PipeChat Digest #4151 - Thursday, December 11, 2003
 
Re: John Scott, etc.
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: St. Thomas NYC: the "other three"
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Dallas area Pentecostal megachurches
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Situation at Saint John the Dvine
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: John Scott, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: John Scott, etc.
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Demise of Choirs
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Demise of Choirs
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Madeleine
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Madeleine
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Madeleine
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: Madeleine
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: The Moller vs. The Princess
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: John Scott, etc. From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:00:06 -0500   To the list, How about the Church of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. Don't they have a choir school? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: RE: John Scott, etc.     > The Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City used to have a choir school, right?   > What was the cause of its demise?   As far as I know, it was a combination of bloat and a, er, highly creative dean named James Morton (whom I don't *entirely* dislike, BTW, but where = he and Alec Wyton clashed I'd have to side with the latter).   Near the end of Wyton's tenure, it became a day school. I asked him about this around 1969, and of course he was cheerful and upbeat, saying that boarding them was unnecessary and this was a load off everyone's backs. = His exact words were "Let them go home to wet their beds." But I can't quite believe that this was his real opinion.   Then the school grew and grew, accepted girls, and gradually turned into just another private school for local families who cared. Wyton had left, = I daresay in frustration. For another thing, the maintenance of the organ = was being shamefully neglected. He observed that problems that would have = cost pocket change to repair if nipped in the bud will now cost thousands, but that pocket change was not forthcoming. This bill still hasn't nearly = been paid. An alumnus of the choir school, David Pizarro, was hired as the = next choirmaster, and tried valiantly to keep the traditional program going, = but Richard Westenberg and his mixed choir were better politicians. Since = then the trebles from the school have been coed and are secondary to an adult choir. I nevertheless heard a concert directed by Paul Halley some 15 = years ago in Philadelphia in which they were absolutely fabulous-- I thought = that they rivaled the choir of St Thomas. But usually they're not ready for prime time anymore.   As examples of what I was saying earlier, other loyal alums of the = cathedral choir school include James Biggers, who built the choir that still = continues at St. John's, Tampa FL; and Owen Burdick now at Trinity Church, New York. There is a delightful story that as a young man Burdick and his girl = friend visited the cathedral one day and proceeded into the choir area. He took the place in the stalls that he had occupied as a chorister, and from that spot proposed to marry her.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Thomas NYC: the "other three" From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:07:50 -0800 (PST)   I believe Karl is right about the "other three," however they might be = honored to have been in the top three for as many applications as there = were for that position. Lee   Robert Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:Karl 'et al',   And that's how the matter should be left, - a new man has been appointed, give him a chance to get going!   What has gone before is all "water under the bridge" now.   Bob Conway   At 03:29 PM 12/11/2003, Karl Moyer wrote: > If I had made a confidential application to St. Thomas, NYC, had been = one >of the "other three" finalists, and had been passed over for the = position, I >would be hurt and horrified to have my name as one of the "losers" made >public in any way. I think that information might best remain = confidential >and not announced or shared, even by anyone who does happen to know it. > > In the late 1980's I was on the committee to recommend a new pastor for >our church, but to this day I have never told even my WIFE what other >candidates we interviewed, etc. > >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: Dallas area Pentecostal megachurches From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:37:28 -0800 (PST)   I live in the Dallas area and I know very little about the Pentecostal = megachurches here. As a "confirmed" Confirmed Lutheran, I again find = myself in a Southern Baptist Church, however it is very formal and custom = made for my aged abilities. As Alan once put it, the Baptist need = Lutheran missionaries. At the last SBC I was instrumental in starting the = ceremony of the Advent wreath. Any suggestions for a "project" at this = church? I consider St. Luke's Lutheran in NYC my "home away from home" = church. Lee   Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   Oh, surely not, Bruce. We Lutherans know even less of the English cathedral tradition than we do about Pentecostal megachurches in Dallas. = If that's possible.   Alan   "     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:43:03 -0500   > How about the Church of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. Don't = they have a choir school?   Yes, coed and day, but it's a wonderful project. If Myron Patterson is = following this list, he can tell us more.    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:59:19 -0500   On 12/11/03 3:36 PM, "Innkawgneeto@cs.com" <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> wrote:   > I will simply ask the rhetorical question... >=20 > Will St.Paul's London hire an American? >=20 To keep it rhetorical: Why would that (being "American") be a consideration? How about a black lesbian? What difference would THAT make= ? Qualifications are qualifications! =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Or no?   Alan (oops! Did I say something wrong?) =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:08:38 -0500   On 12/11/03 3:45 PM, "DudelK@aol.com" <DudelK@aol.com> wrote:   > I would think it would be the church's or other employer's prerogative = to hire > the individual it/they thought best for the job.   Amen, David. That was the point of my last post. I think we are "at = one."   Alan    
(back) Subject: Situation at Saint John the Dvine From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:47:48 -0500   On 12/11/03 3:51 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > An alumnus of the choir school, David Pizarro, was hired as the next > choirmaster, and tried valiantly to keep the traditional program going, b= ut > Richard Westenberg and his mixed choir were better politicians.   Oh, my! I know him (David). Perhaps not a good selection. He's subbed for us a few times. I hope never again. Nice guy, but he just doesn't know how to DO it--even just an ordinary Sunday liturgy. Two hands, no pedal. (I=B9v= e stood at his elbow; maybe THAT was the problem.). (And somewhat of a difficult PERSON [ALWAYS, SOMETHING is wrong], besides, though I'm only peripherally aware of that part of it.)   Alan        
(back) Subject: Re: John Scott, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:05:30 -0500   On 12/11/03 4:00 PM, "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> wrote:   > How about the Church of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. Don't they > have a choir school?   If so, it's pretty recent. I doubt it. It's an RC cathedral. Possibly, though. (There IS a bit of a choral tradition in that town.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: John Scott, etc. From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:19:14 -0500   Alan Freed writes of a choir school in Salt Lake City:   >If so, it's pretty recent. I doubt it. It's an RC cathedral. = Possibly, though. (There IS a bit of a choral tradition in that town.)   Yes, it's less than a decade old. I'm afraid I've never been in the = building, but apparently it is both large and beautiful, and now has a = superb new organ. What it takes is a staunch priest with intelligence = and taste. In this case his name is Mannion. I'm not sure that he's = still there, but his tireless advocacy went far in making all this a = reality. =20   See: http://www.madeleinechoirschool.org/index.html    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:25:41 -0600   Hello, PipeChatters: Neil inquired: > I will simply ask the rhetorical question... > > Will St.Paul's London hire an American? The answer comes from the physics instructor's favorite answer when cornered with a difficult question: "Why, ...it's intuitively obvious, even to the most casual observer." Requires allegience, first of all, to the Queen, doesn't it? Musing along, F. Richard Burt ..  
(back) Subject: Demise of Choirs From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:29:14 -0500   Posters,   My conclusions about the paucity of choirs comes solely from my = observations as a lay person. Nevertheless, I think I do have some valid points. I'll = be lengthy like Malcolm, but not nearly so eloquent. Sorry.   My early music exposure was in the late 60's & early 70's at a "First Baptist Church". This was one of those churches which performed Messiah every year. We had our pet Soprano and Alto soloists, but the Tenor and Bass were hired for the occasion. We had a full time music director who directed every choir. Our choirs went to festivals and received = "superior" ratings. The director's wife was the organist - and she was very accomplished. The [small] pipe organ was padlocked, and only two other people ever touched it.   The director was superb, a bit eccentric, but almost all superb people are = a bit eccentric. Even the little kids' choirs were taught some = musicianship. The little kids - ages 3-5 met on Tuesday afternoons, the next old group = met on Thursday afternoons. The teen, college, and adult choirs had their meeting times. When the kids sang for church, they were well-behaved - = even the little ones. There might have been a couple who waved at parents, but most were still. By 8 - 10 years of age, we were singing parts.   One thing that has little to do with church, but, IMO, has had an impact = on this is that, at that time, most mothers didn't work. A "mother" would = load up her station wagon with kids (before we had to wear seat belts) and haul them to choir. We had a couple choir moms (I can still smell the perfume = of one of them) who made us behave.   We left that church during my teens, and were in smaller churches for a number of years before joining another much much larger FBC. This church was more contemporary, had a 4 manual pipe organ that wasn't locked, a = full time head director, and a full time assoc. music director. We did great things as well. I did notice that the kids were less well behaved now 10 years later. It took 6 moms to get 40 kids onto the risers - and to keep them there. Instead of walking in a single line as we did, they all took = a mad dash for their places.   Now, I've grown up, and I'm part of smaller churches in the small town. Almost all mothers work. There are no full time music directors. The = music director only directs the adult choir. Any other choirs are farmed out to = a well meaning, but ill-trained, volunteer. The little kids perform trite musicals with motions accompanied by a boom box. Their so concerned about getting the motions right, that they don't learn the words.   Since moms work, anything "churchy" must be crammed into the Wednesday evening time. So the adults have their Bible study, the teens have their thing, then the director leads the adult choir. There is no teen choir, because the youth director doesn't want anybody messing with his teens. = The two tired moms try to fit in some practice with their little kids.   Another thing . . . church in general is not a big part of peoples' lives any longer. Show up on Sunday morning to be entertained, maybe the = faithful will come again Sunday evening. Only a few show up on Wednesday evening. Don't even think about trying to have a church function on another day of the week. School activities take precedence - football practice, you name it.   Anyway, I don't know if I made any valid points, but I'd appreciate any feedback.   Keith Zimmerman      
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:36:20 EST   Tom:   In my home I have a Moller pipe organ with an AGO pedalboard and also an Allen organ with a "princess" pedalboard. I can move from one to the other = with no problem. The AGO is preferred but the princess is OK.   Tom    
(back) Subject: Re: Demise of Choirs From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:41:56 -0800 (PST)   Keith, I can relate to everything you say. We could have grown up in the = same church, except the pastor's wife was not the organist and I was = allowed to practice on the old 3 manual Hill Green Lane (which is still = there and well maintained) from the time I could reach the pedals. Where = I am organist now there is not a children's choir program or even a Praise = and Worship group. Most of the Bible study as a teenager was learned in = BTU on Sunday Nights. We had Sword Drills at our church, as well as = contests among the churches in the city. Most of the churches, large and = small, had children's music programs. And I could continue, much less = eloquently than you, but you said it all. Lee   Keith Zimmerman <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> wrote:Posters,   My conclusions about the paucity of choirs comes solely from my = observations as a lay person. Nevertheless, I think I do have some valid points. I'll = be lengthy like Malcolm, but not nearly so eloquent. Sorry.         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:33:05 -0800 (PST)   Gerre told me and Keith about his retirement last June when we visited him = at St. Thomas' and played the Aeolian-Skinner, which was tonally revised = in the late 1960's.There is a 2 manual tracker built by Taylor & Boody in = the rear gallery. I was so ill at that time, but Keith just kept going from church to church = looking at the organs and stained glass windows, and, like the Energizer = Bunny, he wasn't stoppin' either. He was not aware I was ill. Lee   Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: Someone gave us a URL for the Rector's letter on the subject. There was = indeed a process and a long list. Ultimately, there were four finalists, = of which John was one. Yes, Gerre has announced his retirement from St. Thomas', although, like = the Energizer Bunny, he ain't stoppin'. Malcolm   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post) From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:38:27 -0800 (PST)   P.S. The people who did the tonal revisions on the Aeolian Skinner at St. = Thomas were Gil Adams and Tony Bufano. (I am sure most of you already know = this) Lee   Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:Someone gave us a URL for = the Rector's letter on the subject. There was indeed a process and a long = list. Ultimately, there were four finalists, of which John was one. Yes, Gerre has announced his retirement from St. Thomas', although, like = the Energizer Bunny, he ain't stoppin'. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: Keys4bach@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: Re: FINALISTS FOR ST. THOMAS FIFTH AVENUE (x post)     In a message dated 12/11/2003 2:17:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, = ScottFop@aol.com writes: light of the appointment of John Scott to St. Thomas Fifth Avenue = following Gerre's retirement, does anyone know who the three American = finalists were? Was it a retirement? And was there truly a list....... dale trying to unpositve a spin from Gregory whilst i remain in Florida       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing  
(back) Subject: Madeleine From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:41:59 -0600   Yes, they do, and it's about 10 years old, if I recall correctly. Coed and a pretty nice sound.   And yes, the organ and acoustic are VERY nice - I wrote about them this summer.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     On 12/11/03 4:00 PM, "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> wrote:   > How about the Church of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. Don't they > have a choir school?          
