PipeChat Digest #3449 - Thursday, February 13, 2003
 
Re: "Come to Jesus"
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: INHARMONICITY
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: "Come to Jesus"
  by "Domitila de Lima Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: "Come to Jesus"
  by "Domitila de Lima Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: "Come to Jesus"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: "Come to Jesus"
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Identifying Skinner Pipework
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: Identifying Skinner Pipework
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: Identifying Skinner Pipework
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Blackburn Cathedral (Part 4)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
new pipes
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: new pipes
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
Printing Problem - .gif
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: Printing Problem - .gif
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
Re: Printing Problem - .gif
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Printing Problem - .gif
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: "Come to Jesus" From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:05:34 -0600   Thank you all for your responses. I figured that if there really was a hymn "Come to Jesus" people on this list would be able to give some information about it. I had speculated last night at dinner that I thought if it existed that it was probably a Victorian hymn and probably appeared in some turn of the 20th Century hymnal(s). Based on the dates given on the Cyber Hymnal page I gather I was probably correct in my speculation.   I am passing along to my dinner companions the link to the Cyber hymnal.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: INHARMONICITY From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:47:55 -0000   Hello Keith and all,   Just a few comments (snip-wise) on this   ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: INHARMONICITY   > I think of the fundamental as being exactly that -- a > fundamental and not a harmonic. When I refer to the > first harmonic, I am referring to the octave harmonic > which some people refer to as the second harmonic.   This is not the conventional or indeed the correct way of referring to harmonics. The fundamental is the first harmonic (ie the fundamental frequency x 1), the octave is the second harmonic (the fundamental = frequency x 2) and so on. My dictionaries, both musical and general, confirm this.   >Because it is THICKER, it is thrown a > little sharp, so that the fundamental of the A one > octave higher than A=3D440 which should be A=3D880, might > end up being A=3D881.5 instead.   My understanding of this phenomenon is that the cause of the upper = harmonics being sharp is not the thickness of the string per se, but of its = stiffness which proportionally reduces the effective length of the vibrating parts = at higher frequencies.   > Inharmonicity does not exist in the organ, because its > tones are produced by a vibrating column of air within > a pipe, or by digital circuitry as the case may be.   This may be true for flue pipes, but for organ reeds the stiffness of the reed tongue must have a similar effect. I suggest that the 'brassiness' of = a good Trumpet stop is mainly because the upper harmonics are sharp. There = are other effects at work here so things are not that simple. A poor = electronic re-creation of a similar stop where the harmonics are exactly in tune will sound dead and harsh however bright you make it. It's quite possible to create (synthesise) the effect of these sharp harmonics digitally, though = my own efforts to do this have not been very successful. (see the Trumpets in my Soundfonts). I'll keep trying. !!.   Regards,   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html    
(back) Subject: Re: "Come to Jesus" From: "Domitila de Lima Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:40:12 -0300     --------------000905060602050302020509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, John,   I thank you so much for this link.   I already passed ahead the link CyberHymnal. I have several friends which will like of it.   Domitila Ballesteros     John L. Speller wrote:   >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> >To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:46 PM >Subject: "Come to Jesus" >Is there > > >>really a hymn called "Come to Jesus" and where is it found? >> >> > >Yes. Not that I would be caught dead singing it <g> > >See: > >http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/t/co2jesus.htm > >John Speller > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >     --------------000905060602050302020509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> Hi, John,<br> <br> I thank you so much for this link.<br> <br> I already passed ahead the link &nbsp;CyberHymnal. <br> I have several friends which will like of it.<br> <br> Domitila Ballesteros<br> <br> <br> John L. Speller wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" = cite=3D"mid001001c2d251$469eee80$c9ae85ce@default"> <pre wrap=3D"">----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scribner" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:david@blackiris.com">&lt;david@blackiris.com&gt;</a> To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">&lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;</a> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: "Come to Jesus" Is there </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">really a hymn called "Come to Jesus" and where is it = found? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D""><!----> Yes. Not that I would be caught dead singing it &lt;g&gt;   See: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/t/co2jesus.htm">http://www.cyber= hymnal.org/htm/c/o/t/co2jesus.htm</a>   John Speller     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.pipechat.org">http://www.pipechat.org</a> List: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org</a> Administration: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:admin@pipechat.org">mailto:admin@pipechat.org</a> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org">mailto:requests@pipechat.org</a>     </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>   --------------000905060602050302020509--      
