PipeChat Digest #3428 - Tuesday, February 4, 2003
 
Re:  Scholarly Organist Group  (longish)
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: A Sad Day
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Scholarly Organist Group  (longish)
  by "Roger Brown" <roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org>
Re: Scholarly Organist Group  (longish)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Scholarly Organist Group (longish) From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 01:32:55 -0500   > I hope Jonathan's list works, but I don't think it is > fair to regard it as an eltist list before it starts!   I respectfully disagree with you here, Colin, and also with Mr. Gettleman. = By demanding "proper" credentials and academic degrees, how can the list be anything _but_ elitist?   I am a beginner here and I liken it to when I was studying a foreign = language. In the beginning stages, I found it enormously helpful to be a fly on the = wall when native speakers were chatting amongst themselves. I didn't = understand much of what was being said, but by hanging in and listening, I learned = much more quickly than I would have by digging through a stack of books. At = first, I would just listen and not participate. Eventually, I would notice that = I was understanding more and more and finally feel confident enough to = hazzard a question or two, and eventually even be able to participate intelligently. =   When I entered the world of Internetworking, many of the terms I heard = around me were complete gibberish. However, by hanging around and listening, I eventually learned quite a lot from those who gained their expertise by working on the jobs on a day to day basis.   That is precisely why I joined lists such as this when I started learning = to play the organ. I may be in the catagory of empassioned dilettant as this = is not my profession and it's not likely that it ever will be (but ya never know). Nevertheless, I am very much interested in all aspects of the = craft. And while reading these lists does nothing to help my clumsy footwork, I = have learned much about repetoire and how to approach music. I have also = learned much about registering a piece from this list as well as by listening to recordings. On the other hand, I've also learned more than I thought I = would ever want to know about wedding fees. <G>   By being around the discussions of the organ builders, I have learned much =   about how an organ is put together, how it functions, as well as the = various schools of thought in organ builiding. I think this is very valuble = knowledge for a performer of such a complex instrument.   The discussions about the new verses to the hymn tune Melita have been extremely interesting for me and I have passed some of these on to choir members of my church for use in a memorial service. Were it not for the Internet and lists like this one, and the experts sharing their knowledge here, this sort of information could not have reached nearly as many = people in such a timely manner. What a wonderful forum! And were this an exclusive =   list, only a pedegreed few would have benefitted.   This is my classroom and you all are my professors. (Now isn't _that_ a = scary thought!) But in the same vein, you are all also EACH OTHER'S professors. = Listening to those with experience in any field, I have learned, is the = best way to pick up the tips and tricks of the trade. Of course, in short = order, you also learn whom to ignore. <g>   By running off to an exclusive list, and you certiainly can't deny the exclusivity of that new list, I feel that the "masters" of the craft would = be denying the rest of us a very important channel for learning more about = the art of the organ.   As far as I am concerned, _this_ sort of open list is the very raison = d'etre of the Internet. At no other time in history has a resource such as this = been so widely available.   Respectfully, TommyLee Whitlock    
(back) Subject: Re: A Sad Day From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:51:26 -0500   > The word "patriotism" disappoints me.......the > Russians are involved in all this too. A great deal of > the programme is international in nature.   I tend to agree with you here, Collin. One of the strengths of the space effort in the last decade has been the spirit of international cooperation =   that it has been fostering. It isn't just about patriotism in the US = anymore, but rather the world community as a whole.   An Israeli died on the Columbia, also, and he was conducting an experiment =   that had been submitted by a Palestinian. There was also the Ms Chawla, = from India. Other nations have been represented on space missions as well.   Despite that the Columbia was built and launched in the US, its loss is a world tragedy since the space effort has become increasingly = international.   Peace, TommyLee    
(back) Subject: Re: Scholarly Organist Group (longish) From: "Roger Brown" <roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:33:49 +1100     > By running off to an exclusive list, and you certiainly can't deny the > exclusivity of that new list, I feel that the "masters" of the craft = would be > denying the rest of us a very important channel for learning more about = the > art of the organ.   I actually decided to join it for exactly that reason - that I might learn something from people who really know their stuff.   And with that thought in mind I do think there would certainly be merit in Jon opening the list to all comers so far as reading the archives or viewing posts is concerned.   -- Regards, Roger   Roger Brown roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org http://rogerbrown.tripod.com http://member.melbpc.org.au/~robrown/    
(back) Subject: Re: Scholarly Organist Group (longish) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 03:41:16 EST     --part1_1aa.ff5cdb0.2b70d6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I think that the Scholarly Organist list was designed because they were = sick of reading all the junky conversation can show up on pipechat. They = probably get right down to the business of things without worrying about hurting anyone's feelings. I too am sick of expressing an opinion and getting = emails back called expressing ourselves tactfully, mediocrity, "why use proper performance practice? I do whatever works". To me. that is mediocrity! I =   dare say that earning a DMA or PHD puts a person in a different = intellectual category, or at least equips a person with a more advanced and = pedagogically informed style on the subject of organs and musicology-98% of the time anyway. The world is full of things people can't do because of degree requirements, its actually the basis of college! This is just another example. I don't blame them one bit. Greg-   --part1_1aa.ff5cdb0.2b70d6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>I think that the = Scholarl=3D y Organist list was designed because they were sick of reading all the = junky=3D conversation can show up on pipechat. &nbsp;They probably get right down = to=3D the business of things without worrying about hurting anyone's feelings. = &n=3D bsp;I too am sick of expressing an opinion and getting emails back called = ex=3D pressing ourselves tactfully, mediocrity, "why use proper performance = practi=3D ce? I do whatever works". &nbsp;To me. that is mediocrity! &nbsp;I dare = say=3D20=3D that earning a DMA or PHD puts a person in a different intellectual = category=3D , or at least equips a person with a more advanced and pedagogically = informe=3D d style on the subject of organs and musicology-98% of the time anyway. = &nbs=3D p;The world is full of things people can't do because of degree = requirements=3D , its actually the basis of college! &nbsp;This is just another example. = &nb=3D sp;I don't blame them one bit. <BR>Greg-</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1aa.ff5cdb0.2b70d6ac_boundary--