PipeChat Digest #4155 - Sunday, December 14, 2003
 
consoles
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Flentrop Obituary in the NY Times
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Organ Bench Height
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Websites of Organists
  by "D Quentin Bellamy" <dqb@boltblue.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4154 - 12/14/03
  by "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net>
RE: Organ Bench Height
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
AGO Console Specifications
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4154 - 12/14/03
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: AGO Bench Height
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Admission to Thomaskirche, Leipzig, for Bach performances
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
 

(back) Subject: consoles From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:55:39 -0600 (CST)   The most comfortable 4-manual I've ever played is the Reiger at the Unitarian place in DC, and a beautiful sound also. The only bad part was having the 64 push- button generals on one side and the button stops on the other.   It would seem time to abandon/change the AGO standard. Having piano-sized keys with large "over-hang" plus big distances between keyboards is not helpful. (Using smaller or different shaped pistons would help this.) It's not that difficult to switch between consoles if the keydesks are laid out with sensible dimensions. It sure makes some Franck easier to play when the stretch isn't as far for the hands!    
(back) Subject: Flentrop Obituary in the NY Times From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:00:46 -0600   Today's New York Times has run the Obituary for Dirk Flentrop   http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/nyregion/14FLEN.html   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Bench Height From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:48:31 -0600   Hello, Bob, Noel, et al: Bob inquired: > Does anyone have handy the "official" AGO height... Noel replied: > 20.5 inches above middle d. The AGO Console Standard is a printed document from the AGO Headquarters in New York for $5.00. However, when I ordered a copy a while back, it was out of print, and one of their correspondents said that the specification was essentially the same as has been in place since it was originally developed by the Guild Committee on Standardization of the Console, comprised of Alexander Schreiner, George Markey, and William Harrison Barnes. The Console Standard was originally developed in 1932 and updated in 1961. So, I looked it up in Barnes' Eighth Edition of The Contemporary American Organ. I am not aware of more recent developments. Some day soon I will purchase another copy of the "official" standard as presently printed and sold by the Guild. Apparently, the emphasis was on standardizing the console; not the bench. The bench, of course, is the most adaptable complementary part of the organ playing apparatus to fit the anatomy of the person playing it. I recently installed a new organ with a "standard" bench. The organist was very short. We also put in a oak-finished console dolly so the console could be moved to different locations easily. To use the "standard" bench (nicely ornate with carvings to match the console), we cut into the upper surface of the console dolly 1-1/2-inches. By placing shims of different widths in the cut-outs, the bench can be at different heights. It is quite a nice touch that allows short-, medium-, and long-legged persons to play the organ without feeling out of reach or cramped by the distance to the pedals. Many organ builders have for years offered a bench with up-lift blocks. They started with a bench that was a bit shorter than the one Noel described (20.5 inches) and allowed the players to adjust the height in 3/4-inch increments (or whatever increment was suitable to the builder). Adjustable benches have been around for a long time also; ...the type where you crank them up or down. These may be as close to perfect that can be made available to players.   I measured the range of an adjustable bench about two years ago, and that particular bench could be adjusted from 17.5 inches (lowest setting) to about 23 inches (highest setting). The range is different from builder to builder. Check it out before you buy if an adjustable bench is in your plan for the future. It is a corny joke, but the player has to stay in touch when on the bench. Anyhow, ...stay in touch. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs   ..  
