PipeChat Digest #4164 - Saturday, December 20, 2003
 
Holidays in Caracas 04 (last part)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: Saint Niccola, was RE: Holidays in Caracas 02
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: Edward Hodges at Trinity New York
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Otto Winter
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Situation at Saint John the Divine
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Felix Hell. Website: www.felix-hell.com
  by <Hell-Felix@t-online.de>
Re: AGO Bench Height
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Felix Hell. Website: www.felix-hell.com
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Franck's Panis Angelicus
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Franck's Panis Angelicus
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Can you identify this piece - YES !!
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Holidays in Caracas 04 (last part) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:44:49 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Part 04: Venezuelan Christmas Carols and Church Music   Venezuelan RC church has a special permission from Rome to celebrate a traditional series of nine nine solemn "Misas de Aguinaldo" from Dec 16th= to Dec 24th included. The "Misas" (=3D Masses) are celebrated in honor of th= e Virgin Mary, in white ornaments and with Gloria, and their liturgical mus= ic are the "Aguinaldos", our traditional christmas carols [in other context, "Aguinaldo" is the Christmas Bonus too]. They have a characteristic 5/8 measure rhytm which must be performed as a 2/4 measure with a triplet on the first and a duplet on the second beat. = The average tempo is Allegro; the stanza is sung by a soloist, and the refrai= n by the choir. Our most popular carol "Ni=F1o Lindo" is in the US-UMC hymn= al (#222 in the 1989 edition) for further study insight. Who sings the "aguinaldos"?- well, traditionally a group conformed by a "Cuatro", this is our small 4-stringed folk guitar tuned in a-d'-f#'-b (exactly this way; a [below middle c'] is the prime); 2 "maracas" (rattle= s), a small "tambor" (drum) and six to eight singers (both male and female) i= n unison; the best voices are the appointed soloists. This group can be enlarged with a second cuatro, a "furruco" (this is a drum with a thin st= ick attached to the hide. The stick is rubbed and the drum gives a rumbling o= r groaning sound then); a guitar (accoustic, *please*!), organ (Pipe preferred, although reed organ was frequently used, now it's an E- keyboa= rd) and of course more singers, including children. Mtr. Vicente Emilio Sojo made beautiful but wickedly difficult arrangements for choir and piano in harmony and his pupils Evencio and Gonzalo Castellanos later adapted them for organ.   It is important to remark here however that every region of the country h= as its own specific christmas carols with different rhytms; that european immigrants (mostly of latin origin alike spaniards and italians) brought their carols with them and they were adopted in churches frequented by th= ese colonies. Puertorrican and US-american protestant missionars (who founded the first presbyterian congregations in Caracas) brought christmas carols and tunes from North America, and Santa Claus not only brought the reinde= ers and christmas tree with him but "Jingle Bells" too. All these foreign tun= es were adopted, their lyrics translated, and this way we have a very broad repertoire for each taste. In the seventies a new kind of holiday tune became countrywide popular: t= he "gaita", which comes from the Maracaibo Region in the West and has a slow 6/8 measure and a typical rhytm section accompaniment. But the "gaitas" aren't christmas carols in strict sense; their lyrics are more profane an= d regional. Nevertheless I must mention them because every radio broadcast = and record shop blares them from late October until early January, sometimes = at merciless 80+ db loudness level, and then we know: Aha, Holidays are here= !   Traditionally the "Misas de Aguinaldo" were celebrated before dawn at 5,0= 0 am; and after the mass the youths swarmed out on rolling skaters (imitati= ng Ice-skating in Northern Regions) while hot coffee or Chocolate was availa= ble at each church square. This tradition was somewhat modified however becau= se of the School Vacation shift from December to July-August in the late 195= 0s, the heavy traffic (which makes rollskating impossible) and the unsecurity= - unfortunatedly the holidays are high time for muggers and holdups too. Fo= r a time the tradition of the "Misas de Aguinaldo" was near to disappear, at least in the big cities; but then some agreements between civic and churc= h authorities were made and now it has a comeback. In most places the masse= s now are celebrated at early evening instead of 5,00 am and the youth afterwards goes to the Mall or cinema instead of skating or street-strolling. Highlight is the "Misa del Gallo"- this term comes from the spanish tradition when the mass was celebrated when the gallo (rooster) crowed fo= r the first time; and refers to the midnight christmas mass. For security reasons the hour was shifted down, first to 11 pm in the eighties, then t= o 10 pm in the nineties, then to 9,00 pm after 1996; right now it's at 8,00 pm.   At the countryside the ancient christmas tradidions remain almost untouch= ed however, and holidays still endure until February 02 like in old times - = as we know modern liturgy has shortened them until January 6th, and I ask myself: How the heck can we sing all these beautiful christmas tunes in barely two weeks?- Answer is easy: We must start at December 1st, with wh= ich the whole Advent Spirit of course goes lost and christmas carols aren't exciting anymore on Dec 24!   The average population doesn't care for this, however. Anyway our pluricultural society adopted funnier things- like facade climbing Santas= , fake winters and an accordion playing Saint Niccola di Bari!   The End ('til next time :) And: Happy Holidays to all my chatfriends! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:47:15 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Yeap- but often the organist comes after the cleaning-man. No privileges = for him. LOL   Since we are chatting about organ benches, I have a serious question:   Does somebody have hands-on experiences about usefulness (or not) of *Back-rests?*- Would be interesting for me to know.   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height     SNIP   The lowest-paid secretary in a small office has a (cheap) ergonomically designed swivel chair that is = adjustable in at least three ways, including tension on the backrest. (Even the arm-rests, if they're there, are adjustable.) An ordinary parish = secretary has that. How much more should the organist have such. Likewise, when = you go to a piano recital, the pianist usually has a (upholstered in black leather!) adjustable bench.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Saint Niccola, was RE: Holidays in Caracas 02 From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:49:09 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   No Idea, Alan... in most of our Saint Almanachs he's noted as "Saint Nicholas di Bari"- funny case of posthumous immigration & naturalisation! LOL   Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Saint Niccola, was RE: Holidays in Caracas 02     On 12/18/03 8:40 AM, "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote:   > Nicola di Bari was born in Lycia, Asia Minor; became Bishop of Myra in Asia > Minor and died there in 344 average.   Thank you, Andr=E9s. But that still leaves me with the question, Why wou= ld he have (or be known by) an Italian name, with "di Bari" attached to his name--in view of his (apparently) never having had pizza there? (Even posthumously by seven centuries!) Since his episcopal throne was in Myra= , shouldn't he be called "Nicola (?) of Myra"?   Alan            
(back) Subject: RE: Edward Hodges at Trinity New York From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:37:32 -0600   I always find John Speller's forays into the historical interesting and educational. Thank you.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com              
(back) Subject: Re: Otto Winter From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:57:16 -0500   At 07:03 PM 2003-12-18 -0500, you wrote: >Over the years I seem to have collected four CDs of Otto Winter playing >"Silbermann Orgel". > >All these CDs are "El Cheapo" CDs from Pilz from around the early 1990's, =   >and there are no notes at all with the CDs. > >Can anyone tell me if Otto Winter is still performing, is he reckoned as >being a good organist? I would like to be able to play as well as he = does! > >The other thing that I would like to know is although the label says that =   >he is playing a Silbermann organ, - does anyone know which Silbermann >organ it is? > >Bob Conway   Bob,   I have some of these recordings, and other "el cheapo" ones as well, some of which are identical performances, but attributed to a person with a different name. The performances are decent without being exciting, and the sound is good. In some cases the organ builder is noted as Silvermann. In others it is not even listed. Intriguing isn't it?   Good thing is they are as the birdie sings - cheep, cheep, cheep...................     Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Situation at Saint John the Divine From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:20:09 -0500   On 12/19/03 3:25 AM, "MFoxy9795@aol.com" <MFoxy9795@aol.com> wrote:   > Wow, this is pretty harsh stuff about someone to be putting out to a = whole > list. Is this really warranted?   No. My facts MAY have been right, but my WORDS surely were not. I really wish I'd never dipped my pen into the inkwell that day, eight days ago. VERY ill-advised on my part. I'm quite ashamed of it. > > Anyway, I am glad you admit that standing at his elbow might have been a > problem. It would have been a problem to ME if I had been your sub! > Actually, he wasn't subbing for me (I don't play any more). I'm just a groupie who hangs around the console a lot (though not that close, = usually, unless I'm turning pages).   Alan    
(back) Subject: Felix Hell. Website: www.felix-hell.com From: <Hell-Felix@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:14:34 +0100   Dear listmembers and friends,   several months ago, after a promising and reasonable offer by a small business, I launched a program, to "refurbish" my website. Unfortunately, the offer was so "promising" and so "reasonable", that this small business is even smaller now: it is out of business at all, and I have to start over again with my project. So the new website - some friends are/were waiting for it already eagerly - will hopefully come in spring 2004. In order not to lose too much time, I have updated the current site (bio, recital schedule, curriculum vitae, and a more recent picture).   Felix          
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Bench Height From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:25:42 -0500   On 12/18/03 9:12 PM, "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   > His name is Dr. Procrustes, if I recall correctly. > V. GOOD! (I couldn't remember it!)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:43:31 EST   I HATE backrests. What is the point of one being there? Are you supposed = to lounge back while you're playing? What ever happened to having good balance?!!!? Beacause I'm tall, I like to sit far back on organ = benches-something a back rest won't allow. I would strongly advise you not to purchase a back = rest for your bench! greg           Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:53:48 -0800   Don't be so harsh, Greg. After multiple spinal surgeries, I NEEDED a back-rest so I COULD lean back and rest between musical items in the Mass, as there's not a chance to get off the bench and stretch, except during the sermon.   Not all of us are young and strong <G>.   Cheers,   Bud Clark, who celebrated his fiftieth year as an organist this year   Gfc234@aol.com wrote:   > I HATE backrests. What is the point of one being there? Are you > supposed to lounge back while you're playing? What ever happened > to having good balance?!!!? Beacause I'm tall, I like to sit far back on =   > organ benches-something a back rest won't allow. I would strongly > advise you not to purchase a back rest for your bench! > greg > > > > > > Gregory Ceurvorst > M.M. Organ Performance Student > Northwestern University > Director of Music and Organist > St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL > 847.332.2788 home > 708.243.2549 mobile > gfc234@aol.com <http://gfc234@aol.com/>      
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:30:00 -0500   From a physical need point of view, I can agree that they're good, but = from a purely astethic (sp) point of view, I do not like them either. = Bud's point is well-taken. Hopefully it'll be a long time before I "NEED" = to have one, if ever. :)   Jeff > From: quilisma@cox.net > > Don't be so harsh, Greg. After multiple spinal surgeries, I NEEDED a = back-rest > > I HATE backrests.    
(back) Subject: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:16:46 EST   Dear List,   I had a backrest on my last organ bench and it was a lifesaver for = over 9 years when you have 6 masses a weekend to play. As Bud stated, you can = lean back abit between playing.The console is a large 4 manual Moller and the backrest on the bench was not a bother nor in the way of performance. The = console was located in the loft about 25 feet up. With my back to the altar and = being right up against the railing, the backrest also provided some reassurance =   stability when playing and directing as well as safety. LOL I kid you not. When we were building our new organ, I requested a backrest be = included. I am no longer in the loft, but I do appreciate the leaning and resting between hymns and mass parts. Don't knock it until you try it. I have 8 = masses to play over Christmas and I will be leaning back and resting often. LOL = Enjoy the holidays.   Peace,   Daniel    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell. Website: www.felix-hell.com From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:31:31 -0600   Thanks for the heads-up Felix. If you need web design help, email me privately. Web Design is what I do. Have a look at cantor-usa.com and cantor-organs.com .....   Cheers,   Tim     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:58:19 -0600   Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote:   >Does somebody have hands-on experiences about usefulness (or not) of >*Back-rests?*- Would be interesting for me to know. > > > Personally I dislike back rests. They make it impossible to get into the console by sitting on the bench and swinging your legs over, which has always been my perferred method. I have been having a herniated disc problem of late and find organ benches more comfortable than just about any other form of seat. The ones with back rests, however, support my back in just the wrong place and make my back problems worse rather than better.   John Speller        
(back) Subject: Re: Backrests (was RE: AGO Bench Height) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:45:42 EST   In a message dated 12/19/2003 7:57:57 PM Central Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: Personally I dislike back rests. They make it impossible to get into the console by sitting on the bench and swinging your legs over, which has always been my perferred method. I have been having a herniated disc problem of late and find organ benches more comfortable than just about any other form of seat. The ones with back rests, however, support my back in just the wrong place and make my back problems worse rather than better.   John Speller John, I agree with you 100%-but so what...The moral of the story here is, "different strokes, for different folks," just like 98% of the other = topics on this list. Andres, I suggest that you go and play a 2, 3 and 4 manual = instrument with a backrest-you decide what feels good for yourself! An interesting = back rest story: At my first church job there was an Allen MDS8. My = predecessor requested that a back rest be put on the bench-to the tune of 800 dollars = paid to Allen( I am still in disbelief-how could 3 pieces of wood and 8 bolts cost = that much????) !!! When I began working there, my first order of business was = to immediately remove the posture imposing back rest! :) cheers, gfc         Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Franck's Panis Angelicus From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:01:21 -0600   Hello, Does anyone have ideas on how I would register the Franck Panis Angelicus? I don't have a decent organ just now, but maybe someday... Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"      
(back) Subject: Re: Franck's Panis Angelicus From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:20:17 -0800   For organ solo?   First verse:   RH - Sw. Oboe, tremulant LH - Gt. Flute   Second verse, when the canon comes in:   RH - Sw. Strings, celeste, maybe 4' flute LH - Gt. Flute   Cheers,   Bud   Alicia Zeilenga wrote:   > Hello, > Does anyone have ideas on how I would register the Franck Panis = Angelicus? > I don't have a decent organ just now, but maybe someday... > Alicia Zeilenga > Sub-Dean AGO@UI > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Can you identify this piece - YES !! From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:11:42 -0000   Dear all,   The piece is now identified.. It's not by Vierne, Karg-Elert, or any of = the other less well known names suggested. Nor is it an improvsiation. The English - 1930-40s diagnosis is spot-on though. The announcer was right - the piece IS 'Lilacs in the Rain' but NOT the unremarkable one by Peter deRose (which music I have). I was completely bamboozled by this.   I finally wrote to William Davies, the organist on the broadcast and he has kindly solved the mystery. It's 'Lilacs in the rain' by Reginald = King, prolific English light music composer, pianist and orchestral conductor, published in 1942. The piano score is available from Bardic Music ( http://www.bardic-music.com/king.htm ) . They have all Reginald King's music, and there is information about him and his output on the website.   It's still on my website ( http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/misc.html - click on "Unknown"? ) to listen to - it aroused quite a bit of interest when I posted it = recently. There is a double CD of more of his music on the Shellwood site. ( http://www.shellwood.co.uk/catalogue/track_swcd17.html )   Best wishes,   Bruce Miles                 website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html