PipeChat Digest #4156 - Monday, December 15, 2003
 
Re: AGO Bench Height
  by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: Flentrop Obituary in the NY Times
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Organ Bench Height
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Blundering in ....
  by "D Quentin Bellamy" <dqb@boltblue.com>
Re: Admission to Thomaskirche, Leipzig, for Bach performances
  by "Valerie Lefever" <Valerie.Lefever@valpo.edu>
Re: Blundering in ....
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Questions re. Magdeburgerdom Schulke
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Admission to Thomaskirche, Leipzig, for Bach performances
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Lessons & Carols in Allentown PA
  by "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net>
Re: Blundering in ....
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: consoles
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Blundering in ....
  by <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: AGO Console Specs Pamphlet
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Blundering in ....
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
NJ Moller on EBAY
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
mitchell in england
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Organ Bench Height
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:38:27 -0500   Hello Ron,   An AGO spec. bench can neither be raised nor lowered and is fixed in heig= ht. =20 The beauty of an adjustable is that it will go about 1" lower than AGO sp= ec.=20 and of course also higher. This makes them ideal for any person's stature and if you're spending 50-= 100 K=20 +++++++ for an organ, what's another 1K for the adjustable bench. I've seen too many benches with 2x4's stuck under them, rather crude when= all=20 else is designed for beauty, such as console, facades, etc. Back in the 50's/60's when you and I were just discovering the organ worl= d, we=20 never had to worry about 4/5 manuals, we were lucky to be introduced to a= 3m=20 and allowed to play the thing. Those were the days when the organ took c= enter=20 stage in the churches for its music and congregations took seriously the=20 acoustical designs in their buildings. I'm also 6ft. tall and often wished the bench was a little higher when pl= aying=20 in various churches. Anyway, those are my thoughts, have a wonderful Christmas.   Gary=20     Quoting RonSeverin@aol.com:   > Hi Gary: >=20 > I'm over 6' tall so I sit far back on the bench with the bench as far b= ack=20 > over the pedals as I dare. Short people need to sit closer, and more on= the > edge of the bench. If you lower the bench short people have a better=20 > chance of reaching the pedals, but how about reaching manuals=20 > three four and five. They are now 2" farther away with shorter arms. > That coupler bar under the music rack and the music rack should > really be a challenge then.=20 >=20 > Remember Chriswell? Well some of you will, and I'm dating myself > as a 50's child. I predict in the near future organ consoles will be > built to accomodate short people. Manual depth will be motorized, > as well as the music rack to make short people more comfortable. > We can do everything else, why not flexable consoles. Throw away > those rolled up newspapers used to take off stops. <Grin> Remember > the first woman organist at Wanamakers? She was short, on a six > manual console. >=20 > Ron Severin >=20        
(back) Subject: Re: Flentrop Obituary in the NY Times From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:10:19 -0600   And you will see it is written by our old friend Craig Whitney, author of "All the Stops"   John Speller   David Scribner wrote:   > Today's New York Times has run the Obituary for Dirk Flentrop > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/14/nyregion/14FLEN.html          
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Bench Height From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:14:17 -0600       F Richard Burt wrote:   > >It is a corny joke, but the player has to stay in >touch when on the bench. Anyhow, ...stay in touch. > > > I think the classic statement of this was made by James B. Jamison back in the 1940's, when someone said that tracker action gives one a feeling of intimacy with the organ. "So does the organ bench," he said.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Blundering in .... From: "D Quentin Bellamy" <dqb@boltblue.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:13:29 -0000   Oopsie.... I landed on an all-American mailing list! Piporg-l has gone that way too! Time for me to disappear as quickly as I arrived!   Quentin B    
(back) Subject: Re: Admission to Thomaskirche, Leipzig, for Bach performances From: "Valerie Lefever" <Valerie.Lefever@valpo.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:18:30 -0600   Karl,   I was in Leipzig for a weekend in mid-September, and attended both a Friday evening and a Saturday afternoon Bach performance. On Friday evening, although rather full, there were seats remaining. On Saturday I arrived quite early and got a seat, but by the time the performance began it was pretty much standing room only. From my experience, if you arrive about 45 minutes early and stand in line, you'll be able to get a pretty good seat.   I can't really say if it will be busy there around the time of Bach's birthday, but from the feel I got for the city and the Bach sites, my guess is that there will be larger crowds then.   Leipzig was a neat city - for me it was also the first former East German city I visited, so it was quite an experience. Have a great trip!   Valerie Lefever      
