PipeChat Digest #4150 - Thursday, December 11, 2003
 
Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: John Scott is appointed Gerre Hancock's successor
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com>
Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by "tom carter" <tcarter215@yahoo.com>
Re: St. Thomas/John Scott
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
John Scott, etc.
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Princess pedals
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
the succession at St. Thomas
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: John Scott, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com>
Re: Princess pedals
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
St. Thomas NYC: the "other three"
  by "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: St. Thomas NYC: the "other three"
  by "Robert Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:46:39 EST   In a message dated 12/11/2003 2:17:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, ScottFop@aol.com writes: light of the appointment of John Scott to St. Thomas Fifth Avenue = following Gerre's retirement, does anyone know who the three American finalists = were? Was it a retirement? And was there truly a list.......   dale trying to unpositve a spin from Gregory whilst i remain in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:12:05 -0600   Good question. Being that this man held THE position in the Anglican = Church for 13 years, and considering his early background I doubt there = is an American organist who would have been seriously considered for the = St. Thomas post....do you?   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)     In a message dated 12/11/2003 2:17:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, = ScottFop@aol.com writes: light of the appointment of John Scott to St. Thomas Fifth Avenue = following Gerre's retirement, does anyone know who the three American = finalists were? Was it a retirement? And was there truly a list.......   dale trying to unpositve a spin from Gregory whilst i remain in = Florida     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.550 / Virus Database: 342 - Release Date: 12/9/2003  
(back) Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:20:11 -0500   Someone gave us a URL for the Rector's letter on the subject. There was = indeed a process and a long list. Ultimately, there were four finalists, = of which John was one.   Yes, Gerre has announced his retirement from St. Thomas', although, like = the Energizer Bunny, he ain't stoppin'.   Malcolm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)     In a message dated 12/11/2003 2:17:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, = ScottFop@aol.com writes: light of the appointment of John Scott to St. Thomas Fifth Avenue = following Gerre's retirement, does anyone know who the three American = finalists were? Was it a retirement? And was there truly a list.......   dale trying to unpositve a spin from Gregory whilst i remain in Florida  
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott is appointed Gerre Hancock's successor From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:23:42 -0500   Anyone out there have any inside scoop on who the other three "American finalists" were for the St. Thomas position?   IMHO, if John Scott was a potential candidate, then this was a no-brainer for Andrew Mead, good ole boys or not...   FWIW...   Mark L. Hopper Associate Minister of Music and Organist The First Baptist Church 205 West Winder Street PO Box 75 Henderson, NC 27536 (O) 252-438-3172 (H) 252-492-6774 (F) 252-438-3710 markhopper@ncol.net    
(back) Subject: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: "tom carter" <tcarter215@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:37:12 -0800 (PST)       Hi all   In my quest for a practice instrument, I'd almost unwittingly purchased a = 'toaster' with a "princess" pedalbord rather than AGO standard. Does = anyone out there have experience doing a significant amount of practice on = the smaller pedalboard or can anyone tell me if my work on such would = transfer easily to a standard-sized one? I'm preparing for the CAGO exam = in June, and would hate to waste too much priceless practice time.     Thanks,   Tom         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Thomas/John Scott From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:46:39 -0500   > Just imagine the influence that his work will > have on the next 200 years of organists of America. New lineages, = concepts, > and schools of thought are being infused. Growth of knowledge will be = the > ultimate result.   What's new about the English cathedral tradition? And why would Scott want = to slide off what is arguably the most prestigious organ bench in the UK? Of course, maybe he = didn't WANT to........?   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh        
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:05:28 -0500   What, pray, is a "Princess Pedalboard?"   It could be useful were you to tell how many keys it has. Perhaps = everyone in the world knows except me. Someone once left me a Hammond on = my doorstep, thinking it was an act of kindness! It has a 24 note = keyboard, and it drove me totally mad. Everything is in the wrong place, = and the keys are a bit narrower than on a normal Pedalboard. I suspect = others would have an easier time than I. It's on its way to a new home, = shortly.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tom carter=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Practicing on princess pedalboard     Hi all   In my quest for a practice instrument, I'd almost unwittingly = purchased a 'toaster' with a "princess" pedalbord rather than AGO = standard. Does anyone out there have experience doing a significant = amount of practice on the smaller pedalboard or can anyone tell me if my = work on such would transfer easily to a standard-sized one? I'm = preparing for the CAGO exam in June, and would hate to waste too much = priceless practice time.       Thanks,   Tom    
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:33:28 -0600   Hello, PipeChatters: You asked: > What, pray, is a "Princess Pedalboard?" This is a 32-note pedalboard built by the Allen Organ Company and was part of many of their compact consoles from about 1975-ish until more recent times. The pedalboard is more narrow than even the compact pedalboards by Klann and Organ Supply. The sticks are shorter (front to back) and the black sharps are only about 5 inches long. The good news is that the middle E is in the proper location with respect to the bottom manual keyboard, ...and I think the height is also correct. Not sure on the latter. If you already know how to play a full-sized AGO-style pedalboard, you will naturally reach your feet too far out for the extreme ends of the note range. I assume you already know the AGO-style pedalboard, for you are practicing for a certification. Adaptation is totally in your mind. You have a lot of company, for most of us who play the AGO-style pedalboards do not "like" the way the princess-style pedalboards scrunch our legs and feet. In my opinion, this was a reasonable attempt by Allen to break into some of the home organ market, and, to some degree, it was successful with all except traditional organists with previous experience. Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:35:35 -0500   To Tom and Malcolm, As opposed to the Hammond pedalboard, after progressing to a 32 = pedal board, I had no problem familiarizing myself with a bit of = prepublic playing on a standard AGO board I guess from my minds eye, = there was just a 1/8" to 1/4" bit of difference in distance. I really = don't know what the actual difference in dimensions is but 32 pedals = beats the standard Hammond model. Although reading from a historical = standpoint, I was surprised to find not only 24/25 pedal boards but also = 12 and 13 pedal boards in old pipe organs. I believe that was in Old = Italian organs. Many had only stubs like the 50"s spinets too except = completely out of wood.=20 Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Malcolm Wechsler=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard     What, pray, is a "Princess Pedalboard?"   It could be useful were you to tell how many keys it has. Perhaps = everyone in the world knows except me. Someone once left me a Hammond on = my doorstep, thinking it was an act of kindness! It has a 24 note = keyboard, and it drove me totally mad. Everything is in the wrong place, = and the keys are a bit narrower than on a normal Pedalboard. I suspect = others would have an easier time than I. It's on its way to a new home, = shortly.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tom carter=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Practicing on princess pedalboard     Hi all   In my quest for a practice instrument, I'd almost unwittingly = purchased a 'toaster' with a "princess" pedalbord rather than AGO = standard. Does anyone out there have experience doing a significant = amount of practice on the smaller pedalboard or can anyone tell me if my = work on such would transfer easily to a standard-sized one? I'm = preparing for the CAGO exam in June, and would hate to waste too much = priceless practice time.       Thanks,   Tom    
(back) Subject: John Scott, etc. From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:46:12 -0600 (CST)   I do think it is significant that St. Thomas and Washington Cathedral have hired folks from England. It would be interesting to know their reasons...we might have something to learn.    
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:00:01 -0800   My second Allen was a 32-note "princess" pedal-board; my FIRST Allen was a flat 25-note pedal-board (!) ... anybody remember when they still made THOSE??!!   Depends on what you're playing for the CAGO ... about the only thing that bothered me about the "princess" pedals was that you couldn't do toe-to-toe substitutions on sharps, 'cause they were too short.   Cheers,   Bud   tom carter wrote: > Hi all > > In my quest for a practice instrument, I'd almost unwittingly purchased > a 'toaster' with a "princess" pedalbord rather than AGO standard. Does > anyone out there have experience doing a significant amount of practice > on the smaller pedalboard or can anyone tell me if my work on such would =   > transfer easily to a standard-sized one? I'm preparing for the CAGO > exam in June, and would hate to waste too much priceless practice time. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > = <http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D21260/*http://photos.yah= oo.com> >      
(back) Subject: Princess pedals From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:06:17 -0800   There was also a legend that Allen developed the princess pedals so that a T-12-B or a TC-1 console would fit into the five-foot-square "pits" that countless churches had constructed for their Hammond B-3s and C-3s.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: RE: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:00:15 -0500   > Was it a retirement? And was there truly a list.......   Although Saint Thomas Church is an ever-fascinating rumor mill and = things don't always have to be as they seem, I see no reason whatsoever = to doubt that it is a retirement. Dr. Hancock is in his late 60s. Yes, = he keeps bouncing along with a smile, but anyone can see that his health = is not all it was five years ago. He has had open heart surgery at = least once. He now looks 55 rather than 40. It does really appear = that Fr. Mead loves and admires him, doesn't want him to see him leave, = and reminds him that he is not as old as Dr. Noble was when he retired.    
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:04:25 -0500   > we might have something to learn.   I'd suggest that we need to learn (or re-learn) that boy choristers turn = into brilliant organists and choirmasters with considerable regularity.   There aren't many choristers left in the U.S. And there aren't many = upcoming organists, either. This is not a coincidence.    
(back) Subject: the succession at St. Thomas From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:29:10 -0800   I remember when Gerre went to England and apprenticed himself to David Willcocks ... Gerre was already an established musician at the time ... he was Organist/Choirmaster at Christ Church (now Cathedral) in Cincinnati; but he KNEW that if he wanted to pursue working in the boychoir tradition, he HAD to go to England in order to do it.   And that's the crux of the problem ... in England, as Paul pointed out, cathedral and collegiate organists are OFTEN "old boys" who have come up through the ranks of the choir ... they know the buildings, the organs, and the repertoire intimately.   We have no such feeder system in this country. Off the top of my head, these are the cathedrals and churches who have boys and men as the principal choir, singing every Sunday:   Transfiguration NYC (Little Church Around the Corner) St. Thomas NYC All Saints' Ashmont Station Boston Trinity Church Southport CT Washington Cathedral Washington DC Grace Church Savannah GA St. Luke's Church Evanston IL (?) Christ Church Cathedral, Indianapolis IN Grace Cathedral San Francisco CA   I'm sure there are a few more, but not many.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:01:52 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Paul Emmons makes the most valid point of all about the cathedral tradition, and the way in which it breeds a new generation of up-coming talent. Many in the UK regard the tradition as an anachronism, and many would seek to dismantle it. Nevertheless, it continues to survive.   Oddly enough, I have never met John Scott, but I have met everyone who knows him! They speak very highly of him, both as a musician and as a person, so in that respect, it is a good appointment.   I reserve just a hint of sadness though, because we are obviously losing a very fine organist & choirmaster to America. I also think it is a little bit sad that an American replacement could not have been appointed. The name of Gerre Hancock is so widely respected right across the globe, and it was always good to see that level of excellence to rival our own.   I think the term "old boy betwork" is actually quite valid, for like organ builders, they tend to be trained by and work in a very small world. The "apprenticeship" is a long one....a whole lifetime in fact.   I must confess to being aghast at the paucity of traditional choirs in the USA....I had no idea that they were so rare. On the other hand, there are some excellent musical set-ups which demonstrate an alternative way; which has to be a good thing.   Above all, I admire the fact that no-one on "pipechat" has taken the "outraged" and narrow-minded nationalistic view. That speaks volumes for the mutual respect we share across the pond.   Once John Scott has settled in and got into his stride, I think you will like what he does.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > > I'd suggest that we need to learn (or re-learn) that > boy choristers turn into brilliant organists and > choirmasters with considerable regularity. > > There aren't many choristers left in the U.S. And > there aren't many upcoming organists, either. This > is not a coincidence.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: John Scott, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:52:19 -0500   On 12/11/03 2:01 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Many in the UK regard the tradition as an anachronism, and many would = seek to > dismantle it.   With what rationale, for Pete's sake!?? Surely that tradition is the high envy of every national school of church music EXCEPT its descendants in = the U.S., Canada, and such places as Australia, New Zealand, and perhaps South Africa?   You're right about "alternatives," of course. With the few exceptions mentioned by Bud, we have a (mostly non-Anglican) tradition of SATB adult choirs, of which the UK may not have an equivalent, except, I suppose, = among the nonconformists. Even that alternative is not universally STRONG here, but it does exist, and there are some astonishing examples, in collegiate and parish settings. Lutheran colleges, especially, have a very rich a cappella tradition that is possibly unique.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:13:59 -0800 (PST)   The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City used to have a choir school, right?   What was the cause of its demise?   A sincere, inquiring mind would like to know...   Season's greetings and best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher fellow Anglican-Music list member...   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:22:40 -0800 (PST)     --- "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:13:59 -0800 (PST) > From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" > <littlebayus@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York > City > used to have a choir school, right? > > What was the cause of its demise? > > A sincere, inquiring mind would like to know... > > Season's greetings and best wishes to all... >     I'm sorry, I was not careful, and signed the above posting as a member of Anglican-Music...   But then this topic is an anglican-music related topic, correct?   In addition to belonging to Anglican-Music, I also am a fellow pipechat list member...     So I will sign this revised posting as it orignally should have been:     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member...   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:12:26 -0500   OK..... I'll go out on a limb. How does the appointment of John Scott to St. Thomas NYC evoke claims of "Boy's Club."   Does anyone know who the other choices were? There must have been many.   St. Thomas Church has a glorious tradition to uphold and apparently they desire to do so, and in a "pure" way.   Are people upset because they didn't hire a Lutheran or Presbyterian trained person?   Someone who is complaining, please explain! THanks. Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow...   Bruce and the Baskerbeagles http://baskerbeagles.com a great way to shop http://www.smartmall.biz?717886 HELP FEED ANIMALS FOR FREE http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and = http://pets.care2.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Princess pedals From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:21:32 EST   In a message dated 12/11/2003 1:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@cox.net writes: TC-1 console would fit into the five-foot-square "pits" that countless churches had constructed for their Hammond B-3s and C-3s. no legend here----just like Baldwin built a spinet and 25 pedal organs in their now defunct past.....move out those Hammonds   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: St. Thomas NYC: the "other three" From: "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:29:42 -0500   If I had made a confidential application to St. Thomas, NYC, had been = one of the "other three" finalists, and had been passed over for the position, = I would be hurt and horrified to have my name as one of the "losers" made public in any way. I think that information might best remain = confidential and not announced or shared, even by anyone who does happen to know it.   In the late 1980's I was on the committee to recommend a new pastor = for our church, but to this day I have never told even my WIFE what other candidates we interviewed, etc.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:33:31 -0500   On 12/11/03 3:12 PM, "hydrant@baskerbeagles.com" = <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> wrote:   > Are people upset because they didn't hire a Lutheran or Presbyterian = trained > person?   Oh, surely not, Bruce. We Lutherans know even less of the English cathedral tradition than we do about Pentecostal megachurches in Dallas. = If that's possible.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:36:39 -0500   I will simply ask the rhetorical question...   Will St.Paul's London hire an American?   Neil Brown  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:38:36 EST   In a message dated 12/11/2003 3:37:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: Will St.Paul's London hire an American? i am guessing --NO   dale    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:45:50 -0500   All this speculating and what-iffing is becoming exceedingly tiresome and = perhaps it can be let go.   I fail to see what the nationality of an individual has to do with his or = her suitability for a particular job. I would think it would be the = church's or other employer's prerogative to hire the individual it/they = thought best for the job.   Nuff said.  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Thomas NYC: the "other three" From: "Robert Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:51:02 -0500   Karl 'et al',   And that's how the matter should be left, - a new man has been appointed, give him a chance to get going!   What has gone before is all "water under the bridge" now.   Bob Conway   At 03:29 PM 12/11/2003, Karl Moyer wrote: > If I had made a confidential application to St. Thomas, NYC, had been = one >of the "other three" finalists, and had been passed over for the = position, I >would be hurt and horrified to have my name as one of the "losers" made >public in any way. I think that information might best remain = confidential >and not announced or shared, even by anyone who does happen to know it. > > In the late 1980's I was on the committee to recommend a new pastor = for >our church, but to this day I have never told even my WIFE what other >candidates we interviewed, etc. > >      
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:51:03 -0500   > The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City used to have a choir school, right? =20   > What was the cause of its demise?   As far as I know, it was a combination of bloat and a, er, highly = creative dean named James Morton (whom I don't *entirely* dislike, BTW, = but where he and Alec Wyton clashed I'd have to side with the latter).   Near the end of Wyton's tenure, it became a day school. I asked him = about this around 1969, and of course he was cheerful and upbeat, saying = that boarding them was unnecessary and this was a load off everyone's = backs. His exact words were "Let them go home to wet their beds." But I can't quite believe that = this was his real opinion.   Then the school grew and grew, accepted girls, and gradually turned into = just another private school for local families who cared. Wyton had = left, I daresay in frustration. For another thing, the maintenance of = the organ was being shamefully neglected. He observed that problems = that would have cost pocket change to repair if nipped in the bud will = now cost thousands, but that pocket change was not forthcoming. This = bill still hasn't nearly been paid. An alumnus of the choir school, = David Pizarro, was hired as the next choirmaster, and tried valiantly to = keep the traditional program going, but Richard Westenberg and his mixed = choir were better politicians. Since then the trebles from the school = have been coed and are secondary to an adult choir. I nevertheless = heard a concert directed by Paul Halley some 15 years ago in = Philadelphia in which they were absolutely fabulous-- I thought that = they rivaled the choir of St Thomas. But usually they're not ready for = prime time anymore.   As examples of what I was saying earlier, other loyal alums of the = cathedral choir school include James Biggers, who built the choir that = still continues at St. John's, Tampa FL; and Owen Burdick now at Trinity = Church, New York. There is a delightful story that as a young man = Burdick and his girl friend visited the cathedral one day and proceeded = into the choir area. He took the place in the stalls that he had = occupied as a chorister, and from that spot proposed to marry her.