(back) Subject: Websites of Organists From: "D Quentin Bellamy" <dqb@boltblue.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:07:36 -0000   Hi   After a very long period of absence from organ email lists, here we are = again and I wonder if I could draw your attention to the website of = Roger Fisher, the brilliant virtuoso organist, late of Chester = Cathedral, and presently Features Editor of the IAO's Organists' Review. = The site gives news of all of Roger Fisher's recitals and masterclasses, = together with biographical details and of course his vast output of = recordings -- the most recent of which appeared on 1 December 2003 and = is a Celebration of Organ Music from the magnificent Forster & = Andrews/Compton/Rushworth & Dreaper organ of Hull City Hall. Details of = how to acquire these recordings may be had from the site which may be = found at www.rogerfisher.org.uk   Best wishes =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Rev'd D Quentin Bellamy MA BMus The Vicarage, Llay, Wrexham LL12 0TN Tel: 01978 852262 Mobile: 07747867157 Alternate Email address dqbellamy@yahoo.co.uk  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4154 - 12/14/03 From: "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:08:38 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:01 AM Subject: PipeChat Digest #4154 - 12/14/03     PipeChat Digest #4154 - Sunday, December 14, 2003   Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Re: Ending the Saint Thomas speculation by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> RE: Ending the Saint Thomas speculation by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Re: Boston Symphony Hall by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Re: Madeleine by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> AGO Bench Height by <Wurlitzer260@aol.com> Re: Ending the Saint Thomas speculation by <DudelK@aol.com> Re: AGO Bench Height by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Re: AGO Bench Height by <RonSeverin@aol.com> Re: AGO Bench Height by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Re: AGO Bench Height by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Re: AGO Bench Height by <RonSeverin@aol.com> Re: AGO Bench Height by <Wurlitzer260@aol.com> Re: AGO Bench Height by <Gfc234@aol.com> Re: AGO Bench Height by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>    
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing on princess pedalboard From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:20:53 -0800 (PST)   Greetings!   After graduating from high school I took lessons one summer on the Moller at the old National Presbyterian Church in Washington DC (I think it was on Conn. Ave. N. W.) where the late President Dwight Eisenhower attended. And no, the then org/chm did *not* ask/give me a chance to play for a service when the former President was in attendance...   That Moller had a seeming A. G. O. standard pedalboard where the pedals went down a lot... However, I found it very difficult to play on.   Later on in life I took some lessons at the former Moller at the now Trinity Cathedral, Columbia, S. C. That Moller's pedalboard had pedals that only went down slightly and as a result that pedalboard was much easier for me to play on...   I also have played on a number of Moller Artistes where the pedalboard seems very standard to me.   Now as for the Princess model Allen: Yes, I had to struggle with one one sunday as a sub... I struggled with the instrument, because not only were the speakers unreliable (no, they didn't "spit," but they did make some unpredictable and undescribable noises at times), the pedalboard was not easy to play on. With the pedals, I felt that the front part of my feet played on top of the flats/sharps instead of the front "corner," shall we say of the flats/sharps...   What about other Allens? The pedalboards seem OK. What is not OK is the height of a number of their benches... Thus I often find Allen's a bit difficult to play on. I feel their benches should be lower by about two inchess... but yet the distance of my legs from my knees down to the bottom of my feet might not be as long as that of other people.... And although my current organ shoes are a little higher than normal shoes, perhaps they should be even higher, a la the late Virgil Fox's organ shoes...   Season's Greetings, and best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher fellow Anglican-Music list member   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Ending the Saint Thomas speculation From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:15:51 EST   Hey Sebastian.   Right On!! Brilliant!!   George    
(back) Subject: RE: Ending the Saint Thomas speculation From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:36:54 -0600   I have heard Vandirabolintis Hrzydzymniewski play at the Topaz Cathedral in Biarritz, Ottawa (6 manuals, 32 ranks), and was very sorry he was eliminated from consideration. He alleged that John Scott stuffed a matzoh ball filled with raw rutabaga in Vandi's mouth at the critical juncture. So sad.   Afraid I have never heard of Bob Smith. Is that an Ukrainian name?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com   FIRST of all, here is the "long" list of applicants: Eliviretta Mugnoz-Daggy Djarmousche Heck Chitnis Chinitinindis Bob Smith Vandirabolintis Hrzydzymniewski John Scott Thuc Minh Tran McBerkowitz        
