PipeChat Digest #4181 - Tuesday, December 30, 2003
 
Trinity Episcopal Article
  by "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net>
Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)
  by "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com>
bulletin typos
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Trinity Episcopal Article
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)
  by "black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: bulletin typos
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)
  by "black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: bulletin typos
  by "Frances Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net>
typos
  by "black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: bulletin typos
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Trinity Episcopal Article
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net>
Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: bulletin typos
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
15th century Organo wanted
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: 15th century Organo wanted
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Bits and Pieces...
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
notation software
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
medieval organ
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Bits and Pieces...
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: bulletin typos
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: notation software
  by "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Trinity Episcopal Article From: "John Jarvis" <JLJarvis@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:36:35 -0800   I came across a very interesting article this morning concerning an experimental digital organ installed at Trinity Episcopal in the financial district of NYC. It seems that the local Rodgers / Rufatti dealers have created their own digital organ and installed it at Trinity. Has anyone = on the list had a chance to hear this organ?   http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20031203S0032   JJ      
(back) Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) From: "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:53:12 -0600   It is a curiosity, the connection between organists and trains. I met my husband in train dispatch school. His opening line to me was, "I know who Widor and Franck are." He took three years of organ lessons during high school. He spent three years in medical school to my eight years as a paramedic. Now he writes about trains and I am back to doing church music. It's a connection all right.   Tina Hemphill   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)     > What is it about trains that they seem to end up in a thread at least > once every other month? > > Alicia -who has no less than four rail road tee shirts- Zeilenga > Sub-Dean AGO@UI > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" >    
(back) Subject: bulletin typos From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:59:58 -0500   In past years I've always dreaded seeing what typos church secretaries = come up with in what I contribute to the bulletin--titles, composers' names, = etc. Though at my present church the secretary is the most professional of any = I had worked with. But I have found a good solution: I email her my text (which now includes about 300 words per Sunday of notes on the music) in a Word document, so that she doesn't have to retype it. Any typos will now = be entirely my fault.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Episcopal Article From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:03:51 EST   This contentious subject was thrashed completely to death on all organ-related chat lists many months ago.  
(back) Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) From: "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:30:51 -0600   I have also found a commonality too and that is a liking for antique = clocks. Anyone else found that to be true too? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:53 AM Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)     > It is a curiosity, the connection between organists and trains. I met my > husband in train dispatch school. His opening line to me was, "I know = who > Widor and Franck are." He took three years of organ lessons during high > school. He spent three years in medical school to my eight years as a > paramedic. Now he writes about trains and I am back to doing church = music. > It's a connection all right. > > Tina Hemphill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) > > > > What is it about trains that they seem to end up in a thread at least > > once every other month? > > > > Alicia -who has no less than four rail road tee shirts- Zeilenga > > Sub-Dean AGO@UI > > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:49:58 EST   In a message dated 12/30/2003 8:48:59 AM Central Standard Time, gblack@ocslink.com writes: I have also found a commonality too and that is a liking for antique = clocks. Anyone else found that to be true too? Gary Our fellow listmember Devon Hollingsworth has quite a collection of = clocks!   