PipeChat Digest #3423 - Sunday, February 2, 2003
 
Re: verses for outer space (X-posted) - suggestion
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
RE: Weddings  - Right of First Refusal
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: verses for outer space - suggestion
  by <patmai@juno.com>
comment on hymn text for Candlemas/Columbia
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Sunday, Feb. 16 event ion Rochester Wurlitzer (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: verses for outer space (X-posted) - suggestion
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Scholarly Organists
  by "Kaiser M, Lancee T" <lankai@netrover.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: verses for outer space (X-posted) - suggestion From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:17:28 -0000   Might I suggest the following amendments ?   Lord, guard and guide *all those who fly_ Though the great spaces in the sky. Be with them always in the air, In darkening storms or sunlight fair; Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer, For those in peril in the air!   (* since the crew was mixed gender and mixed nationality)   Aloft in solitudes of space, Uphold them with Thy saving grace. Thou, who supports with tender might_ The balanced birds in all their flight; Lord, if *ill-tempered winds blow near, *Then, having Thee, they'll know no fear.   However, what an excellent suggestion; and I will certainly incorporate = this hymn next Sunday - with these two verses featured by the choir. It does show the Internet in a good light when we can inform each other in so quick and convenient a manner. So much of cyber-space has fallen to the forces of pornography and slush mailing. This makes such an uplifting and refreshing change.   Harry Grove [musicman] -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: +mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; organchat <organchat@egroups.com>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 02 February 2003 00:07 Subject: verses for outer space (X-posted)     >Jim Lampert fished the following additional verses for "Eternal Father" >from the CyberHymnal and posted them on piporg-1: > >Tune: Melita      
(back) Subject: RE: Weddings - Right of First Refusal From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 07:55:05 -0500   I have played weddings for free when there was a real financial need, = after consultation with the minister, but I generally prefer to be paid. Incidentally, at my church, weddings with no organ are generally the = result of lots of money, rather than not enough; there have been several weddings with string quartets providing the music. Since the organ was not used, I did not ask for a bench fee..   Paul   At 8:10 PM -0500 2/1/3, Larry Wheelock wrote: >Below I quote Rule 4 of the Code of Ethics of the American Guild of = Organists. > > << Before accepting an engagement for a wedding, funeral, or other >service, members shall obtain the approval of the incumbent musician. In >cases where this engagement has been requested by a third party, it is >appropriate for the third party to offer the incumbent his/her customary >fee. It is the responsibility of members to inform the third party of = this >rule. >> > >While not all organists are members of the Guild, the fact that the AGO >considers this appropriate to address with national guidelines makes it >clear that requesting permission and receiving payment in such a = situation >is not at all out of the mainstream but, rather, the customary practice. >Every church staff/personnel committee should be made immediately aware = of >this. This is the norm. Period. > >Larry Wheelock >Director of Music Ministries >Artist-in-Residence >Kenwood United Methodist Church >Milwaukee, Wisconsin >musicdirector@kenwood_umc.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: Re: verses for outer space - suggestion From: <patmai@juno.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:13:23 -0500   Dear List members,   Thanks to all for posting these stanzas in memory of the seven astronauts.   May I add one other change to the text?   The second line of the first stanza.. Please change "though" to "Through" It makes more sense to me that way.   Lord, guard and guide all those who fly *Through the great spaces in the sky. Be with them always in the air, In darkening storms or sunlight fair; Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer, For those in peril in the air! Regards to all, Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point, NY III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller/Gress-Miles   ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com  
(back) Subject: comment on hymn text for Candlemas/Columbia From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 06:02:50 -0800 (PST)   'morning--   Regarding the new verses to "Melita."   Well, I have to agree both with the point on "the"--it doesn't scan well--AND with the basic good quality and recommendability of the verses. One could certainly do them to good effect this morning in church.   No "occasional" hymn has worked as well, IMHO, as Carl P. Daw's "When Sudden Terror Tears Apart," written on September 11, 2001. But this one certainly ain't bad!   But still, the third verse in the Hymnal(s) works better for me, because it alludes to Scripture, and the line "those who dare the eagle's flight" is very, very strong, where "soaring birds" is less so. It's less specific (eagle versus generic bird) and 'soaring' functions adjectivally, which fractionally slows down the line.   The bones of a poem (as of any sentence) are its verbs and nouns; adjectives and adverbs are essentially adipose tissue. Some of us like skinny, and some of us like plump....! --but it's usually more striking and memorable to build on nouns and verbs. Too many of the other parts of speech and you have an invertebrate! (Then again, chacun a son gout!)   One of my great 'bibles' in poetic technique is John Ciardi's "How Does a Poem Mean?" The former professor at Rutgers, poetry editor of the Saturday Evening Post, and translator of Dante offers superb, easily digested principles drawn from a vast understanding of the literature. His discussion of adjectives rings in my head every day twenty years after reading it.   Ciardi also wrote the children's verse collection "I Met a Man," which had me rolling on the floor sick with laughter as a child. I quote from memory dating back to the 1960's:   I met a man who was trying to whittle A ship from a stick, but little by little The ship he whittled grew littler and littler! Said he with a sigh, "I'm a very bad whittler! I've whittled my ship till it's small as a boat-- Now I've whittled a hole in it! How will it float?" So he threw it away and cut his throat. And when he saw his head was gone, He whittled another and put that on.     Kind of strong stuff for a kid, come to think of it! :)   Best   Jon  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:13:09 -0500   In a message dated 2/1/2003 12:53:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Cremona502@cs.com writes:   ....in the same proportion as the clergyperson reduces or eliminates = his/her fee!! LOL Merry > I've always let the clergy know that I will play for weddings in which = finances are a problem. Having been an organist all of my life I somehow = understand the problem! > > > Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at > Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:21:14 -0000   I think this would be a great loss to organists and those interested in = the organ who are perhaps formally unqualified and therefore rather less than 'scholarly'. (I am one of them)   We have lots to learn from our peers on this list, and although we may be = a bit of a nuisance at times, our peers may sometimes learn from us. The = list is not so crowded that both groups cannot co-exist and, IMHO, to their mutual advantage.   Bruce Miles     website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post     > Dear List: > > I hear a collective groan shuddering through the halls of Cyberland: > "Oh, God, no, not another Pipe Organ List on the Internet! What does > this make, eight thousand or so??" > > Yes, I'm afraid so. I have been thinking about this, and I feel that, > the more the Computer and the Internet become part of our lives, the > more specific and fine-grained will be our self-expression therein. > > I have enjoyed being on PIPORG-L since 1996; and PipeChat since about > 1998; and even to have lurked on OrganChat. I am told there are other > lists too. > > Most lists up to now seem to want to fall into either a 'serious' or a > 'light' category. I keep wondering if I really fit into either one. > I'm a chatty, gregarious, extroverted, very verbal, highly degreed > organist. At times I feel I don't fit in. When I feel like being > chatty, or academic, I have to watch which list I post to, lest a > certain lady or a certain gentleman take me to task publicly. > > Maybe it's just me, but I'm neither a lightweight nor a 900-lb gorilla, > and oftentimes (like this past week, for example), I've been made to > feel like both. > > Hence, I have embarked on an experiment, and I emphasize it's an > EXPERIMENT. > > I have just created, thanks to Yahoo! Groups, a new, moderated internet > list for *credentialed* organists. The normal minimum qualification > for membership will be a master's degree in music or Associate level > certification with one of the three major English-speaking organ > societies. Membership is at the list owner's discretion, and one's > credentialing is not to be seen either as a guarantee nor an absolute > obstacle to participation. The list is *not* meant for beginners, > hobbyists, or fans of the instrument--there are many other venues where > you can shine. > > I hope you will all take this experiment in the good spirit in which it > was conceived. I think that the experience of high-level postgraduate > training gives its, um, survivors a common language and common pool of > experience that they may enjoy sharing together. The same idea that > informs the famous University Club of New York. I don't like elitism, > and I hope you won't see this list as elitist. But *we* need someplace > to go too, I think. > > At Indiana University, Bloomington, there was a great place for us on > the third floor, the old Associate Instructor's Office amongst the > organ practice rooms. We called it the "AI Lounge", and hung out in it > at all hours....storing our organ shoes, scores, metronomes, and > lunches there...pounding its old wretched piano...and so forth. For a > while, the AI Lounge came under the domination of one or two ugly > personalities, and it was more of a snakepit than a lounge...but I > remember the times when I had some of the best conversations of my life > there, fun *and* sophisticated, scholarly *and* full of laughter. I > remember swapping jokes while playing the left hand parts of the Mahler > 5 in full orchestral score (struggling furiously to keep up with the 19 > year old who was sailing thru the top half of the page!!) > > I'm also very glad to reflect that the people who sparkled the > brightest there have gone on to great things! > > So, in the best spirit of the old AI lounge, I am opening, as of today, > The Scholarly Organist Group. If you are an organist with high > professional credentials, visit this website: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scholorgroup/ and consider this a > personal invitation to join and enjoy yourself. > > You can also access the new list via my website, www.Jonathanbhall.com. > > As List Owner, I do NOT intend for my personality or writings to > dominate the list. I have other venues for that. But I do plan to > participate, and to be myself! > > I should also say that this new list is not intended to disparage or > drain membership from established lists, but to provide a new and, I > hope, creative alternative. > > As I say, this list is an *experiment.* If it fails, it fails, no hard > feelings and no excuses. But I'm hoping it succeeds, and provides > another avenue of conviviality for the seriously sociable, and the > sociably serious. > > With all best wishes to you all, > > Jonathan > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 12:58:43 -0500   Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their names can't.   I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't have to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list .   Mack (Who will not reveal is letters)        
(back) Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:05:06 -0500   Mack:   Same here!!!   I tried to join this list but was stopped because I didn't prove my credentials enough. So, the heck with them! It brings no benefit to me whatsoever.   I just think it is pretty poor form to advertise on one list for members to another list; and then tell those same people that they are not be good enough to join. With all the degrees, obviously he never learned etiquette, or just good public relations. Why not just privately email the people he wanted to join?   Charles E. Brown Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero Beginning Dreamweaver MX Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of mack02445 Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:59 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post   Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their names   can't.   I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't have   to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list .   Mack (Who will not reveal is letters)         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:54:33 -0500   I have to take up some bandwidth to say that I agree with both Mack and Charles. I have no pretensions to being an organist, and PipeChat -L serves me very well. I don't want to join another organ list.   I certainly agree that the dilettantes should be on the proposed new list, =   - but they might not be well enough qualified!!   Being only a devotee of organs and organ music, I doubt that I have anything to contribute to a "Scholarly" list.   Bob Conway     At 01:05 PM 2/2/03 -0500, you wrote: >Mack: > >Same here!!! > >I tried to join this list but was stopped because I didn't prove my >credentials enough. So, the heck with them! It brings no benefit to me >whatsoever. > >I just think it is pretty poor form to advertise on one list for members >to another list; and then tell those same people that they are not be >good enough to join. With all the degrees, obviously he never learned >etiquette, or just good public relations. Why not just privately email >the people he wanted to join? > >Charles E. Brown >Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero > Beginning Dreamweaver MX >Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >mack02445 >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:59 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post > >Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old >addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their names > >can't. > >I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't have > >to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough >efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list . > >Mack >(Who will not reveal is letters) > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:02:23 -0500   Interestingly, someone from PipeOrg-L emailed me privately to remind me of something. Based upon his degrees, Virgil Fox would not have qualified for this list. Virgil held a BM and only an honorary doctorate.   This list assumes that a degree magically confers a certain knowledge upon you. Anyone up to watching The Wizard of Oz?   Charles   Charles E. Brown Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero Beginning Dreamweaver MX Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Bob Conway Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:55 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post   I have to take up some bandwidth to say that I agree with both Mack and Charles. I have no pretensions to being an organist, and PipeChat -L serves me very well. I don't want to join another organ list.   I certainly agree that the dilettantes should be on the proposed new list, - but they might not be well enough qualified!!   Being only a devotee of organs and organ music, I doubt that I have anything to contribute to a "Scholarly" list.   Bob Conway     At 01:05 PM 2/2/03 -0500, you wrote: >Mack: > >Same here!!! > >I tried to join this list but was stopped because I didn't prove my >credentials enough. So, the heck with them! It brings no benefit to me >whatsoever. > >I just think it is pretty poor form to advertise on one list for members >to another list; and then tell those same people that they are not be >good enough to join. With all the degrees, obviously he never learned >etiquette, or just good public relations. Why not just privately email >the people he wanted to join? > >Charles E. Brown >Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero > Beginning Dreamweaver MX >Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >mack02445 >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:59 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post > >Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old >addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their names > >can't. > >I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't have > >to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough >efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list . > >Mack >(Who will not reveal is letters) > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Sunday, Feb. 16 event ion Rochester Wurlitzer (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:28:34 -0500   We are pleased to welcome Joe Donohue for his debut performance on our Wurlitzer 4/23 on Sunday afternoon, February 16 at 2:30 PM. Joe Donohue's concert takes place in = the 2574-seat art-deco Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605.   Joe has performed extensively on theater pipe organs in the = Buffalo-Niagara Frontier area of New York. Information on the concert, driving directions to the Auditorium, Joe's's biog. info and much more can be found at: = http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ ..   Tickets at only $10 each will be available at the box office one hour = before the 2:30 PM start. We invite you to attend another outstanding = presentation of theater pipe organ entertainment.   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President)    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:07:45 -0500   On 2/2/03 11:13 AM, "MFoxy9795@aol.com" <MFoxy9795@aol.com> wrote:   > ...in the same proportion as the clergyperson reduces or eliminates = his/her > fee!!   Now, Merry, let's be nice. There are plenty of money-grubbing "Marryin' Sams" out there, for sure. But in all my years as a parish pastor I never accepted a nickel for any wedding or any funeral. When it was PRESSED on me, I'd say, "See that feller over there by the kitchen door? He's the parish treasurer. Give it to him, for the parish, for a specific cause if you wish, but just for the annual budget is fine too."   Alan (who thinks that's the way it ought to be done)    
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:10:11 -0500   On 2/2/03 12:58 PM, "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> wrote:   > Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old > addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their names > can't. > > I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't have > to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough > efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list . > > Mack > (Who will not reveal is letters) > Thank you, Mack. I'm with you.   Alan, N.A., P.O.C. [Native American, Person of Color]    
(back) Subject: RE: verses for outer space (X-posted) - suggestion From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:12:20 -0600   Will someone think to correct the spelling of the first word in the second line?   -----Original Message----- From: MusicMan [mailto:musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk]=20 Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:17 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: verses for outer space (X-posted) - suggestion   Might I suggest the following amendments ?   Lord, guard and guide *all those who fly_ Though the great spaces in the sky. Be with them always in the air, In darkening storms or sunlight fair; Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer, For those in peril in the air!   (* since the crew was mixed gender and mixed nationality)   Aloft in solitudes of space, Uphold them with Thy saving grace. Thou, who supports with tender might_ The balanced birds in all their flight; Lord, if *ill-tempered winds blow near, *Then, having Thee, they'll know no fear.   However, what an excellent suggestion; and I will certainly incorporate this hymn next Sunday - with these two verses featured by the choir. It does show the Internet in a good light when we can inform each other in so quick and convenient a manner. So much of cyber-space has fallen to the forces of pornography and slush mailing. This makes such an uplifting and refreshing change.   Harry Grove [musicman] -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: +mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; organchat <organchat@egroups.com>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 02 February 2003 00:07 Subject: verses for outer space (X-posted)     >Jim Lampert fished the following additional verses for "Eternal Father" >from the CyberHymnal and posted them on piporg-1: > >Tune: Melita       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Scholarly Organists From: "Kaiser M, Lancee T" <lankai@netrover.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:21:26 -0500   Dear List,   I normally lurk and read, with either interest or dismay, the postings. = As I near retirement, I am increasingly concerned about the attempt to = exclude people who do not have the "correct credentials." A very few people, with what is gratuitously called "correct credentials," are among those who are the self-aggrandizing, pompous and cruel practitioners of our profession. = I have read postings concerning a current Julliard student. The language used in discussing this young man is distressing and indicative of = jealousy and perceived threat. This expressed attitude is disheartening and depressing. I have found, during decades of being involved in the = ministry of music in the United States of America and Canada - please note that phrase "ministry of music" - that those who are truly fit for the more important positions are generous, kind and totally devoid of exclusivity, particularly those who possess "correct credentials." They are helpful = and considerate. They assist others beginning an often thankless profession = or avocation. Instead of being exclusive practitioners speaking ex cathedra (or from Mount Olympus, if you will), I would suggest you try to observe a modicum of humility, civility and professionalism. I trust that, since = most of us on this and other lists are at least titular Christians, you will probably receive my remarks as constructive. For those of you who do not, please examine your prejudices and arrogance.   Respectfully   Michael Kaiser, Organist and Director of Music, St. Cuthbert's Anglican Church, Toronto, Ontario, Canada