PipeChat Digest #3426 - Monday, February 3, 2003
 
Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post
  by "Steven Frank" <steve@virgilfox.com>
my post of Sunday, 2 February
  by "Kaiser M, Lancee T" <lankai@netrover.com>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Thanks for the Hymn. We Did Sing It.
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: A sad day
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A Sad Day
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: my post of Sunday, 2 February
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
OFF-TOPIC: theology of death and funerals
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: A sad day
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
That Mean Old Scholar Again
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com>
Re: A sad day
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Introducing The Scholarly Organist Group x-post From: "Steven Frank" <steve@virgilfox.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 07:07:43 -0500   on 2/3/03 12:51 AM, littlebayus@yahoo.com wrote:   > And where was Virgil's honorary doctorate from? A sincere, inquiring = mind > would like to know...   Bucknell University.   Steven Frank      
(back) Subject: my post of Sunday, 2 February From: "Kaiser M, Lancee T" <lankai@netrover.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:36:14 -0500   I should like to offer an apology for something in my post yesterday. I inadvertently misspelled the name Juilliard.   Michael Kaiser    
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:20:04 EST     --part1_176.15bd3c4f.2b6fc684_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Music people in this area of the woods are not thought of as staff of the church, they are "frills." They want a full music program, bur are not willing to pay for it. The pianist and I both have performance degrees = and graduate degrees in more than music (Special Education, Music Education, Musicologist, Psychology, Business Management, etc.) But most of the = church thinks "we don't pay the Sunday School Teachers, why should we pay the accompanists?" I do get a small salary, but to be on the pension plan or insurance, forget it. Most of the churches are going to Praise and = Worship bands anyway, and they don't get paid. When (seldom) I do play for a wedding, the family usually gives me a token payment or a gift. For funerals, the funeral home pays me. I won't take money from the family. = (I know, it is part of the package paid to the funeral home, so they do pay = for it). Most weddings around here use taped music or guitar, and many are outside. We have a beautiful park with a covered bridge and brides seem = to like that. I am not bitter about the salary, as God provides for my = needs. As I am in the "system" as my salary goes up, my rent does too, and my = state medical benefits go down. Ah, the woes of getting old. But, I am happy doing what I do. I have the time to do music as much as I want to, and I = am training my dog to be a therapy dog to accompany me to nursing homes, day cares, etc, where I play. If I want a better church position I would have = to move to a large city, so it is my decision to stay here for now. My days = of retirement are around the corner, anyway. It's been a wonderful journey = as a church organist and I will play as long as I can sit on the bench. I know = I am rambling, so I will stop. Praise God, He called me to be a Church Organist. Lee   --part1_176.15bd3c4f.2b6fc684_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#400040" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Music people in this area = of the woods are not thought of as staff of the church, they are = "frills."&nbsp; They want a full music program, bur are not willing to pay = for it.&nbsp; The pianist and I both have performance degrees and graduate = degrees in more than music (Special Education, Music Education, = Musicologist, Psychology, Business Management, etc.) But most of the = church thinks "we don't pay the Sunday School Teachers, why should we pay = the accompanists?"&nbsp; I do get a small salary, but to be on the pension = plan or insurance, forget it.&nbsp; Most of the churches are going to = Praise and Worship bands anyway, and they don't get paid.&nbsp; When = (seldom) I do play for a wedding, the family usually gives me a token = payment or a gift.&nbsp; For funerals, the funeral home pays me. I won't = take money from the family.&nbsp; (I know, it is part of the package paid = to the funeral ho   --part1_176.15bd3c4f.2b6fc684_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Thanks for the Hymn. We Did Sing It. From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:41:10 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:55 AM Subject: Re: A Sad Day       > It is unsettling to hear reports of churches which did not honor the > catastrophic loss of 7 Astronauts with even the slightest mention in = their > normal services the day afterward... > > May we hope that the reports made here of the "oblivious" church = services > are in fact the minority?? > > Tim >   Indeed. Is it any wonder that for some in our society, the church is essentially irrelevant. I thank James Lambert and Bud Clark for getting = out to this list and to PipOrg-L the text: "Lord, guard and guide the men who fly." I e-mailed it to the Rector on Saturday as soon as I saw it. The tragedy would have been (and was) the subject of special prayers added to the morning liturgy, but somehow, singing that hymn was a most important observance to everyone. One of our choir sopranos has a young son in the Navy, ready to be shipped out to God knows where, so the long association = of "Melita," with its usual words, "Eternal Father, strong to save, whose arm hath bound the restless wave," the Navy hymn, really added a extra = intensity to the observance.   Thanks James and Bud, and thank you to Pipechat and PipOrg-L for passing = on this hymn, which was, perhaps, used by the churches served by some on = these lists.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com          
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:28:03 EST     --part1_104.26593f38.2b7000a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/2/03 10:52:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:     > But I am leaving it up to God to keep me, or send me where He wants me = to > serve.   Perhaps God has something much better waiting for you elsewhere and is = simply hoping that you will see the error of their ways, use the freedom of = choice which He so generously gave you, and get the heck out of Dodge!! ;-)   Surely you know that God has a great plan for you and does not want you to =   suffer. You need to be willing to step out in faith.   I say: Pack up 'n GIT! ;-)   In my life some of my greatest blessing has come as a result of stepping = out into the unknown.     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_104.26593f38.2b7000a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/2/03=3D 10:52:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But I am = leavin=3D g it up to God to keep me, or send me where He wants me to = serve.</FONT><FON=3D T COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"=3D ></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Perhaps God has something much better waiting for you elsewhere and is = s=3D imply hoping that you will see the error of their ways, use the freedom of = c=3D hoice which He so generously gave you, and get the heck out of Dodge!! = &nbsp=3D ;;-) <BR> <BR>Surely you know that God has a great plan for you and does not want = you=3D20=3D to suffer. &nbsp;&nbsp;You need to be willing to step out in faith. <BR> <BR>I say: &nbsp;&nbsp;Pack up 'n GIT! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>In my life some of my greatest blessing has come as a result of = stepping=3D out into the unknown. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_104.26593f38.2b7000a3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Weddings, Organists, or lack of! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:44:43 EST     --part1_1d8.1816365.2b70048b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 2/2/03 11:51:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:     > Now, for weddings and funerals of NON-parishioners, maybe = that=3DE2=3D80=3D99s a=3D nother=3D20 > subject, but perhaps well outside the scope of this list. And = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99l=3D l be the=3D20 > nastiest person you ever heard from on THAT subject.   >=3D20   With regard to non-parish weddings and funerals, I leave that to the = clergy,=3D =3D20 but again, not being one to nickel-n-dime people, I think the church = should=3D20 charge ONE fee which includes everyone involved EQUALLY. If there is = a=3D20 priest, secretary, altar guild, organist, sexton, and hostess involved, = then=3D =3D20 a fee of $1200 ($200/each) would not be unreasonable, and adding another = $30=3D 0=3D20 for utilities would bring it to only $1500 which is certainly within = reason=3D20 for a comparable event at a hotel or country club, or funeral parlour. = =3D20 Although, I don't think that funerals would likely fall into this = category.=3D20=3D =3D20 I've never played a non-parishioner-related funeral. That's just = not=3D20 something that people tend to "drop-in" for!   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20     --part1_1d8.1816365.2b70048b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 2/2/03 11:51:02 PM Eastern = Standard=3D Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Times=3D20=3D New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff=3D20=3D 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now, = for=3D20=3D weddings and funerals of NON-parishioners, maybe that=3DE2=3D80=3D99s = another subj=3D ect, but perhaps well outside the scope of this list. &nbsp;And = I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ll=3D be the nastiest person you ever heard from on THAT = subject.<BR></FONT><FONT=3D COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>With regard to non-parish weddings and funerals, I leave that to the = cle=3D rgy, but again, not being one to nickel-n-dime people, I think the church = sh=3D ould charge ONE fee which includes everyone involved EQUALLY. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&n=3D bsp;If there is a priest, secretary, altar guild, organist, sexton, and = host=3D ess involved, then a fee of $1200 ($200/each) would not be unreasonable, = and=3D adding another $300 for utilities would bring it to only $1500 which is = cer=3D tainly within reason for a comparable event at a hotel or country club, or = f=3D uneral parlour. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Although, I don't think that = funeral=3D s would likely fall into this category. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've never played a = non-=3D parishioner-related funeral. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's just not something = tha=3D t people tend to "drop-in" for! <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1d8.1816365.2b70048b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A Sad Day From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:08:26 EST     --part1_2f.3450e60a.2b700a1a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 2/3/03 12:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 jjarvis@attbi.com writes:     > I quickly changed my planned Postlude to the Hymn =3DE2=3D80=3D9CGod = of Our Fa=3D thers=3DE2=3D80=3D9D =3D20 > played in a very slow tempo with loud trumpets. =3D20   Just curious..... why "very slow tempo" ? If a very slow tempo, why = not=3D20 "soft trumpets" ?=3D20   One of the most frequent comments I get after funerals is people thanking = me=3D =3D20 for keeping the music from being "slow and sad and mournful." Almost = all=3D20 others, save the funeral directors, have realized that death is not a = tragic=3D =3D20 and sad end for the deceased, but a triumphant beginning and entrance = into=3D20 new life. Even people giving eulogies have realized this an come forward = t=3D o=3D20 recount the accomplishments and joy for which the deceased is responsible. = =3D20=3D =3D20 Granted, those of us who are still waiting our turn are saddened that a = love=3D d=3D20 one will no longer be physically with us, but it is not really productive = to=3D =3D20 wallow in grief.   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20     --part1_2f.3450e60a.2b700a1a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/3/03=3D 12:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, jjarvis@attbi.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> I quickly changed my = plann=3D ed Postlude to the Hymn &nbsp;=3DE2=3D80=3D9CGod of Our = Fathers=3DE2=3D80=3D9D &nbsp;pla=3D yed in a very slow tempo with loud trumpets. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0=3D 00000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Just curious..... why "very slow tempo" ? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If a very = sl=3D ow tempo, why not "soft trumpets" &nbsp;&nbsp;?=3D20 <BR> <BR>One of the most frequent comments I get after funerals is people = thankin=3D g me for keeping the music from being "slow and sad and mournful." = &nbsp;&nb=3D sp;Almost all others, save the funeral directors, have realized that death = i=3D s not a tragic and sad end for the deceased, but a triumphant beginning = and=3D20=3D entrance into new life. &nbsp;&nbsp;Even people giving eulogies have = realize=3D d this an come forward to recount the accomplishments and joy for which = the=3D20=3D deceased is responsible. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Granted, those of us who are = stil=3D l waiting our turn are saddened that a loved one will no longer be = physicall=3D y with us, but it is not really productive to wallow in grief. <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_2f.3450e60a.2b700a1a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: my post of Sunday, 2 February From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:13:43 EST     --part1_151.1b438980.2b700b57_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/3/03 7:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, lankai@netrover.com writes:     > I should like to offer an apology for something in my post yesterday. I > inadvertently misspelled the name Juilliard. >   For shame! You must now go to the Archives and sit until you can spell properly!!   ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_151.1b438980.2b700b57_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/3/03 7:38:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, lankai@netrover.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I should like to = offer an apology for something in my post yesterday. &nbsp;I <BR>inadvertently misspelled the name Juilliard. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>For shame! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You must now go to the Archives and sit = until you can spell properly!! <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_151.1b438980.2b700b57_boundary--  
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC: theology of death and funerals From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 10:30:28 -0800   In a message dated 2/3/03 12:39:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, jjarvis@attbi.com writes:=20   I quickly changed my planned Postlude to the Hymn =E2=80=9CGod of Our Fathers=E2=80=9D played in a very slow tempo with loud trumpets. =20   Just curious..... why "very slow tempo" ? If a very slow tempo, why not "soft trumpets" ?=20   One of the most frequent comments I get after funerals is people thanking me for keeping the music from being "slow and sad and mournful." Almost all others, save the funeral directors, have realized that death is not a tragic and sad end for the deceased, but a triumphant beginning and entrance into new life. Even people giving eulogies have realized this an come forward to recount the accomplishments and joy for which the deceased is responsible. Granted, those of us who are still waiting our turn are saddened that a loved one will no longer be physically with us, but it is not really productive to wallow in grief.=20   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502       Hmmm ... I don't know how to say this without igniting a fire-storm, so I'll just say it: not everyone who dies will see the Beatific Vision. Those who die in their sins, rejecting God, will not. Scripture tells us that. The accomplishments and good deeds of the deceased will not get him/her into heaven. They may be a MARKER, certainly, but salvation is by faith ALONE.   