying a hundred times under =   >those clear, compassionate eyes. It's still very very hard for me to go >inside Mercy, twenty years later. > > > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >