PipeChat Digest #4149 - Thursday, December 11, 2003
 
Re: Service-playing course (?)
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Question about Mark Lively
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: Consoles:  English or Terrace?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Consoles:  English or Terrace?
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Faure piece
  by "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu>
Re: Faure piece
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: John Scott is appointed Gerre Hancock's successor
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Question about Mark Lively
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
The next chapter of Organ History in America
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Service-playing course (?) From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:39:55 -0800 (PST)   Most of my organ teachers, both in college and out, were church musicians = and I was taught service playing from the time I began organ lessons. = Unfortunately, my piano teacher, from age 4 to 12, would not allow me to = play hymns or improvise (which I did in secret, anyway). Many = Universities now that still have organ students are teaching them = contemporary organ repertoire and preparing them to be recital organists = instead of church musicians. Lee   "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:A debate is ongoing in = tabletalk.salon.com (for anyone interested, specifically in the "White = House" division and the long thread "W's Theocracy") over the case of a = young Assemblyman of God (or whatever they call their members aside from = "holy rollers") who has been awarded a scholarship for graduate study by = the State of Washington. When he tried to use it at Northwest College to = prepare for the ministry, the state took it away from him, claiming that = it constituted a subsidy of organized religion that the state constitution = prohibited. So the smart little cookie decided to go to Harvard Law School = instead, probably saying to himself "then I'll show them!..." Next stop, I = suppose, will be Ashcroft's desk. I supposed that a devout fundie is = liable to be more threatening to freethinkers as a lawyer than if they'd = just let him become a clergyman.   Nevertheless, the atheists in this discussion, of course, approve and = applaud. I'm not fond of his tradition myself, but am taking the position = that no clear and equitable line can be drawn for such a purpose between = acceptable and unacceptable courses of study. It would be relatively easy = to say "you can't use this scholarship to go to seminary," but this would = discriminate against denominations whose seminaries tend to be separate = institutions. And anyway, Northwest College itself is not a seminary.   At one point someone said that she doesn't want her tax dollars going to = train ministers either ordained or unordained. I pointed out that this = distinction would prohibit devout Christians from being supported in = studying to prepare for *any* occupation at all, because we can see any = vocation as a ministry. I asked if study at a secretarial school would = become out of bounds to any candidate just because she had announced that = she was dreaming of becoming a *church* secretary. People laughed and said = of course not.   As you here can well guess, but probably unforeseen by my opponents, I had = deliberately introduced this "absurd" example prior to bringing up our own = ambiguous status and wondering how our aspiring successors whould fare = under this strange law. I explained that almost every organ student wishes = and expects to play in church. Furthermore, in theory-- or in our dreams-- = we can make important decisions on the job that require theological and = specialized liturgical knowledge, and we are definitely into "religious = indoctrination". On the other hand, in practice we often have no more = dignity or scope for initiative in the organization than a secretary. We = just push organ keys instead of typewriter keys. So is our preparation = acceptable like secretarial school, or unacceptable like seminary?   The response to this was that if someone wants to study ORGAN, fine, study = ORGAN and be our guest, but just don't expect to be subsidized for = studying "how to be an organist in a [insert religion here] church." = Can'tcha tell the difference? I replied with a sigh that I'd probably lose = the scholarship because I had taken a two-term class called "Service = playing"-- which for all I can remember might have been *required* of = organ majors at Lawrence, an officially (however nominally) Methodist = university, even though it was actually taught by a Roman Catholic. Beats = me how a legal eagle can distinguish this from studying homiletics at an = officially (and probably enthusiastically) Assembly of God university. = Before rolling themselves up into a ball, the atheists advised that one = would probably need to seek alternate funding for that single course.   I might not be quite done with them yet, however, depending on the results = of a little survey I'd like to conduct here. If you studied organ in a = public college or university, did you specifically learn service playing = there? If so, how? Was it in the course of private lessons, or in a = specific course? If an organ major at a public colleges studies service = playing, then their waters would be further muddied, wouldn't they? It = wouldn't be a very comfortable position to expect a state scholarship = committee categorically to refuse a student certain courses taught in the = state's own institutions.   How we learn to play services should be an interesting, and probably oft = amusing, matter to talk about anyway.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: Question about Mark Lively From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:22:56 -0500   Hello Chatters,   Today I met a charming little tracker which I understand was built or constructed in the 1980s using older existing pipe work. It bears a nameplate of M. W. Lively, Cincinnati. Does anyone know if this builder = and Mark Lively of Lively-Fulcher would be one and the same?   Thanks,   Emily A.      