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:35:09 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??     > Hello, PipeChatters: > > Neil inquired: > > > I will simply ask the rhetorical question... > > > > Will St.Paul's London hire an American? > > The answer comes from the physics instructor's > favorite answer when cornered with a difficult > question: "Why, ...it's intuitively obvious, > even to the most casual observer." > > Requires allegience, first of all, to the Queen, > doesn't it?   I believe it does not, although being Dean of St. Paul's does. In cases where Americans have been appointed to senior church appointments = requiring allegiance to the Queen in the past (and there have been some, such as Cuthbert Simpson, Dean of Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford forty years ago) it is customary for Parliament to pass an Act dispensing them from the requirement to swear allegiance to the Queen.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Madeleine From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:48:12 -0500   Perhaps someone has posted this, or many of you may know - the Organ is by the Irish builder, Kenneth Jones. I have not heard it. One day, I'll be = out amongst the everlasting hills again.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Madeleine     > Yes, they do, and it's about 10 years old, if I recall correctly. Coed > and a pretty nice sound. > > And yes, the organ and acoustic are VERY nice - I wrote about them this > summer. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > On 12/11/03 4:00 PM, "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> wrote: > > > How about the Church of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. Don't they > > have a choir school? > > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:56:48 -0500   John,   Was not Cuthbert Simpson a Canadian, which would mean he was already in = the Commonwealth, for what that is worth?   There is a terrible story about Simpson being summarily removed from = Christ Church Cathedral after saying some not nice words just before church, into = a microphone recently installed near the altar, and about which he had forgotten.   Possibly he was just swearing allegiance, and was misunderstood.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??     Richard Burt inquires:   > > Requires allegience, first of all, to the Queen, > > doesn't it? > John Speller:   > I believe it does not, although being Dean of St. Paul's does. In cases > where Americans have been appointed to senior church appointments requiring > allegiance to the Queen in the past (and there have been some, such as > Cuthbert Simpson, Dean of Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford forty years = ago) > it is customary for Parliament to pass an Act dispensing them from the > requirement to swear allegiance to the Queen. > > John Speller >      
(back) Subject: Re: Madeleine From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:02:50 -0800 (PST)   -- rumor monger mode: on --   As I've heard the story told even though the nominal name plate of this instrument is that of Kenneth Jones, a significant amount of the voicing was done by Michael Bigelow, the noted tracker builder in American Fork, UT.   -- rumor monger mode: off --   -Billious   --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: > Perhaps someone has posted this, or many of you may know - > the Organ is by > the Irish builder, Kenneth Jones. I have not heard it. One > day, I'll be out > amongst the everlasting hills again. > > Cheers, > > Malcolm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:41 PM > Subject: Madeleine > > > > Yes, they do, and it's about 10 years old, if I recall > correctly. Coed > > and a pretty nice sound. > > > > And yes, the organ and acoustic are VERY nice - I wrote > about them this > > summer. > > > > Glenda Sutton > > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > > On 12/11/03 4:00 PM, "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> > wrote: > > > > > How about the Church of the Madeleine in Salt Lake City. > Don't they > > > have a choir school? > > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: Madeleine From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:17:49 -0500   Dear List,   I believe that is not a rumor, but fact. There was apparently much trouble over great rebuilding or remodelling going on at the Cathedral (Yes, the Madeleine is a Cathedral) that prevented Kenneth Jones from installing the Organ after it was delivered. (That is a nightmare!) When the installation finally became possible, and it was a a fair while, Jones was busy installing the Organ at St. Michael's is Charleston, and was casting about for help amongst the American Organbuilding community. I believe Michael Bigelow did help with the final finishing, and perhaps his people had a = hand in the installation as well. All tonal matters were done under the supervision of Jones, and there is no shame in what happened. I have heard very fine things about the instrument, since its installation. The = "nominal name plate" is on an Organ to the design of Kenneth Jones, and it is not correct to imply otherwise. This topic was exhaustively discussed on PipOrg-L at the time, and the postings should be available on the PipOrg-L Archives.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Madeleine     > -- rumor monger mode: on -- > > As I've heard the story told even though the nominal name plate > of this instrument is that of Kenneth Jones, a significant > amount of the voicing was done by Michael Bigelow, the noted > tracker builder in American Fork, UT. > > -- rumor monger mode: off -- > > -Billious > > --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Perhaps someone has posted this, or many of you may know - > > the Organ is by > > the Irish builder, Kenneth Jones. I have not heard it. One > > day, I'll be out > > amongst the everlasting hills again. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Malcolm      
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:26:20 -0600   Help!!! Is the Queen of England not the head of the Church of England? Have the Brittish moved into separation between Church and State? Just curious. Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:34:41 EST   Dear Malcolm:   A princess pedalboard is a pedalboard that expects you to purchase her a piece of jewelry every time you accidentally guess her weight to be twenty = more pounds than it actually is.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Moller vs. The Princess From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:38:19 EST   Herr Spiggle:   Are you sure that Moller pedalboard conforms to AGO specifications?  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club?? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:38:29 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Good Ole Boy's Club??     > John, > > Was not Cuthbert Simpson a Canadian, which would mean he was already in the > Commonwealth, for what that is worth?   Whether he was originally Canadian or not, I am not sure, but I believe at the time of his appointment he was a U.S. citizen. He had latterly been Dean of the General Theological Seminary in New York.   > There is a terrible story about Simpson being summarily removed from Christ > Church Cathedral after saying some not nice words just before church, = into a > microphone recently installed near the altar, and about which he had > forgotten.   I have not heard this, but I did hear a story that one day he was celebrating at the Eucharist in Christ Church and the organist = inadvertently gave out the note for the Sursum Corda on the Twelfth. Without a moment's hesitation he yelled down the nave toward the organ loft, "What do you = think I am? A bloody parrot?"   John Speller