PipeChat Digest #3425 - Monday, February 3, 2003
 
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: A Sad Day
  by "John Jarvis" <jjarvis@attbi.com>
RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Dr. Hall's List
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: A Sad Day
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:46:03 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3127074363_4142059 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 2/2/03 10:13 PM, "Cremona502@cs.com" <Cremona502@cs.com> wrote:   > I have always tried at budget time to get my parishes to eliminate the > collection of organist's wedding and funeral fees from families within = th=3D e > parish by suggesting that an estimate be made for the number of > weddings/funerals and that amount being added to the budget of my = salary. > When I played for a wedding or funeral, my fee would come, as part of my > salary, from the budget. At the end of the year, whatever was not used = c=3D ould > be rolled-over to the next year in case there was more demand than = estima=3D ted. > So far, though..... no takers! >=3D20 >=3D20 Bruce, you are so right. Don=3DB9t worry about the pennies, but don=3DB9t = shortcut the music people, either. It=3DB9s just the way it should BE.   Now, for weddings and funerals of NON-parishioners, maybe that=3DB9s = another subject, but perhaps well outside the scope of this list. And I=3DB9ll be = the nastiest person you ever heard from on THAT subject.   Alan   --B_3127074363_4142059 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 2/2/03 10:13 PM, = &quot;Cremona502@cs.com&qu=3D ot; &lt;Cremona502@cs.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I have always tried at budget = time to=3D get my parishes to eliminate the collection of organist's wedding and = funer=3D al fees from families within the parish by suggesting that an estimate be = ma=3D de for the number of weddings/funerals and that amount being added to the = bu=3D dget of my salary. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I played for a wedding or = funeral,=3D my fee would come, as part of my salary, from the budget. &nbsp;At the = end =3D of the year, whatever was not used could be rolled-over to the next year = in =3D case there was more demand than estimated. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So far, = though.=3D ..... no takers! <BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"><BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Bruce, you are so right. = &nbsp;Don&#821=3D 7;t worry about the pennies, but don&#8217;t shortcut the music people, = eith=3D er. It&#8217;s just the way it should BE. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Now, for weddings and funerals of NON-parishioners, maybe that&#8217;s = anot=3D her subject, but perhaps well outside the scope of this list. &nbsp;And = I&#8=3D 217;ll be the nastiest person you ever heard from on THAT subject.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3127074363_4142059--    
(back) Subject: Re: A Sad Day From: "John Jarvis" <jjarvis@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:38:18 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C2CB03.66A98000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The church that I play for did not mention the Space Shuttle at all. Like David, I was bothered by this lack of patriotism. I quickly changed my planned Postlude to the Hymn "God of Our Fathers" played in a very slow tempo with loud trumpets. Several people came up to me after the service and thanked me for reminding them that God is still in control of our Nation.     Let's keep our prayers going for the team that remains on the Space Station; they may be there for a while longer than planned. Ken Bowersox in the current Commander of the Space Station and is a childhood friend of mine.   JJ     ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C2CB03.66A98000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>The church that I play for did not mention the Space = =3D Shuttle at all. &nbsp;Like David, I was bothered by this lack of =3D patriotism.&nbsp; I quickly changed my planned Postlude to the Hymn &nbsp;&#8220;God of Our = =3D Fathers&#8221;&nbsp; played in a very slow tempo with loud trumpets. &nbsp;Several people =3D came up to me after the service and thanked me for reminding them that God is still = =3D in control of our Nation.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Let&#8217;s keep our prayers going for the team that = =3D remains on the Space Station; they may be there for a while longer than planned. = =3D Ken Bowersox in the current Commander of the Space Station and is a childhood friend = =3D of mine.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>JJ</span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C2CB03.66A98000--    
(back) Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:51:02 -0800 (PST)   --0-1413707856-1044251462=3D:51162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> wrote: Interestingly, someone from PipeOrg-L emailed me privately to remind me of something. Based upon his degrees, Virgil Fox would not have qualified for this list. Virgil held a BM and only an honorary doctorate.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   Um... May I ask a question?   It was my understanding that Virgil held the Artist's Diploma from Peabody = Conservatory of Music in Baltimore, Md. (Now part of The Johns Hopkins = University). It was also my understanding that this diploma was higher = than a BMus., and possibly higher than a MMus. Am I correct?   And where was Virgil's honorary doctorate from? A sincere, inquiring mind = would like to know...   Best wishes to all...   Morton Belcher   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     This list assumes that a degree magically confers a certain knowledge upon you. Anyone up to watching The Wizard of Oz?   Charles   Charles E. Brown Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero Beginning Dreamweaver MX Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Bob Conway Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:55 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post   I have to take up some bandwidth to say that I agree with both Mack and Charles. I have no pretensions to being an organist, and PipeChat -L serves me very well. I don't want to join another organ list.   I certainly agree that the dilettantes should be on the proposed new list, - but they might not be well enough qualified!!   Being only a devotee of organs and organ music, I doubt that I have anything to contribute to a "Scholarly" list.   