(back) Subject: Re: Consoles: English or Terrace? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:39:36 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Consoles: English or Terrace?     > Amazingly, the comments below come from the man who had promised to = bring > three Beagles, trained in the art of Bel Canto to an extent even greater > than that which comes naturally to them, to the OHS Convention last summer, > where they were to thrill us all with their rendition of the Mendelssohn > "Lift Thine Eyes."   I would have thought the beagles would be more inclined to sing, "Lift = Thine Leg" <g>   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Consoles: English or Terrace? From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:48:23 -0500   and they would have to be accompnied by a baldschwine Schpinnette or is = that Schnippette?   Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute)(4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/98 Ruffati/Wicks/Rodgers) CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/Dairyland-ATOS/AGO ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Consoles: English or Terrace?     > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Consoles: English or Terrace? > > > > Amazingly, the comments below come from the man who had promised to bring > > three Beagles, trained in the art of Bel Canto to an extent even = greater > > than that which comes naturally to them, to the OHS Convention last > summer, > > where they were to thrill us all with their rendition of the = Mendelssohn > > "Lift Thine Eyes." > > I would have thought the beagles would be more inclined to sing, "Lift Thine > Leg" <g> > > John Speller > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Faure piece From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:12:12 -0500   Hello Pipechat buddies!   I need a copy of Missa Basse by Faure, scored for treble voices, soprano solo, and organ ASAP. I've looked for it online and cannot find it at the places I generally buy music. Does anyone know where I can get a copy?   Thanks bunches! Shelley -- 2 more days of finals and the semester is over!  
(back) Subject: Re: Faure piece From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:30:02 -0500   Shelley,   It's your French that has done you in!! Do a google search under Messe = Basse Faure, and you will find lots of references. The score I own is Novello, edited by Desmond Ratcliffe, and the publication number is 03 0136 01 It = was published in 1977, so I hope it is still around. It is a wonderful piece, that I first heard on a lovely Continental-sounding recording (LP) by Le Maitrise de Notre Dame. We're busy transferring old LPs to CD these days, but have not come to that recording yet.   Good luck,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: Faure piece     > Hello Pipechat buddies! > > I need a copy of Missa Basse by Faure, scored for treble voices, soprano > solo, and organ ASAP. I've looked for it online and cannot find it at > the places I generally buy music. Does anyone know where I can get a > copy? > > Thanks bunches! > Shelley -- 2 more days of finals and the semester is over!      
(back) Subject: Re: John Scott is appointed Gerre Hancock's successor From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:59:31 EST   Sounds like a good ole boy s club to this Lutheran though.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Question about Mark Lively From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:00:37 EST   hi Emily,   it is the same person as he resided in Cinti for many a year dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:16:41 EST   In light of the appointment of John Scott to St. Thomas Fifth Avenue following Gerre's retirement, does anyone know who the three American = finalists were?   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: The next chapter of Organ History in America From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:46:45 EST   In response to the comments about the "good ol' boys" club- I understand exactly where you coming from, and you may be exactly right. =   But to be Devil's Advocate (not at all suggesting that Mr. Scott is the = Devil), the appointment of Mr. Scott, in the long run, is no different than = European organists coming to America in the early part of the 20th century. Yes, = it does take the job from an American, but also it also plants the seeds of a = new school, and a new musical/cultural tradition, which America, and its = organists, have thrived on since day one. Just imagine the influence that his work = will have on the next 200 years of organists of America. New lineages, = concepts, and schools of thought are being infused. Growth of knowledge will be the =   ultimate result. Just a positve spin- Greg           Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com