(back) Subject: Re: Blundering in .... From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:23:19 -0600   Now I am not an American, though I do live in the United States, and there are several Brits, South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders, and even South Americans who contribute regularly. Hang in there!   John Speller   D Quentin Bellamy wrote:   >Oopsie.... >I landed on an all-American mailing list! Piporg-l has gone that way too! >Time for me to disappear as quickly as I arrived! > >        
(back) Subject: Questions re. Magdeburgerdom Schulke From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:36:03 -0500   The comments some days ago about the new Schulke to go into Magdeburgerdom and especially its stoplist raise a number of questions. Perhaps someone can comment:   1. I'm intrigued by two Hauptwerk mixtures labeled Mixtur Major and Mixtur= e minor. In German organs of this era, does this refer to the "standard" lower and higher pitched mixtures, or is it louder and softer mixtures?   2. The Positiv -- R=FCckpositiv? -- lists an Echocornett III and Harm.aeth.II-III but not other mixtures such as Scharff. What might the composition and tonal nature of these mixtures be? Anything worthy of the notion of a "secondary" chorus manual?   3. The Schwellwerk lists a Progressio III-V mixture. Do/did German organs commonly use these? Or is this more a French than a German sort of mixture= ? Does it use octaves and quints only, or does it include tierce pitches as well? =20   4. What is a Seraphon stop (in the Wolowerk manual)?   5. I've never seen 8' pedal stops "Cello stark" (strong cello) and "cello schwach" (quiet or gentle cello) Given that there is an octave 8' and two flutes 8', might one expect these celli stops to be genuine string timbre, as opposed to what American builders often called Cello or Violoncello but which often turned out to be principals (sometimes even broadly scaled principals)?=20   6. Is their to be either a _rollschwelle_ or an American-style crescendo pedal? =20   I've wondered if the Magdeburgerdom stoplist could almost be read as a somewhat English organ, but not being very familiar with new organs in Germany within the past 10 or 20 years, perhaps this stoplist is typically German. Comments?=20   Am I right, that Magdeburg used to be within the former GDR? If so, does this new organ proposal indicate that the economy is doing pretty well= , or does the funding for this come from some source that is aloof from the general economy? This has GOT to be a lot of $$ -- well, Euros.   It's certainly an impressive list of stops!! Let's hope it stands in an advantageous position within the cathedral. I'd love to see/hear/play this when it's done!! =20   Danke sch=F6n.=20   Mit besten Ge=FC=DFen,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Admission to Thomaskirche, Leipzig, for Bach performances From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:52:30 -0500   Hi Valerie!!!!!   So good to get a message from you. Hello from snowy Lancaster.   Last Christmas my daughters gave me a "scholarship" to study German at the Goethe Institute location of my choice for a month, and I've been so committed to so many things that I'll not be able to take it up until March= , when I'll be in Dresden for the month in school. But Carolyn is going to come to Dresden when my schooling ends, and we'll travel for a month as well, thus using what I hope will be at least a LITTLE German-language capability! So we hope to spend the week-end of 16 - 18 April 2004 in Leipzig, including a concert at the Gewandhaus if possible, as Carolyn is a violinist and I an old-time violist.   > I was in Leipzig for a weekend in mid-September, and attended both a > Friday evening and a Saturday afternoon Bach performance. On Friday > evening, although rather full, there were seats remaining. On Saturday > I arrived quite early and got a seat, but by the time the performance > began it was pretty much standing room only. From my experience, if > you arrive about 45 minutes early and stand in line, you'll be able to > get a pretty good seat.   You confirm what I began to suspect: that the apology on the web site means that there might be a full house and you don't get in at the last minute. I'd be heart-sick to be that close to such performances and miss out on the experience because I was ignorant of the crowd situation. So I really appreciate your comment.   I hope to go two weekends from Dresden to Leipzig in March as well, though then on my own. I'd like to walk to Johannesplatz, where Bach was first buried and where Johanniskirche once stood, where Bch was later entombed (along with Gellert) before being again re-buried, the last time a= t Thomaskirche. And I'd like to get to an opera in Leipzig; I've seen that they'll be doing _Der Freisch=FCtz_ (von Weber) on one of my Dresden week-ends, and you just about NEVER see that done in America; indeed, I've never seen it. So that's also a real opportunity!! The "Wolfs Glen Scene" in _Freisch=FCtz_ is a store-house of orchestral "fireworks."   Do I hear correctly that the lot has fallen on Lynn Dobson at Good Humo= r Church, Lancaster? I'd be quite pleased to see a new Dobson in Lancaster and do think that Lynn would deliver well to Good Humor. I have always bee= n very positively impressed with his work. It would be a far cry better than the Zimmer, even when the Zimmer was new. I did what I could with the Zimmer for 14 years, but it had it limitations.   Let's see: how far along are you in your college career now? What are your hopes for the next year or two? Given that the Good Shepherd organ i= s as it is, if you are about to play a senior recital next season and would like a place to "shake it down," would you care to play it at Grace? I've retired there, but I'm still around, and I'd be pleased to make such a suggestion. The events of next season are not very firm yet, so perhaps such planning could be possible   Any other advice about Leipzig would be gratefully received. Alles gute.   Mit besten Gr=FC=DFen,   Der alte pensionierte Kappelmeister    
(back) Subject: Lessons & Carols in Allentown PA From: "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:33:58 -0500   Tuesday, Dec 16, 7:30, the annual Service of Nine Lessons and Carols St. = John's Ev. Lutheran Church in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Yours truly is = the director and Christopher Howerter is this year's guest organist. = Other accompanying instruments will be harp, flute, and handbells. The = music list: Bring a Torch, Jeanette, Isabella / K. Chapman (organ) Pastorale on Forest Green / R. Purvis (organ) Once in Royal David's City / Gaunlett-Willcocks Ding Dong! Merrily on High / arr. J. Flummerfelt Adam lay in bondage / C. Susa My Dancing Day / G. Near O Come, O Come, Emmanuel / arr. A. Carter Alleluia: A New Work is Come on Hand / M. Emery Mid-winter / B. Chilcott The First Nowell / setting, Willcocks Ave Maria / S. Rachmaninoff The Lamb / J. Tavener See Amid the Winter's Snow / Goss-Willcocks How Sweet is Love / M. Paget Do You Hear What I Hear / Regney-Shayne What Child is This / arr. D. Warland Silent Night / Gruber Hodie Christus natus est / A. Carter O Come, All Ye Faithful / Willcocks (yes, ALL stanzas!) Organ Flourish on Joy to the World / M. Dell and then . . off to the pub. Hope this interests some of you . . come if you're in the neighborhood.=20 I'd also like to let you know of a Christmas Day Organ Noel recital that = we've offered annually since 1990. We have a 10:00 a.m. service of Holy = Communion, then I play the recital at 3:00 p.m. Attendance is usually = surprisingly good, so again, all are most welcome. Have a wonderful holiday season!   Stephen Williams Organist, St. John's Lutheran, Allentown PA College Organist, Muhlenberg College  
(back) Subject: Re: Blundering in .... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:53:17 EST   I'm a Martian, and post regularly...  
(back) Subject: Re: consoles From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:07:32 EST   Tens of thousands of organists worldwide might not wish to change keyboard dimensions, especially for the manuals, after so many decades of = being alive and playing. Likewise, such a sweeping and monumental change would discourage = pianists who might otherwise be progressive and daring by moving up to the King of Instruments. They've just spent years familiarizing themselves with a = standard keyboard spacing, and their neurology knows it as second nature. Why = bother to relearn? I will not start rehashing the tiresome and tireless "AGO pedalboard" = vs. "convex and converging pedalboard" debate, except to say that whether the pedals are parallel or radiating, some degree of concavity makes for = accuracy and far less strain on connective tissues and joints. Even taking into account =   the fact that my morphology is somewhat awkward to some observers, I am = pretty sure of the way my hips operate, and that my shins do not lengthen as my = feet approach the extremes of the pedalboard. As far as playing Franck is concerned, the dude had "biggie hands," as =   they say at Wendy's. It ain't the keyboards. He had large paws, and was = not the only composer who wrote passages that were difficult for most of us.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City (playing pedal cadenzas with snow shoes affixed to my webbed feet...)   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Blundering in .... From: <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:11:24 -0500   The people in the Great White North sitting on top of us always seem to b= e=20 forgotten. Hang in there too my Canadian friends, we really DO love you.   Gary     Quoting "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>:   > Now I am not an American, though I do live in the United States, and=20 > there are several Brits, South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders,=20 > and even South Americans who contribute regularly. Hang in there! >=20 > John Speller >=20 > D Quentin Bellamy wrote: >=20 > >Oopsie.... > >I landed on an all-American mailing list! Piporg-l has gone that way t= oo! > >Time for me to disappear as quickly as I arrived! > > =20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 >=20        
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Console Specs Pamphlet From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:13:08 EST   The booklet of console specifications available from the AGO office is =   well produced on good stock, in a standard size for your files, and is = very clearly illustrated. They may be reached at (212) 870-2310.  
(back) Subject: Re: Blundering in .... From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:41:25 -0600   I am from the northernmost Caribbean colony...La Louisiane The best people lefty France and Canada 300 years ago. BAFII    
(back) Subject: NJ Moller on EBAY From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:09:51 EST   Hey Gang,   One of my HS students was cruising for guitars on EBAY and = came across a Moller of about 20 ranks on Ebay. The organ is in NJ I believe, = and it is being auctioned for a starting bid of 6K, with no bids on it. After looking at some pictures and chest work, the organ looks to be in good = condition and has a nice facade. PLEASE someone bid on it and give this instrument a = new home! Here is the link:   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2366688448&category=3D= 16219   Best,   Peter Isherwood    
(back) Subject: mitchell in england From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:44:50 EST   is mr. mitchell in england online? i need to pick his brain a bit = regarding widor. thanks,   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Bench Height From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:19:58 EST   Hi Glenda:   Yes I downloaded the console specs. two years ago for free. It's beyond belief that they see fit to charge $5.00 for three lousy pages. I'll tell you anything you might want to know for free. $5.00 grumble grumble!   Ron