PipeChat Digest #4152 - Friday, December 12, 2003
 
Re: Demise of Choirs
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Anglo American organ positions
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: St Paul's Cathedral
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Demise of Choirs From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:18:40 EST   Hey All,   I function in somewhat of a fulltime capacity at mon eglise. = Our parish serves about 1300 families, of which about 750 are active on a = regular basis. We have close to 1000 children in our religious education programs, =   only 1/3 of which attend our church, most don't attend at all. There are = 17 local sporting clubs for the children of the area. Now if you look at the = figures, you could probably guess what participation is like in my choirs. I have three choirs, One adult of 22, and two children/youth choirs that total 35 = when everyone is there. I do a great deal of my work in the Kodaly style, = teaching from rote, a good deal of literacy, Solfege, etc. My kids sing well, and = they read well also. Getting them to rehearsals is difficult, but at least = they're there! Most of my kids come from a sport or go to one after a rehearsal. = The parents love the program and tell me they learn far more with me than they = do in school, and I believe it based on the school's recent "lipsync" = competition! Its disappointing... we live in a society of quantity over quality. =   People want it, they want it to be good, but they themselves aren't = willing to make the sacrifice. So my pastor just tells me to try my best to work with = it, and if it tinkers out, so it goes... a thought I'm just not at ease with. = This is the attitude of much of the clergy these days. Children's and youth = choirs have become seasonal, singing only on major feasts, the majority of MAJOR churches have a paid quartet, so to facilitate every part represented and = having a strong voice, in the midst of people randomly missing and taking little responsibility. I can't get mad at my volunteers, I can hold them = indirectly accountable by guilt, but they're doing it for the love, same as with the = other 74 activities they do. Church music is hard these days. We have a certain integrity and artistry that we try to abide by, and yet the world is built on instant gratification. People want slush, loud, and fast. Organists compromise = having a real instrument so that they can have digital 32's and Tubas and a Bombarde = division in a church that seats 150!? Honestly, we're all guilty of it. Its quality = over quantity. not vice versa! Who knows... All I've learned is to be positive, =   look for the good, and remember its not necessarily what you sing or play, = but how well you do it. Work hard and for the right cause, and in time the = benefits will come.     Cheers,   Pete Isherwood (Who just finished his UG at Westminster!)  
(back) Subject: Anglo American organ positions From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:21:27 +0000 (GMT)   Dear list, The thought has crossed my mind that John Scott has been appointed to St. Thomas because he was the best candidate for the job, bearing in mind what the Church authorities are looking for - an experienced musician who combines organ playing ability of a high order with choir training skills. He may well also have the personality suited to this position. As others on the list have said, whilst America has many fine organists, there does not seem to be a choral tradition there in the Anglican Cathedral style, a tradition itself which is not as strong as it was, though the main cathedrals still maintain boy choirs. I see no reason to doubt that if an American were to apply for a top UK post and were the best qualified he would be appointed. However, the terms of service and remuneration are such in the UK that I cannot see many Americans being attracted to such a post, unless they look on it as a career stepping stone. This does not mean to say that they would not do it well - Bob Griffiths would have been a superb Cathedral Organist had he been interested, for example, but I think he is very happy where he is! John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Opera Censorship and the right to silence   ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer = ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. = http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D21064/*http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk  
(back) Subject: Re: St Paul's Cathedral From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:35:20 +0000 (GMT)   Other than the standard recognition of the British Monarch as Head of the Church I was under the impression that St Paul's was totally independent of the Queen, unlike Westminster Abbey which is a Royal Peculiar. Is anyone out there by any chance mixing up the two? I believe a citizen of the US bought London Bridge thinking it was Tower Bridge - he denied it, of course, but I have my doubts! John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Opera Censorship and the right to silence   ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save =A380 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer = ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be. = http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D21064/*http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk