PipeChat Digest #3424 - Sunday, February 2, 2003
 
Re: Scholarly Organists
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net>
A sad day
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Cj Sambach at Valparaiso Organ
  by <Gardum@aol.com>
RE: A sad day
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Re: A sad day
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: A sad day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: A sad day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A sad day
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: A sad day
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A sad day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Scholarly Organists From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:30:37 -0500   Bingo!!   Kaiser M, Lancee T wrote:   >Dear List, > >I normally lurk and read, with either interest or dismay, the postings. = As >I near retirement, I am increasingly concerned about the attempt to = exclude >people who do not have the "correct credentials." A very few people, = with >what is gratuitously called "correct credentials," are among those who = are >the self-aggrandizing, pompous and cruel practitioners of our profession. = I >have read postings concerning a current Julliard student. The language >used in discussing this young man is distressing and indicative of = jealousy >and perceived threat. This expressed attitude is disheartening and >depressing. I have found, during decades of being involved in the = ministry >of music in the United States of America and Canada - please note that >phrase "ministry of music" - that those who are truly fit for the more >important positions are generous, kind and totally devoid of exclusivity, >particularly those who possess "correct credentials." They are helpful = and >considerate. They assist others beginning an often thankless profession = or >avocation. Instead of being exclusive practitioners speaking ex cathedra >(or from Mount Olympus, if you will), I would suggest you try to observe = a >modicum of humility, civility and professionalism. I trust that, since = most >of us on this and other lists are at least titular Christians, you will >probably receive my remarks as constructive. For those of you who do = not, >please examine your prejudices and arrogance. > >Respectfully > >Michael Kaiser, Organist and Director of Music, >St. Cuthbert's Anglican Church, Toronto, Ontario, Canada > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >   -- Jungian Type: INTJ Wireless: 201 747 4219        
(back) Subject: A sad day From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:13:20 -0500   I very much hope that no one on either of the lists to which this is addressed had an experience like mine of this morning. I played the organ for the morning worship service, as I always do on Sundays. During the entire service, lasting nearly 1.5 hours, *not one single word* was = uttered concerning Saturday's space shuttle tragedy, and not one prayer was = offered for the repose of the souls of the seven astronauts lost in the explosion. As the service progressed, I grew increasingly more incredulous, and as I left the church, I was shaking my head in disbelief. It's almost enough = to make one ashamed to be either an American or a Christian. What's the = matter with people nowadays? Or is it just me?    
(back) Subject: Cj Sambach at Valparaiso Organ From: <Gardum@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:25:12 EST     --part1_1e5.ecefe9.2b6f1ef8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The recital Monday, Feb 3 is 7:30pm Central Time. The Chapel of the Resurrection is clearly visible on the north side of US = 30, east side of town.   --part1_1e5.ecefe9.2b6f1ef8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>The recital Monday, Feb = 3 is 7:30pm Central Time. <BR>The Chapel of the Resurrection is clearly visible on the north side of = US 30, &nbsp;east side of town.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e5.ecefe9.2b6f1ef8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: A sad day From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:32:19 -0500   The local Catholic Church only made the briefest of mentions during the prayer of the faithful   I agree with David here. I have also heard of other churches not mentioning anything. I think it is horrible.   Charles E. Brown Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero Beginning Dreamweaver MX Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of V. David Barton Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 8:13 PM To: PipeChat; Anglican Music List Subject: A sad day   I very much hope that no one on either of the lists to which this is addressed had an experience like mine of this morning. I played the organ for the morning worship service, as I always do on Sundays. During the entire service, lasting nearly 1.5 hours, *not one single word* was uttered concerning Saturday's space shuttle tragedy, and not one prayer was offered for the repose of the souls of the seven astronauts lost in the explosion. As the service progressed, I grew increasingly more incredulous, and as I left the church, I was shaking my head in disbelief. It's almost enough to make one ashamed to be either an American or a Christian. What's the matter with people nowadays? Or is it just me?     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:54:56 -0500   There was only a prayer this morning about the crash. This morning, = despite all of the comforting and positive messages that could have come out of = the mention of the crash, our pastor decided that we're going to only focus on the gospel. I forced the tragedy into the service by having one of our choirs sing the Navy Hymn, with words tailored for "air" and "space". We sang it during communion and there was not one dry eye in the house.   