PipeChat Digest #3439 - Saturday, February 8, 2003
 
RE: Sigh
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
Re: NYNY (Start tellin' the news)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Sigh
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: NYNY (Start tellin' the news)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Sigh
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Sigh
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
The Sigh Syndrome & St. Giles International Organ School
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: The Sigh Syndrome & St. Giles International Organ School
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Sigh
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Sigh From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:29:06 -0600   Hey , if you have any cd's that you need to get rid of, let me know. I = will agree with you on how you feel about the current state of music appreciation, and it's really really sad. When you've got some twit like brittney spears selling lord only knows how much on really vapid music, = well it says a lot for peoples taste, (or lack thereof) in music overall. It's just sad that this entire generation is sooooooo apathetic about not just music, but everything else with regards to the arts. It's sad to see how music and art programs in elementary school are being cut.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Emmons, Paul Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:25 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: Sigh     (I apologize for cross-posting this in PIPORG-L a minute ago. The list owners there will probably slap me for writing off-topic, and rightly so. But it is not entirely so, because I think that we are often too hard on ourselves because of how we are treated in the big world. This fate is nothing personal, nor any localized disease, as the situation below should vividly demonstrate.)   The annual book sale of our university library this year included = thousands of LP recordings that had been donated, especially by two elderly = gentlemen. They had built these collections during most of their adult lives. One ranged comprehensively over the whole field of classical music, with all = the greatest composers represented by their greatest works, and sometimes multiple interpretations. The other collection specialized in opera and acquired works well off the beaten path. Both took care of their records and left them to us in good, almost mint, condition.   As Music Librarian, I know that many of these belong in our collection, as the donors hoped, but we do not have and will not in the future have the space to house more than a select minority. So we are selling them (together with the usual large room full of books), in a sale put together and staffed by library employees and volunteers.   All week these books and recordings have been available for "a steal", the recordings going for 50 cents per album (that means, perhaps, a whole = opera for 50 cents). Quite a few, indeed have found new homes, but not more = than 1/3 of the whole. Today the prices have gone down to $1 per bag: we're = all but giving them away. And there are still box after box of classics that are not available on CD. My house is already stuffed full of books, = music, and records. Whenever I've something in this sale that friends might = like, I've grabbed it for them. I've probably exceeded the bounds of sanity already. There is nothing more that I can do.   This is is a university campus. Thousands of the country's supposedly brightest young people live here, including several hundred majors in a reputable school of music. The surrounding area is one of the most affluent in the U.S.   The fact that, under these circumstances, so much beauty is liable to go into the dumpster out of sheer indifference-- the stuff is here for the asking-- is very disheartening, disturbing, and mystifying. Only a generation ago, millions (or at least hundreds of thousands) of people = paid good money for the privilege of enjoying this music at home whenever they wished. As a student, I couldn't afford a large collection, but that made me all the more inveterate a bargain-hunter. I once risked flunking a course because I *had* to go to a nearby book sale. But now, in the = middle of a whole town of the like, we can't even GIVE them away.   It would be understandable if most of this repertoire and performances = were available in some other format, but most of it is not. When it's gone we can't expect it to return. People don't realize this or care-- even some = of our music faculty don't seem to be aware of the sad state of the CD market for serious music.   What has happened to people's agendas since I was a student? Readers in Britain, Germany, France, South America-- tell me, would this happen in your country?               "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: NYNY (Start tellin' the news) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:35:53 +0000 (GMT)   Hello Alan,   That's a very kind offer!   I hope to get over that side of the pond again in the not too distant future.   I think we went South before going up to Boston, to visit friends somewhere in the country. It was so foggy, I didn't even notice the famous Brooklyn Bridge until I had driven over it!   