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: bulletin typos From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:58:46 -0500   I have a feeling I have told this true tale before. I was shown a post Christmas bulletin by a Westminster student who was playing at a small country church outside of Princeton. The church secretary had phoned him = in a bit of a panic, asking what his postlude would be on the coming Sunday. = He said, "Oh, do I have to list one this week? Well, I'll just improvise." = What is between the quotation marks is exactly what appeared in the bulletin, = and I saw it myself! Like Thomas, had I not seen it myself, I would not have believed.   Happy New Year to all,   Malcolm     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: bulletin typos     > In past years I've always dreaded seeing what typos church secretaries come > up with in what I contribute to the bulletin--titles, composers' names, etc. > Though at my present church the secretary is the most professional of = any I > had worked with. But I have found a good solution: I email her my text > (which now includes about 300 words per Sunday of notes on the music) in = a > Word document, so that she doesn't have to retype it. Any typos will = now be > entirely my fault. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu >      
(back) Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) From: "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:44:18 -0600   I love clocks, I have several myself. Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!)     In a message dated 12/30/2003 8:48:59 AM Central Standard Time, = gblack@ocslink.com writes: I have also found a commonality too and that is a liking for antique = clocks. Anyone else found that to be true too? Gary Our fellow listmember Devon Hollingsworth has quite a collection of = clocks!   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: bulletin typos From: "Frances Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:33:31 -0800   Here is something I have always wondered. In all the RC churches I have played, the prelude, offering and postlude by the organist is never listed in the bulletin. In fact, the order or worship is never in the bulletin. = An organist can take great pains to match the organ service music to the liturgical year and readings, but no one in the congregation would know or care. In the protestant church, great pains are taken to put in the titles of all organ pieces. Does anyone have any comments on my observation? Fran   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:58 AM Subject: Re: bulletin typos     > I have a feeling I have told this true tale before. I was shown a post > Christmas bulletin by a Westminster student who was playing at a small > country church outside of Princeton. The church secretary had phoned him in > a bit of a panic, asking what his postlude would be on the coming = Sunday. He > said, "Oh, do I have to list one this week? Well, I'll just improvise." What > is between the quotation marks is exactly what appeared in the bulletin, and > I saw it myself! Like Thomas, had I not seen it myself, I would not have > believed.        
(back) Subject: typos From: "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:05 -0600   Coming from Illinios, home of Hinners pipe organ company in Pekin at one time, I attended a recital and the name of the organ company, Hinners was printed in the program. Due to the Gothic type that Hinners used for = their name plates, the name was printed. Himmers organ company. If you can't = read it then go with the flow I guess. Gary      
(back) Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:19:49 -0500   On 12/30/03 9:30 AM, "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> wrote:   > I have also found a commonality too and that is a liking for antique = clocks. > Anyone else found that to be true too? Gary   MAJOR big time. How about VERY antique Versailles-worthy clocks = containing music-making machinery--including miniminimicro organs? There was a fascinating series on that about six weeks ago on this? or another? list. SO engrossing, that I'll have to dig it up and get back to you. It's = surely in somebody's archives somewhere.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: bulletin typos From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:34:07 -0500   On 12/30/03 11:33 AM, "Frances Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> wrote:   > In the protestant church, great pains are taken to put in the titles > of all organ pieces. Does anyone have any comments on my observation?   Sure. In the form of a rhetorical question: "What's music WORTH around here?" (And what's the worth of the person "doing" it, and of his/her musical scholarship, taste, training?)   Alan www.stlukesnyc.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Episcopal Article From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:36:41 -0800   Go to the Trinity Church Wall Street web site and you can hear last Sunday's service every week and right now the Christmas Eve Service as well. There were duplicate discriptions of the organ on piporg-L, etc around October.     John Jarvis wrote:   > I came across a very interesting article this morning concerning an > experimental digital organ installed at Trinity Episcopal in the > financial district of NYC. It seems that the local Rodgers / Rufatti > dealers have created their own digital organ and installed it at > Trinity. Has anyone on the list had a chance to hear this organ? >      
(back) Subject: Re: trains (was HAPPY CHRISTMAS!) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:27:52 -0500   On 12/30/03 9:30 AM, "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> wrote:   > I have also found a commonality too and that is a liking for antique cloc= ks. > Anyone else found that to be true too? Gary   Gary: Re my earlier post, I just checked and confirmed that the poster about antiquarian time-keeping machinery that makes music IS on this list: Andr=E9s G=FCnther. I'm sure his posts on the subject, about six or eight week= s ago, exist somewhere. Just ask, and someone will come up with them. They're VERY worth careful reading.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: bulletin typos From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:43:37 -0500   On 12/30/03 9:58 AM, "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:   > I have a feeling I have told this true tale before. I was shown a post > Christmas bulletin by a Westminster student who was playing at a small = country > church outside of Princeton.   My favorite remains the parish (name and location of no consequence, but, = on topic, they have a nice 30-rank Martin Pasi tracker) where they have maybe thirty weddings a year. Secretary has prepared a quite decent (and complete) bulletin template that she just does a "search-and-replace" on each time, putting in the right names and dates/times.   Dougie and Mary got married one week. No problem. But then next week it was John and Cynthia. So the bulletin came out with one line of the Apostles' Creed, "born of the Virgin Cynthia."   Alan      
(back) Subject: 15th century Organo wanted From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:48:48 -0500   This came to me from a non-subscriber via my genealogy lists . The = gentleman sent me some pictures of what he is looking for, It's a typical hand held portative pipe organ with a bellows affixed to the back such as you see = used by St. Cecilia with about 25 small pipes.   I'm sure somebody has a idea of who makes replicas or has some plans for = one.   You can reply to me the list or ljw@psilink.co.je     Nelson :-))   Happy New Year Everyone.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "ljw" <ljw@psilink.co.je> To: <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: medieval Organo     > Dear Dentons, > I saw your posting below on the list quite by chance because > I'm also an amateur family-, military-, & naval historian. > I also happen to be a medieval re-enactor with the only medieval > group in the British Channel Island of Jersey - and an amatuer > folk-musician & singer of over 40 years' enthusiasm. > I have recently thought of adding another skill to my > medieval "characters" - that of a late-15th-Century Troubador, - > and as I already have some rusty keyboard skills, it seems to > me that the quickest route to a level of skill for public > performance of medieval music at our "re-enactments" would be > as a singer and organo player. > I have already done considerable research on this matter > through world-wide "Re-enactors'Group" contacts - and have > only found one reference to a replica organo. Would you care to > look into this project on my behalf, and give me some idea what > it might cost and how long it might take - to reconstruct one for > me? > Cordially, > Julian Wilson.      
(back) Subject: Re: 15th century Organo wanted From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:05:19 -0800   A Google of "Portative Organs" yields the following, and lots more.   Cheers,   Bud   http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=3DPortative+Organ&page=3D= 1&offset=3D0&result_url=3Dredir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D2cb91= d01e497a9bb%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D1%26amp%3BuserQuery%3DPortative%2BOrg= an%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fthescholarsgarret.com%252Fpo= rtative%252F%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPIndex&remove= _url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fthescholarsgarret.com%2Fportative%2F   http://www.cynthialarge.com/keyboard/keyboardpainting6.html   http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=3DPortative+Organ&page=3D= 1&offset=3D0&result_url=3Dredir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D2cb91= d01e497a9bb%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D8%26amp%3BuserQuery%3DPortative%2BOrg= an%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fearlymusichicago.org%252Fbus= inesses_portativeorgan.htm%26amp%3BinvocationType%3D-%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNS= CPIndex&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fearlymusichicago.org%2Fbusinesses_portati= veorgan.htm   http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=3DPortative+Organ&page=3D= 2&offset=3D0&result_url=3Dredir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26amp%3BrequestId%3D877df= b90452322e1%26amp%3BclickedItemRank%3D13%26amp%3BuserQuery%3DPortative%2BOr= gan%26amp%3BclickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.larkinam.com%252FMenCom= Net%252FBusiness%252FRetail%252FLarknet%252FKeyboards%252F%26amp%3Binvocati= onType%3Dnext%26amp%3BfromPage%3DNSCPNextPrev&remove_url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww= .larkinam.com%2FMenComNet%2FBusiness%2FRetail%2FLarknet%2FKeyboards%2F       Nelson Denton wrote:   > This came to me from a non-subscriber via my genealogy lists . The = gentleman > sent me some pictures of what he is looking for, It's a typical hand = held > portative pipe organ with a bellows affixed to the back such as you see = used by > St. Cecilia with about 25 small pipes. > > I'm sure somebody has a idea of who makes replicas or has some plans for = one. > > You can reply to me the list or ljw@psilink.co.je > > > Nelson :-)) > > Happy New Year Everyone. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ljw" <ljw@psilink.co.je> > To: <ndenton@cogeco.ca> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: medieval Organo > > > >>Dear Dentons, >>I saw your posting below on the list quite by chance because >>I'm also an amateur family-, military-, & naval historian. >>I also happen to be a medieval re-enactor with the only medieval >>group in the British Channel Island of Jersey - and an amatuer >>folk-musician & singer of over 40 years' enthusiasm. >>I have recently thought of adding another skill to my >>medieval "characters" - that of a late-15th-Century Troubador, - >>and as I already have some rusty keyboard skills, it seems to >>me that the quickest route to a level of skill for public >>performance of medieval music at our "re-enactments" would be >>as a singer and organo player. >>I have already done considerable research on this matter >>through world-wide "Re-enactors'Group" contacts - and have >>only found one reference to a replica organo. Would you care to >>look into this project on my behalf, and give me some idea what >>it might cost and how long it might take - to reconstruct one for >>me? >>Cordially, >>Julian Wilson. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Bits and Pieces... From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:06:47 -0800   =3D-> Subject: Charlie Lester's Dubois From: "Paul Kealy" <kealypaul@mediaexcellence.com>   If anyone can pull it off, it will be Charlie Lester. <-=3D     I appreciate Paul's kind comments. He's a very, very nice and engaging person and it was a delight to meet him at my recital. My piece "The Shepherds" is one of those things that's about 20% written out and 80% in my head. It's just a matter of taking the time one of these days to sit down and write it all out.   I'm a bit embarrassed to say that, as computer literate (indeed, computer-dependent) as I am in just about every other area of my life, I have never mastered any of the computer music engraving programs. They're just too darn hard to use!   A friend gave me a copy of one of the most popular programs, called Finale -- I installed it, sat with the three-volume set of user manuals that, together, are thicker than the L.A. phone book, and just could not make heads nor tails of the confounded program. After several hours of head scratching and some very fine profanity, I said "Phooey on this!" Put the books on the shelf and there they still sit.   And it's not that I am a computer lightweight -- I have been a graphic artist for +14 years and cut my teeth on prehistoric DOS-based programs called Ventura Publisher and GemDraw (anyone remember those old klunkers?!) I am a master, if I may say so myself, of QuarkExpress, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc., and have also been designing web sites for more than 10 years and know HTML, at code level, inside and out. (One web-design program that I learned to loathe was Microsoft's Front Page -- the penultimate in kludgy, badly constructed software.)   Anyway....... point being that until someone comes up with music notation software that I can just sit down and use, without having to spend weeks just figuring out how to change staff configurations, my compositions will remain in limbo.   Another piece I would really to write out is my "Festive Variations on 'Joy to the World.'" Might as well add mine to the thousand others out there!   And I have a cute arrangement of "Carol of the Birds" that really, really, sounds like there are birds chirping away in the organ loft! [After the concert, a little girl asked me if she could see my bird! Yes, that one stopped me in my tracks for a moment!!] And no, my Casavant does not have a bird-call stop! It's done with a combination of flute stops played high on the manual. When the birds really get going, I throw on the zimbelstern -- mixed in with the tinkley flute sounds, it makes a very merry cacophony!     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     =3D-> Subject: Another typo From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:14:37 -0500   And once our secretary wrote that I was playing "Plein Jell" instead of "Plein Jeu." Wonder what flavor it was.... <-=3D     Well, there was NO flavor -- it was PLEIN!   ba-DUMP-bump *krrsh* "But seriously folks..."     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     =3D-> Subject: Re: Another typo From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:26:10 EST   You haven't lived until you play Pachelbel's Canyon in D. <-=3D   I haven't seen it spelled that way in print, but I've heard it pronounced that way several times. Here in SoCal, with the deep-running Hispanic culture that flavors most of our world out here, many people pronounce the word canon in its Spanish pronunciation, ca=F1on. (Do diacriticals work in here? Guess I'll find out...) The famous Ca=F1on Drive in Beverly Hills is pronounced "Canyon" except by tourists. So it would stand to reason that the good folks out here would see "Canon" and pronounce it "Ca=F1on."     What a world, What a world.......      