Jim Clouser BM candidate, Cleveland Institute of Music Music Director/Organist Reformation Evangelical Lutheran Church Eastlake, Ohio   ----- Original Message ----- From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; "Anglican Music List" <anglican-music@list.stsams.org> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: A sad day     > I very much hope that no one on either of the lists to which this is > addressed had an experience like mine of this morning. I played the = organ > for the morning worship service, as I always do on Sundays. During the > entire service, lasting nearly 1.5 hours, *not one single word* was uttered > concerning Saturday's space shuttle tragedy, and not one prayer was offered > for the repose of the souls of the seven astronauts lost in the = explosion. > As the service progressed, I grew increasingly more incredulous, and as = I > left the church, I was shaking my head in disbelief. It's almost enough to > make one ashamed to be either an American or a Christian. What's the matter > with people nowadays? Or is it just me? > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 21:03:22 -0500   Alan,   I'm awfully glad you gave up your fee. Did many of your clergy colleagues = do the same? I am sure you have had organists who would join you in = giving up their fee for needy couples, since you have set a good example. =     I can be nice too, but let's also be fair. Most clergy people receive an = income that is enough to live on in the form of salary, housing, etc. = Most organists do not, and they count on the income from weddings and = funerals (i will not say "extra" income, as it is not extra) to come at = least a little closer to something they could hope to live off of.   Merry   In a message dated 2/2/2003 3:07:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, = acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   > > > On 2/2/03 11:13 AM, "MFoxy9795@aol.com" <MFoxy9795@aol.com> wrote: > > > ...in the same proportion as the clergyperson reduces or eliminates = his/her > > fee!! > > Now, Merry, let's be nice. There are plenty of money-grubbing "Marryin' > Sams" out there, for sure. But in all my years as a parish pastor I = never > accepted a nickel for any wedding or any funeral. When it was PRESSED = on > me, I'd say, "See that feller over there by the kitchen door? He's the > parish treasurer. Give it to him, for the parish, for a > specific cause if > you wish, but just for the annual budget is fine too." > > Alan (who thinks that's the way it ought to be done)  
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:07:45 -0600   Well said Mack. From my perspective, I already spend too much time = dealing with "snobbery" and elitism within the ranks of my local AGO Chapter. I have no desire to become a member of such a List. Being a professional organist, I much prefer the real world.   Cheers,   Tim (Who previously stated his "Letters" relevant to another thread with some degree of discomfort and won't bore everyone with repetition of same)   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post     > On 2/2/03 12:58 PM, "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old > > addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their = names > > can't. > > > > I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't = have > > to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough > > efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list . > > > > Mack > > (Who will not reveal is letters) > > > Thank you, Mack. I'm with you. > > Alan, N.A., P.O.C. > [Native American, Person of Color] > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 21:14:21 -0500   On 2/2/03 8:13 PM, "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> wrote:   > I very much hope that no one on either of the lists to which this is > addressed had an experience like mine of this morning. I played the = organ > for the morning worship service, as I always do on Sundays. During the > entire service, lasting nearly 1.5 hours, *not one single word* was = uttered > concerning Saturday's space shuttle tragedy, and not one prayer was = offered   Snip   I certainly share your dismay. It's hard to believe that there are more than a few dozen congregations in the whole country that did NOT sing "Eternal Father, Song to Save" with special stanzas published on the Internet yesterday, to tailor the text to the occasion. Are people = utterly brainless, or lacking in e-mail, faxes, xerox machines, and EVERYTHING? Even a mimeograph? I remember dealing with JFK's assassination on an ABDick, in a town with a population of 64, in North Dakota, but we HAD the service, that very night, for Pete's sake! Prepare prayers; select readings; print bulletins: ring bell: that's all it takes (out there).   I'm certainly not in favor of a service in which, because the Secretary of Labor got a hangnail, we go nuts over this momentous event. But for the = love of Mike, this was a LITTLE bigger than THAT.   Yes, it was not only a big festival day, but a DOUBLE-BARRELLED festival day: the Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary AND the Presentation of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Temple. And those events were celebrated almost WILDLY by us, with processions, candles beyond counting, and much more. But there was still PLENTY of room left for what YOU missed this morning. So it took 1.5 hours; big DEAL!   Proc: Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin BWV616 ("In Peace and Joy I Now Depart" is is a metrical version of Nunc dimittis by Luther; tune is also = by Luther; it was our Hymn of the Day. Rec: Herr Gott, nun schleuss den Himmel auf BWV617, which was decent in a quiet sort of way.   But much more; maybe I can post tomorrow.   Alan (trying to remember what parish you're in, but not a big deal)    
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 21:30:36 -0500   On 2/2/03 8:54 PM, "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> wrote:   > I forced the tragedy into the service by having one of our > choirs sing the Navy Hymn, with words tailored for "air" and "space". = We > sang it during communion and there was not one dry eye in the house.   Same here, but done with Pastor's total approbation and cooperation. Your pastor is billed as a "Lutheran pastor," I believe; he totally failed to = be either that or a catholic clergyman, which every Lutheran pastor is = supposed to BE!   Bless you, Jim. Bless you again, Jim. Bless you yet again, Jim.   I find such ignorance/incompetence utterly incredible/incomprehensible.   Thank you!   Alan Freed (Parish Administrator and Sacristan, retired from both) Saint Luke's ELCA, Manhattan Please check www.stlukesnyc.org   You'll understand us better.      
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:44:04 EST     --part1_1d5.1757199.2b6f3174_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/2/03 11:13:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes:     > ...in the same proportion as the clergyperson reduces or eliminates = his/her > fee!! LOL >   To quote our UK friends..... "not BLOODY likely!" heeheehee   I have never worked for a clergyperson who admitted to having a "fee" for weddings or funerals. It was always considered part of their pastoral = care.   I recall in a previous position a priest from another parish (RC) in a = visit with our priest asked what my fee was for weddings and funerals. After = he was told that I received $150 he told our priest that his organist (who = was actually a keyboarder) received only $50. And what was the result of = this time of sharing??? My fees were reduced to $75. The "keyboarder's" = fee remained the same since he did not play an organ. (sigh)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1d5.1757199.2b6f3174_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/2/03 11:13:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, MFoxy9795@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">...in the same = proportion as the clergyperson reduces or eliminates his/her fee!! = &nbsp;LOL <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>To quote our UK friends..... &nbsp;"not BLOODY likely!" = &nbsp;&nbsp;heeheehee &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I have never worked for a clergyperson who admitted to having a "fee" = for weddings or funerals. &nbsp;It was always considered part of their = pastoral care. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I recall in a previous position a priest from another parish (RC) in a = visit with our priest asked what my fee was for weddings and funerals. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;After he was told that I received $150 he told our = priest that his organist (who was actually a keyboarder) received only = $50. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And what was the result of this time of = sharing??? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My fees were reduced to $75. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The "keyboarder's" fee remained the same since he did = not play an organ. &nbsp;(sigh) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1d5.1757199.2b6f3174_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:45:33 -0600   If the anti-American Nelson Mandela had died there would have been eulogy after eulogy after eulogy. It seems that churches today are only = interested in social issues. Requiescat in pace. BAF II      
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:51:04 EST     --part1_18e.15e035ff.2b6f3318_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Our church did not even mention the tragedy. I gave the words sent in an email to the Music Director, but he brushed me off and went on to rehearse =   what was already planned.   Now, in Grady County, in which Chickasha is located, there are only 2 = Baptist churches using organs at the present. If I were younger I would move = east. But I am leaving it up to God to keep me, or send me where He wants me to serve. I plan to go to a Marilyn Keiser Workshop in Okla. City this = weekend. The Kent Tritle recital Tuesday night was wonderful. Lee   --part1_18e.15e035ff.2b6f3318_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#400040" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Our church did not even = mention the tragedy.&nbsp; I gave the words sent in an email to the Music = Director, but he brushed me off and went on to rehearse what was already = planned.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Now, in Grady County, in which Chickasha is located, there are only 2 = Baptist churches using organs at the present.&nbsp; If I were younger I = would move east.&nbsp; But I am leaving it up to God to keep me, or send = me where He wants me to serve. I plan to go to a Marilyn Keiser Workshop = in Okla. City this weekend.&nbsp; The Kent Tritle recital Tuesday night = was wonderful.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18e.15e035ff.2b6f3318_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:04:13 -0500   On 2/2/03 9:03 PM, "MFoxy9795@aol.com" <MFoxy9795@aol.com> wrote:   > I'm awfully glad you gave up your fee.   I didn't "give it up." I simply refused it. I didn't HAVE a fee to "give up." I don't sell church rites. Look up "simony" in your Bible = dictionary. Actually, I think it's in ANY dictionary.   > Did many of your clergy colleagues do the same?   Ah, very good question. I'm afraid not very many did. Some, for sure. = But not anywhere near what it should be/have been. I think/hope it's been getting better. There were a fair number of my idealist classmates who = felt the same back in the 60s and 70s; I hope their number has increased, but cannot say for sure.   I find accepting money from individuals or families for the Church's services disgusting and reprehensible in the EXTREME. See "simony" = again.   > I am sure you have had organists who would join you in giving up > their fee for needy couples, since you have set a good example.   Unquestionably. VERY unquestionably. For "needy couples" the question would not even come up. For others, well, I suspect they'd kind of hope for a little envelope on the bench. Which would certainly be appropriate. (And would happen.) I should tell you that my parishes were not large, = our organs not large either, and the community demographic not swollen with $$$$$. But even in a poor parish, I think the parish should pay the organist, appropriately (meaning appropriately), for his/her services. If the congregation* is having a wedding, or a funeral, and it wants the = organ to be played, it (the PARISH) should compensate a person to DO what's wanted.   *I insist strongly that the congregation/parish is having the wedding or = the funeral. It is NOT the biofamily that is having this event; it is the congregatin/parish that is HAVING it (and should pay for it); argument welcome; I feel VERY strongly about this. > > I can be nice too, but let's also be fair. Most clergy people receive = an > income that is enough to live on in the form of salary, housing, etc. = Most > organists do not, and they count on the income from weddings and = funerals (i > will not say "extra" income, as it is not extra) to come at least a = little > closer to something they could hope to live off of.   I hear ya, Merry. And I think you're quite right. And I'd like "fair" to be the LOWEST possibility to occur. In the past ten years (in my present parish, as parish administrator and sacristan) I've LOVED our music = people, and always voted for increases in their salary package--beyond what was perfunctorily proposed by the "Budget Committee." And if it's not on the list of proposals, I bring it up myself! (I do the same for the janitor people.) These people are often VERY overlooked. In the past two years we've got our music and janitorial people on pension plans and major = medical as well, all paid for by the congregation. Maybe better days are coming!! We can hope!   Alan        
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 22:13:42 EST     --part1_94.33a6547f.2b6f3866_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/2/03 10:04:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:     > But even in a poor parish, I think the parish should pay the > organist, appropriately (meaning appropriately), for his/her services. = If > the congregation* is having a wedding, or a funeral, and it wants the = organ > to be played, it (the PARISH) should compensate a person to DO what's > wanted. >   I have always tried at budget time to get my parishes to eliminate the collection of organist's wedding and funeral fees from families within the =   parish by suggesting that an estimate be made for the number of weddings/funerals and that amount being added to the budget of my salary. = When I played for a wedding or funeral, my fee would come, as part of my salary, from the budget. At the end of the year, whatever was not used = could be rolled-over to the next year in case there was more demand than = estimated. So far, though..... no takers!     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_94.33a6547f.2b6f3866_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/2/03 10:04:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> But even in a = poor parish, I think the parish should pay the <BR>organist, appropriately (meaning appropriately), for his/her services. = &nbsp;If <BR>the congregation* is having a wedding, or a funeral, and it wants the = organ <BR>to be played, it (the PARISH) should compensate a person to DO what's <BR>wanted. &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I have always tried at budget time to get my parishes to eliminate the = collection of organist's wedding and funeral fees from families within the = parish by suggesting that an estimate be made for the number of = weddings/funerals and that amount being added to the budget of my salary. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I played for a wedding or funeral, my fee would = come, as part of my salary, from the budget. &nbsp;At the end of the year, = whatever was not used could be rolled-over to the next year in case there = was more demand than estimated. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So far, though..... no = takers! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_94.33a6547f.2b6f3866_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:37:32 -0500   On 2/2/03 9:45 PM, "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> wrote:   > If the anti-American Nelson Mandela had died there would have been = eulogy > after eulogy after eulogy. It seems that churches today are only = interested > in social issues.   NOT at Saint Luke's in Manhattan! And I think not at very many ELCA parishes in Manhattan or anywhere else in North America.   (If I'm wrong, please don't tell me about it. I can't STAND it!).   Alan (but this is getting a bit political, so maybe we should drop it)