I got such a terrible impression on NY, but I know it is not typical. The weather was atrocious and people were scurrying along with umbrellas....all in a rush.   3 days and I never saw a single skyscraper top!   Like magic, the sun shone on Boston just as I got there.   Regards,   Colin     > Anyway, more important: Next time you come to NYC > (and I hope it's soon), > let me know, and I'll make sure you hear organs > being played, even if you > have to do it yourself. Tell me also what KINDS of > instruments you want to > sample, as there are so MANY here! Baroque? > Romantic? Skinner? Digital?     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Sigh From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 20:19:03 -0500   On 2/7/03 5:26 PM, "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   > I fear I'm rambling and boring people, but I'm passionate about this, = hating > the ignorance and vandalism that is being shown. > Ross: Excellent words, eloquently said. My collections are a tiny shred = of yours. But treasured. But where will they be 20 years from now?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: NYNY (Start tellin' the news) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 20:31:09 -0500   On 2/7/03 7:35 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Hello Alan, > > That's a very kind offer!   Not a bit of it. That's my job! > > I hope to get over that side of the pond again in the > not too distant future.   I certainly hope that's the case. I will not obtrude on your time here; = I'm kind of lame these days--but I can use the phone and make arrangements = here and there. And make some half-worthy recommendations. So USE me! > > I think we went South before going up to Boston, to > visit friends somewhere in the country. It was so > foggy, I didn't even notice the famous Brooklyn Bridge > until I had driven over it!   Fog is NOT unknown here; but it's a BIT rare, compared to San Francisco = and Seattle, where I've spent lots of years, and been used to it. You must = have hit a bad week, somehow. My regrets! > > I got such a terrible impression on NY, but I know it > is not typical. The weather was atrocious and people > were scurrying along with umbrellas....all in a rush.   Oh, yes! That's for sure. We scurry a lot, and always with a brolly or three. > > 3 days and I never saw a single skyscraper top!   I hope (and, really, am confident) that we'll leave you with a better impression next time. But "scurry" will not diminish! > Alan (who's entertained Brits and Danes and Norwegians and Germans here before!--albeit when I was a bit more ambulatory)        
(back) Subject: Re: Sigh From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:34:12 +0000 (GMT)   Hello, Yes Paul.....it has happened in the UK.   Our local library music section used to be quite good. It is now pandering to popular taste and minimal scholarship, by and large, except for the invaluable copy of Grove. The once large organ section has all but disappeared.   In the Engineering section, my local town had amassed the most wonderful books due to the fact that very high quality machine and textile engineering were very important in the area. Many standard works disappeared when "they" modernised and "dumbed down" the library.   Then we have political correctness........but I shan't go into that!   Now you know why the Monks chained the books to the desks!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   PS: My Brother was leafing through the ORIGINAL books and papers of Copernicus a few months ago!   Different values in Poland!   --- "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > The annual book sale of our university library this > year included thousands > of LP recordings ......... > > All week these books and recordings have been > available for "a steal........   > > The fact that, under these circumstances, so much > beauty is liable to go > into the dumpster ....... > > It would be understandable if most of this > repertoire and performances were > available in some other format........   > What has happened to people's agendas since I was a > student? Readers in > Britain, Germany, France, South America-- tell me, > would this happen in your > country?   >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Sigh From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 20:53:48 -0500   On 2/7/03 8:34 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > PS: My Brother was leafing through the ORIGINAL books > and papers of Copernicus a few months ago! > > Different values in Poland! > Oy, my GOSH! Incredible. And his stuff wasn't even published in Poland, was it? But under !!Lutheran auspices in Germany, as I recall.   Oy.   Alan    