(back) Subject: Re: Boston Symphony Hall From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:46:16 -0500   Glenda.To my knowledge the organ has been removed for rebuilding and will not be back for a while, I forget the date. Foley-Baker is doing the work. Mack   Glenda wrote:   >Just sitting here watching "Holiday at Pops", I was wondering how often >the organ was being used nowadays? > >Glenda Sutton >gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Madeleine From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:14:01 -0500   On 12/12/03 4:58 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > Msgr. M. Francis Mannion, Rector of the Cathedral at least as of 2000.   I seem to recall that Fr. Mannion left the cathedral for a midwestern post--either at Liturgy Training Publications in Chicago, or at St. John's Abbey, Collegeville, Minn. I can't remember which. But this morning I = was informed that he is BACK in Salt Lake City, as associate pastor in a suburban parish.   Alan    
(back) Subject: AGO Bench Height From: <Wurlitzer260@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:51:42 EST   Hi List,   Does anyone have handy the "official" AGO height of the organ bench above = a standard AGO pedalboard and how that height is measured? (i.e. from which note to the top of the bench).   Thanks Bob-Dallas    
(back) Subject: Re: Ending the Saint Thomas speculation From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:54:50 EST   In a message dated 12/13/2003 10:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > Afraid I have never heard of Bob Smith. Is that an Ukrainian name? > >   He used to be known as "Buffalo Bob" Smith of the Howdy Doody Show (for = all you youngsters out there, that was a very, very popular kiddie TV show = back in the early 50s when TV was still blanc et noir). He had a Hammond at his = home in (I believe) Bronxville. I think he was disqualified for St. Thomas for either being a Lutheran or dead -- or possibly both. Probably his faux-buckskin outfit with lots of fringe wouldn't have looked so good up there = conducting, either.    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:11:57 -0500   20.5 inches above middle d.   n. jones   Wurlitzer260@aol.com wrote:   > Hi List, > > Does anyone have handy the "official" AGO height of the organ bench > above a standard AGO pedalboard and how that height is measured? (i.e. > from which note to the top of the bench). > > Thanks > Bob-Dallas    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:47:07 EST   Dear Bob Dallas:   Go to the American Guild of Organists website where you can download all of the console specifications. The bench is 20 1/2" above middle E of the pedalboard, and 29 1/2" between the lowest manual and middle E on the Pedalboard. Down load the whole thing and print it. then you'll have a reliable reference.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:12:04 -0200   Hi. "Bench: Normal height above middle E of pedal clavier, 20 1/2 ", adjustable up or down from this height by as much as 2" in either direction by means of an Acme thread screw and ball crank."   Domitila   Wurlitzer260@aol.com wrote:   > Hi List, > > Does anyone have handy the "official" AGO height of the organ bench > above a standard AGO pedalboard and how that height is measured? > (i.e. from which note to the top of the bench). > > Thanks > Bob-Dallas        
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:39:28 -0500   Hello,   Go to the AGO is good advice of course, but people with longer/shorter = lower extremities prefer an adjustable bench. The spec alone is no good if = you're uncomfortable. Spend the extra money and go for the adjustable.   Gary     Quoting RonSeverin@aol.com:   > Dear Bob Dallas: > > Go to the American Guild of Organists website where you can > download all of the console specifications. The bench is > 20 1/2" above middle E of the pedalboard, and 29 1/2" between > the lowest manual and middle E on the Pedalboard. Down load > the whole thing and print it. then you'll have a reliable reference. > > Ron Severin >        