According to orthodox Anglican theology, the dead are in Paradise or the Church Expectant, awaiting the Last Day and the final General Judgment.   As far as the LITURGY is concerned, there needs to be a balance between the natural human need to mourn (which in NO way negates the Christian Hope) and Christ's promise of resurrection to the faithful.   In the past, the funeral liturgy WAS rather heavy on grief and judgment .... Dies irae, Domine Jesu Christe, Libera me, etc. But even in the old liturgy, those were balanced by Lux aeterna and In Paradisum and Ego sum resurrectionem.=20   We no longer sing Dies irae ... we substitute "The Strife Is O'er"; we sing Justorum animae at the Offertory instead of Domine Jesu Christe ... and we sing the Responsory version of Ego sum resurrectionem at the Absolutions, rather than Libera me.   BUT, the focus of the liturgy is on the Church's teaching concerning the resurrection of the dead, rather than the accomplishments of the deceased.   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: A sad day From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:49:21 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2CBB4.F69ECFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   But we need Lee in Oklahoma....   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]=3D20 Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:28 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: A sad day   =3D20   In a message dated 2/2/03 10:52:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes:=3D20           But I am leaving it up to God to keep me, or send me where He wants me to serve.       Perhaps God has something much better waiting for you elsewhere and is simply hoping that you will see the error of their ways, use the freedom of choice which He so generously gave you, and get the heck out of Dodge!! ;-)=3D20   Surely you know that God has a great plan for you and does not want you to suffer. You need to be willing to step out in faith.=3D20   I say: Pack up 'n GIT! ;-)=3D20   In my life some of my greatest blessing has come as a result of stepping out into the unknown.=3D20     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2CBB4.F69ECFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But we need Lee in =3D Oklahoma&#8230;.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February = =3D 03, 2003 11:28 AM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: A sad =3D day</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In a message dated 2/2/03 = =3D 10:52:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicaleee@aol.com writes: <br> <br> <br> <br> </span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3D"#400040" face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#400040'>But I am leaving it up to God to keep me, or send me where He wants me to =3D serve.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial =3D FAMILY=3D3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> Perhaps God has something much better waiting for you elsewhere and is =3D simply hoping that you will see the error of their ways, use the freedom of =3D choice which He so generously gave you, and get the heck out of Dodge!! =3D &nbsp;;-) <br> <br> Surely you know that God has a great plan for you and does not want you = =3D to suffer. &nbsp;&nbsp;You need to be willing to step out in faith. <br> <br> I say: &nbsp;&nbsp;Pack up 'n GIT! &nbsp;;-) <br> <br> In my life some of my greatest blessing has come as a result of stepping = =3D out into the unknown. <br> <br> <br> Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling =3D Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D </span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html> =3D00 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2CBB4.F69ECFB0--  
(back) Subject: That Mean Old Scholar Again From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonathan@jonathanbhall.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:13:12 -0800 (PST)   Continuing to bash the new organ list, the kindly Dr. Brown has this to offer:     >This list assumes that a degree magically confers a certain knowledge upon you. Anyone up to watching The Wizard of Oz?   Charles   Charles E. Brown Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero Beginning Dreamweaver MX Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible         --Yes, Dr. Brown, I'm very much up to watching the wizard of Oz, especially the part where you set fire to the Scarecrow, and Dorothy throws water on you.   J    
(back) Subject: Re: A sad day From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:36:57 EST     --part1_16e.1a1e7a11.2b701ed9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 2/3/03 1:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:     > But we need Lee in Oklahoma=3DE2=3D80=3DA6. > =3D20 >=3D20   maybe a group move!! ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling = Acres=3D20 http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20     --part1_16e.1a1e7a11.2b701ed9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/3/03=3D 1:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, pstorandt@okcu.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000080" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But we need = Lee=3D in Oklahoma=3DE2=3D80=3DA6.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SAN=3D SSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000080" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERI=3D F" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>maybe a group move!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_16e.1a1e7a11.2b701ed9_boundary--