(back) Subject: The Sigh Syndrome & St. Giles International Organ School From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:57:40 -0500   Dear Lists,   Paul Emmons began the sighing, I think, on PipOrg-l, and the misery got passed around between the two lists after that. The lament has to do with the vastly diminished interest in good old classical recordings (LPs), = even when they were being given away by his university library (West Chester University in Pennsylvania). Some of these significant recorded performances, wonderful though they be, have not been reissued on CD, the medium of our day, so they are treasures only to be heard on these vinyl recordings. Nobody wants them, at least not around that part of the = country. Colin Mitchell piped up with indications that things are not much better = in the UK.   Well, I have some good news, not concerning vinyl recordings, of which I have in my basement rather a large collection of my own. I had a visit = last Wednesday from Anne Marsden Thomas, in New York with her non-organist husband on holiday. Anne is Organist at St. Giles Cripplegate, hard by the Barbican. The Organ is a hybrid that actually works somehow, with bits of several builders including one of the Willises, and a double shot of = Mander at various times. There is a plan afoot for a second Organ in the = building, and also for a small tracker practice Organ. Anne's one bit of Organ = doings during this holiday was to see the two Mander Organs in New York, those of St. Ignatius and of St. Agnes. She is a wonderful player, and I would be delighted to hear her sometime, somewhere, in a full recital. I loved her whole approach to the keyboard and to the music she played. Kent Tritle spent some time with us, and together, we heard Anne's information about = the rather incredible Organ school she started some ten years ago, the St. = Giles International Organ School, about which a bit more later. We then took the Lex down to Grand Central, and walked over to St. Agnes, where the more = than excellent Organist, Andrew Mills, gave what someone (John Mander, I think) called Andrew's Whistle Stop Tour of the Organ, which takes us through the contents of a loose leaf notebook, a series of chunks of about a dozen pieces carefully designed to together demonstrate the many possibilities = of this 31 stop, 2 manual instrument (in a gorgeous acoustic!). Up to the gallery we went, and Anne explored the instrument thoroughly. Well, the = real news in all of this is that the little school begun by Anne at St. Giles a decade ago now has over 250 Organ students, some of them now outside the Capital. They are of all ages. Ann Elise Smoot is director of the St. = Giles Junior Organ Conservatoire. Catherine Ennis has recently joined the = faculty. Other names you might know are Kevin Bowyer, Gerard Brooks, and James Parsons, along with about a half-dozen more not known to me.   The thought of 250 Organ students more-or-less in one place is as amazing and exciting here in the U. S. as I am sure it is in the UK. Put out a = table full of old LPs of great Organists and Instruments, and this crowd will = grab them up. This program must have an impact on interest in the Organ in England. We could well do with a USA branch, please.   Cheers to be sure,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com      
(back) Subject: Re: The Sigh Syndrome & St. Giles International Organ School From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:12:11 +1300   >I had a visit last >Wednesday from Anne Marsden Thomas, in New York with her non-organist >husband on holiday. Anne is Organist at St. Giles Cripplegate, hard by = the >Barbican.   I went to a recital of Anne's at St Giles's in 1992 and hated it. The = organ is a mish-mash of various bits and pieces, indeed, and much of it was probably hardly worth resurrecting. As I recall, an old case was used on = the organ, facing east, and another old one is on the west-facing side of the instrument, not far out from the west wall of this west-end installation.   The church is largely devoid furniture and has a very tiny congregation.   Anne's Bach recital was characterised by two things which put me right off = - 1. breakneck speed, so fast that the melody and harmony were completely lost and the pipes below about 4ft C could barely speak 2. everything very very staccato, so much so that no phrasing was even remotely possible - all just went click click click as the pipes tried vainly to speak properly and transients=3Donly were largely the order of = the day.   Sorry, but you can keep both Cripplegate, and Anne crippling Bach.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Sigh From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 04:38:08 EST     --part1_a1.33bf28e6.2b762a00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello Alan,   In reference to your comment:   =3DE8 I fear I'm rambling and boring people, but I'm =3DE8 passionate about this, hating > the ignorance and =3DE8 vandalism that is being shown. > Ross: Excellent =3DE8 words, eloquently said. My collections are a tiny shred =3DE8 of yours. But treasured. But where will they be 20 =3DE8 years from now?   Sorry about the HTML......   I think a good part of the problem is the lack of turntables on most = stereo=3D20 systems today. Why should someone collect vinyl when he has no way to = play=3D20 it? I do agree, however, that they should be preserved.   Victoria   =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3DOriginal = Message=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D20 Subj: Re: Sigh =3D20 Date: 2/7/2003 9:21:44 PM Eastern Standard Time =3D20 From: <A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:acfreed0904@earthlink.net">acfreed0904@earthlink.