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:27:46 EST   Hi Gary:   I'm over 6' tall so I sit far back on the bench with the bench as far back over the pedals as I dare. Short people need to sit closer, and more on = the edge of the bench. If you lower the bench short people have a better chance of reaching the pedals, but how about reaching manuals three four and five. They are now 2" farther away with shorter arms. That coupler bar under the music rack and the music rack should really be a challenge then.   Remember Chriswell? Well some of you will, and I'm dating myself as a 50's child. I predict in the near future organ consoles will be built to accomodate short people. Manual depth will be motorized, as well as the music rack to make short people more comfortable. We can do everything else, why not flexable consoles. Throw away those rolled up newspapers used to take off stops. <Grin> Remember the first woman organist at Wanamakers? She was short, on a six manual console.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: <Wurlitzer260@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:33:58 EST   In a message dated 12/13/2003 4:48:07 PM Central Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: Go to the American Guild of Organists website where you can download all of the console specifications. Thanks Ron,   I'm trying to find that - only thing close is the opportunity to purchase the AGO book and I was needing the info a bit faster. Is there a direct link where you can view the info?   Thank you (and the other listers) for the quick response!   Bob Acker Dallas     ------------------------------------------------------------Hi, Greg.   When I was a rep. for Telles, years ago, we built a console for the = Fountain Street Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, MI. The pedalboard was on a motor and could be raised or lowered, along with toe studs, to the comfort of = the organist. The bench was also electric, and would move up and down and = back and forth. I believe that they used motors from a Cadillac car seat to accomplish this feat. All was by a control on the console.   Gary J.   Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:10:58 EST   In a message dated 12/13/2003 10:28:45 PM Central Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: Remember Chriswell? Well some of you will, and I'm dating myself as a 50's child. I predict in the near future organ consoles will be built to accomodate short people. Manual depth will be motorized, as well as the music rack to make short people more comfortable. Ron-I have had similar thoughts. If anything, I've played too many = consoles where the manuals are too low, and the pedal sharps are way too far under the claviers. Adjustable consoles are the answer-you ought to be able to move the manuals forward and back, as well as up and down. I just HATE organs = where the keyboards (especially the great and positive) are in my lap. I'm sure this could be done quite easily on electric actions with a mechanism similar to that of an adjustable car seat. There should be memory levels too. Could it be done with trackers too? Maybe an organbuilder on the list has an answer. Ron and I get 50% of the profits- LOL. Greg         Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:16:04 -0800 (PST)   Greetings!   I grew upon what I was told was a Tellers-Kent organ (with a few modifications)...   The pedalboard was not standard (it was made before the AGO pedalboard guidelines came out), so both my teacher and I made mistakes on it. The pedalboard should have been farther "in" than it was...   But the console had one unusual feature: an organist could pull out the two manuals (they pulled out together) a rather long distance... Our organ consoler was in a gallery and unfortunately it was too close to the gallery wall. But if there had been a few more inches, I could have pulled out the organ manuals and pushed back the organ bench so that the "measurements" would have been suitable for me...   Henry Tellers has the records of Tellers (though I don't know how far back), and was kind enough to send me a specification of an organ made in about 1970... Perhaps he can come up with some information on consoles with moveable manuals that Tellers made/used...   Best wishes to all.     Morton Belcher =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     --- Gfc234@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/13/2003 10:28:45 PM Central > Standard Time, > RonSeverin@aol.com writes: > I predict in the near future organ > consoles will be > built to accomodate short people. Manual depth will > be motorized, > as well as the music rack to make short people more > comfortable. > Ron-I have had similar thoughts. If anything, I've > played too many consoles > where the manuals are too low, and the pedal sharps > are way too far under the > claviers. Adjustable consoles are the answer-you > ought to be able to move the > manuals forward and back, as well as up and down. I > just HATE organs where > the keyboards (especially the great and positive) > are in my lap. I'm sure this > could be done quite easily on electric actions with > a mechanism similar to > that of an adjustable car seat. There should be > memory levels too. Could it be > done with trackers too? Maybe an organbuilder on > the list has an answer. > Ron and I get 50% of the profits- LOL. > Greg > > > > > Gregory Ceurvorst > M.M. Organ Performance Student > Northwestern University > Director of Music and Organist > St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL > 847.332.2788 home > 708.243.2549 mobile > gfc234@aol.com >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/