(back) Subject: notation software From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:26:44 -0800       Charlie Lester wrote:   > > I'm a bit embarrassed to say that, as computer literate (indeed, > computer-dependent) as I am in just about every other area of my life, I =   > have never mastered any of the computer music engraving programs. > They're just too darn hard to use! > > A friend gave me a copy of one of the most popular programs, called > Finale -- I installed it, sat with the three-volume set of user manuals > that, together, are thicker than the L.A. phone book, and just could not =   > make heads nor tails of the confounded program. After several hours of > head scratching and some very fine profanity, I said "Phooey on this!" > Put the books on the shelf and there they still sit. >   One word: SIBELIUS.   I had the same experience with Finale ... I tackled it three different times and gave up. I understand NOW, with Sibelius nipping at their heels, the Finale people have FINALLY come down off their high-horse, and the learning curve is similar to Sibelius.   I remember calling Finale when I was shopping for a program ... I do pretty esoteric stuff ... Gregorian chant in modern notation ... and I was particularly concerned with how a program handled free rhythm. The response I got from Finale was basically, "We're Finale; we can do anything; if you can't, it's because you're STUPID!"   Sibelius, on the other hand, has been EXTREMELY helpful, both before and AFTER I bought the program.   I went through the "cuss and spit, wanna throw it in the swimming pool" period with Sibelius too (grin), but it only lasted a couple of days, mostly because it required writing the notes FIRST and putting in the text afterwards ... backwards from the way I was accustomed to writing music by hand. It took me about two weeks to get to the point that I didn't have to look up things in the manual, which, by the way, is smaller than the Book of Common Prayer (grin) ... the first thing I typeset was the complete Holy Week Manual for the choir (!), and with a couple of minor revisions, they're still using it six years later.   It's best to READ the glossary FIRST ... although they mercifully don't use minims and quavers, it IS a British program, and some of the names of things may throw you at first.   I found the easiest way to approach it was this: just relax and LOOK up each step, to begin with. Speed comes later. NOW, I can turn out a fairly complex page of SATB + organ at the rate of about one page every 45 minutes or so.   I couldn't be happier with it ... I haven't upgraded beyond 1.4, because many of the people on my music download list haven't, and 2.0 and beyond aren't backward-compatible. But 1.4 does everything *I* need it to do.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: medieval organ From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:24:53 -0600   Wasn't someone here just inquiring about something like this? (I dumped the trash a bit prematurely and lost the original message)   Cheers -- Tim   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2368674564&category=3D= 16219   eBay item #2368674564    
(back) Subject: Re: Bits and Pieces... From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:21:49 -0600   You might want to try Sibelius - much more intuitive and almost as powerful as Finale. Both of these are incomparably easier to use if you're on a Macintosh rather than a Windows box by the way, so if you're having problems mastering computer programs, that's a place to start!   Happy New Year, Russ Greene       On Tuesday, December 30, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Charlie Lester wrote:   > I'm a bit embarrassed to say that, as computer literate (indeed, > computer-dependent) as I am in just about every other area of my life, > I have never mastered any of the computer music engraving programs. > They're just too darn hard to use!    
(back) Subject: Re: bulletin typos From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:32:55 EST   Randy,   I too write notes on the music for each week, and often email these (proof-read and spell-checked) to our first class parish secretary. If I = submit them hand-written, I stick around to make sure she can read them. Fortunately, = the secretary spent years working as a book editor. Very occasionally she = edits them for length or clarity. She is such a good editor that when I get them back = I cannot see the difference unless I compare the two drafts! It makes for wonderful bulletins, but alas, not for funny typo stories!   Bill H. St. John's Bowdoin St.    
(back) Subject: Re: notation software From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:37:16 -0500   > A friend gave me a copy of one of the most popular programs, called > Finale -- I installed it, sat with the three-volume set of user manuals > that, together, are thicker than the L.A. phone book, and just could not > make heads nor tails of the confounded program. After several hours of   > head scratching and some very fine profanity, I said "Phooey on this!"   > Put the books on the shelf and there they still sit.   I just got a copy of Finale 2004 and the manual is only about half an inch thick. It takes you step by step through everything and is really quite clear. I'm really very pleased with it. We have Sibelius at school, but I started using Finale a couple years ago and I really like it.   Shelley