=3D net</A> =3D20 Reply-to: <A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org<=3D /A> =3D20 To: <A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>=3D20=3D =3D20 Sent from the Internet (Details) =3D20 =3D20     On 2/7/03 5:26 PM, "Ross &Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   >I fear I'm rambling and boring people, but I'm passionate about this, = hatin=3D g >the ignorance and vandalism that is being shown. > Ross: Excellent words, eloquently said. My collections are a tiny shred = of yours. But treasured. But where will they be 20 years from now?   Alan     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     --part1_a1.33bf28e6.2b762a00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hello Alan,<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In reference to your = comment=3D :<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FACE=3D3D"Wingdings" LANG=3D3D"0">=3DE8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#808080" = style=3D3D"B=3D ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0">&nbsp; I fear I'm rambling and boring people, but I'm<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FACE=3D3D"Wingdings" LANG=3D3D"0">=3DE8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#808080" = style=3D3D"B=3D ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"> passionate about this, hating &gt; the ignorance and<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FACE=3D3D"Wingdings" LANG=3D3D"0">=3DE8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#808080" = style=3D3D"B=3D ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"> vandalism that is being shown. &gt;&nbsp; Ross:&nbsp; = Excellent<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FACE=3D3D"Wingdings" LANG=3D3D"0">=3DE8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#808080" = style=3D3D"B=3D ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"> words, eloquently said.&nbsp; My collections are a tiny = shred<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FACE=3D3D"Wingdings" LANG=3D3D"0">=3DE8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#808080" = style=3D3D"B=3D ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"> of yours.&nbsp; But treasured.&nbsp; But where will they be = 20<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FACE=3D3D"Wingdings" LANG=3D3D"0">=3DE8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#808080" = style=3D3D"B=3D ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"> years from now?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-C=3D OLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> Sorry about the HTML......<BR> <BR> I think a good part of the problem is the lack of turntables on most = stereo=3D20=3D systems today.&nbsp; Why should someone collect vinyl when he has no way = to=3D20=3D play it?&nbsp; I do agree, however, that they should be preserved.<BR> <BR> Victoria<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Webdings" = LANG=3D3D"0">=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D</FON=3D T><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2 FAMI=3D LY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Original = Message</FONT><FONT COL=3D OR=3D3D"#ff0000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF"=3D FACE=3D3D"Webdings" = LANG=3D3D"0">=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D =3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERI=3D F" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> Subj: <B>Re: Sigh </B> <BR> Date: 2/7/2003 9:21:44 PM Eastern Standard Time <BR> From: <A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:acfreed0904@earthlink.net">acfreed0904@earthlink.=3D net</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000ff" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" S=3D IZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> Reply-to: <A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org<=3D /A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000ff" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D =3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> To: <A = HREF=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A><=3D /FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000ff" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D20=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <I>Sent from the Internet (Details)</I> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> On 2/7/03 5:26 PM, "Ross &amp;Lynda Wards" &lt;TheShieling@xtra.co.nz&gt; = wr=3D ote:<BR> <BR> &gt;I fear I'm rambling and boring people, but I'm passionate about this, = ha=3D ting<BR> &gt;the ignorance and vandalism that is being shown.<BR> &gt;<BR> Ross:&nbsp; Excellent words, eloquently said.&nbsp; My collections are a = tin=3D y shred of<BR> yours.&nbsp; But treasured.&nbsp; But where will they be 20 years from = now?<=3D BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR> PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for pipe/digital organs = &amp;related=3D topics<BR> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR> Administration:&nbsp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_a1.33bf28e6.2b762a00_boundary--