Bob Conway     At 01:05 PM 2/2/03 -0500, you wrote: >Mack: > >Same here!!! > >I tried to join this list but was stopped because I didn't prove my >credentials enough. So, the heck with them! It brings no benefit to me >whatsoever. > >I just think it is pretty poor form to advertise on one list for members >to another list; and then tell those same people that they are not be >good enough to join. With all the degrees, obviously he never learned >etiquette, or just good public relations. Why not just privately email >the people he wanted to join? > >Charles E. Brown >Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero > Beginning Dreamweaver MX >Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >mack02445 >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:59 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post > >Well here I go again, boy oh boy another snob list. Remember the old >addage those that can do, those bragging about letters after their names > >can't. > >I have to admit I have a few of those after my name too but I don't have > >to advertise it I prove my skills by DOING. There is more than enough >efetism in this field now. Make sure you add dilletants to the list . > >Mack >(Who will not reveal is letters) > >         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1413707856-1044251462=3D:51162 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>"Charles E. Brown" = &lt;chabrown@bellatlantic.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid"> <P>Interestingly, someone from PipeOrg-L emailed me privately to remind = me<BR>of something. Based upon his degrees, Virgil Fox would not = have<BR>qualified for this list. Virgil held a BM and only an = honorary<BR>doctorate.</P> <P>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</P> <P>Um...&nbsp; May I ask a question?</P> <P>It was my understanding that Virgil held the Artist's Diploma from = Peabody Conservatory of Music in Baltimore, Md. (Now part of The Johns = Hopkins University).&nbsp; It was also my understanding that this diploma was higher than a BMus., and possibly = higher than a MMus.&nbsp; Am I correct?&nbsp; </P> <P>And where was Virgil's honorary doctorate from?&nbsp; A sincere, = inquiring mind would like to know...</P> <P>Best wishes to all...</P> <P>Morton Belcher</P> <P>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</P> <P><BR>This list assumes that a degree magically confers a certain = knowledge<BR>upon you. Anyone up to watching The Wizard of = Oz?<BR><BR>Charles<BR><BR>Charles E. Brown<BR>Author - Fireworks MX From = Zero to Hero<BR>Beginning Dreamweaver MX<BR>Contributor - The Macromedia = Studio MX Bible<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: = pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of<BR>Bob = Conway<BR>Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:55 PM<BR>To: = PipeChat<BR>Subject: RE: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group = x-post<BR><BR>I have to take up some bandwidth to say that I agree with = both Mack and <BR>Charles. I have no pretensions to being an organist, and = PipeChat -L <BR>serves me very well. I don't want to join another organ = list.<BR><BR>I certainly agree that the dilettantes should be on the = proposed new<BR>list, <BR>- but they might not be well enough = qualified!!<BR><BR>Being only a devotee of organs and organ music, I doubt = that I have <BR>anything to contribute to a "Sch <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http://mailplus.yahoo.com">Yahoo!= Mail Plus</a> - Powerful. 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(back) Subject: Dr. Hall's List From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:31:04 -0500   I have read the recent fireworks generated by Dr. Hall's new List announcement with growing consternation. From the perspective of one who is specifically excluded from qualification, perhaps I enjoy a point of view that is somewhat less insulted by Jonathan's wish to form this splinter group where he might feel more comfortable and speak more freely.   In his original announcement, Jonathan speaks of the AI Lounge at IU Bloomington, where he enjoyed the same sort of atmosphere he seeks through the formation of his new group. Certainly we can see the necessity for such a place of refuge, where those involved in the day to day activities of a higher learning environment can go to let their hair down, and speak freely in a way not permitted by the rigorous standards of institutional conduct. I'm sure that Jonathan would not have mentioned the AI Lounge unless he wished us a clearer understanding of his motives for forming the new List.   Another point that seems to have been skimmed right over in all of this impassioned response is that Dr. Hall is not resigning from the present Lists, nor is he asking his prospective members to do so either. Whereas the Scholarly List might be a pleasant distraction for those involved, I can't imagine them finding it a substitute for the mainstream of pipe organ community that is Piporg-L and Pipechat.   I also feel that a symposium of those who have expertise through higher learning might be quite beneficial to the pipe organ community. Certainly the results and ideas formed through the concentrated collusion of such experts will be ultimately shared with the general organ community, to everyone's benefit.   So, rather than continuing to wallow in the mud puddle of recrimination and injured feelings that is the seemed reaction to Jonathan's new List, I suggest we serve up a bit more good Christian support for his new endeavor and wish him well. At the very least, we might stop misunderstanding his motives, and simply let him do his thing without all the unpleasant baggage of derogatory remarks.   Respectfully Submitted Michael Gettelman    
(back) Subject: Re: A Sad Day From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 01:55:29 -0600   At 09:38 PM 2/2/2003 -0800, JJ wrote:   >Let s keep our prayers going for the team that remains on the Space >Station; they may be there for a while longer than planned. Ken Bowersox >in the current Commander of the Space Station and is a childhood friend = of >mine.     I was wondering how long it would be until someone in our midst reported a =   personal connection to this tragedy. I didn't figure we'd have to wait = too long.   It is unsettling to hear reports of churches which did not honor the catastrophic loss of 7 Astronauts with even the slightest mention in their =   normal services the day afterward...   This evening's (Sun.) NBC Nightly News broadcast contained a good portion of footage of many people across the land (and around the world), who did pay tribute to the lost Astronauts, in some form or other. NBC also reported that there will be a National Memorial Service this coming = Tuesday.   May we hope that the reports made here of the "oblivious" church services are in fact the minority??   Tim