(back) Subject: Re: "Come to Jesus" From: "Domitila de Lima Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:41:19 -0300     --------------040700000703030400000904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, Stanley   I thank you and John so much for this link.   I already passed ahead the link CyberHymnal. I have several friends which will like of it.   Domitila Ballesteros   Stanley Lowkis wrote:   >http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/t/co2jesus.htm > >David Scribner wrote: > > >>The phrase "He/She couldn't play 'Come to Jesus' in Whole Notes" >>seems to be an often used phrase. Tonight at our AGO dinner this >>phrase came up in conversation at the table where I was sitting. The >>question came up "is there really a hymn called 'Come to Jesus'"? >>Although there was some speculation none of us had the answer to that >>question. So I throw it out to our distinguished group - Is there >>really a hymn called "Come to Jesus" and where is it found? And to >>take it a step further - how did that often used phrase come about? >> >>Will be interested in the answers >> >>David >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >     --------------040700000703030400000904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" = content=3D"text/html;charset=3DISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> Hi, Stanley<br> <br> I thank you and John so much for this link.<br> <br> I already passed ahead the link &nbsp;CyberHymnal. <br> I have several friends which will like of it.<br> <br> Domitila Ballesteros<br> <br> Stanley Lowkis wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid3E49C796.F11CBD95@attbi.com"> <pre wrap=3D""><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/t/co2jesus.htm">http://www.cyber= hymnal.org/htm/c/o/t/co2jesus.htm</a>   David Scribner wrote: </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">The phrase "He/She couldn't play 'Come to Jesus' in = Whole Notes" seems to be an often used phrase. Tonight at our AGO dinner this phrase came up in conversation at the table where I was sitting. The question came up "is there really a hymn called 'Come to Jesus'"? Although there was some speculation none of us had the answer to that question. So I throw it out to our distinguished group - Is there really a hymn called "Come to Jesus" and where is it found? And to take it a step further - how did that often used phrase come about?   Will be interested in the answers   David   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.pipechat.org">http://www.pipechat.org</a> List: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org</a> Administration: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:admin@pipechat.org">mailto:admin@pipechat.org</a> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org">mailto:requests@pipechat.org</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D""><!---->   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://www.pipechat.org">http://www.pipechat.org</a> List: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org</a> Administration: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:admin@pipechat.org">mailto:admin@pipechat.org</a> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org">mailto:requests@pipechat.org</a>     </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>   --------------040700000703030400000904--      
(back) Subject: Re: "Come to Jesus" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:54:11 EST   I believe it is sung, in the original Aramaic, during the Musaph = section of the Schacharit service on such festivals as L'ag B'Omer and Tu = Bi'shvat. But I'm not sure.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Come to Jesus" From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:20:01 -0600   At 8:54 AM -0500 02/12/03, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > I believe it is sung, in the original Aramaic, during the Musaph = section >of the Schacharit service on such festivals as L'ag B'Omer and Tu = Bi'shvat. > But I'm not sure.   LOLOL - I'll be sure to pass that along to my dinner partners also! <G>   David  
(back) Subject: Identifying Skinner Pipework From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:09:34 -0600   Is there a particular way to identify Skinner pipework-particularly his orchestral reeds? I'm wondering if a particular GOK rank could be narrowed down a bit as to maker.   Dennis Steckley   Ich liebe meine Katzen        
(back) Subject: Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:11:48 -0800   >Is there a particular way to identify Skinner pipework-particularly his >orchestral reeds?   would like to know that too - have some possible Skinner pipework   John V  
(back) Subject: RE: Identifying Skinner Pipework From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:12:53 -0600   Is yours particularly particular, too? :-)   -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:12 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework   >Is there a particular way to identify Skinner pipework-particularly his >orchestral reeds?   would like to know that too - have some possible Skinner pipework   John V   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Identifying Skinner Pipework From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:20:20 -0800   >Is yours particularly particular, too? :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:12 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework > >>Is there a particular way to identify Skinner pipework-particularly his >>orchestral reeds? > >would like to know that too - have some possible Skinner pipework > >John V   Teehee...we may have some reeds..   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:15:22 EST   What on EARTH is a "GOK rank"?  
(back) Subject: Blackburn Cathedral (Part 4) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:37:53 +0000 (GMT)   Blackburn Cathedral (Part 4)   As the cuddly figure of Carlo Curley slid onto the organ, there was a twinkle in his eye......he now had the whole organ at his disposal.   The Cortege et Litanie Op.19 no.2 by Dupre, started in a hushed manner on foundation stops, but as the strings and flutes gave way to full unison, then octaves, then upperwork, then reeds and THE DIGITAL BASSES (applause!) before full organ thundered around the building, it was obvious that the instrument had gained much and lost nothing.   The Blackburn instrument was always superb as a recital instrument, but lacked mid-tones and foundational gravity for choral accompaniment. This has been rectified by the addition of a new Solo Organ with Strings and Flutes, the digital basses of variable volume (very useful) and three new reeds; namely a Voix Humaine, a Cliquot scaled Cromorne and a Swell Oboe.   The Chant Heroique from "neuf pieces" Op.40 by Jean Langlais, was deftly played. Again, my ignorance came to the fore......I hardly knew this piece! It was, for those who understood, a magical display of Mr Curley's impeccable keyboard technique.   When Mr Curley suggested that the Cesar Franck "Fantaisie in A" (No.1 from "Trois pieces pour le grand orgue") was "like a great cathedral with many side chapels, but all united", I started to look at my watch! Once standing beside an organist playing a wonderful Cavaille-Coll organ, I almost fell asleep as he moved from side-chapel to side-chapel. I had hoped that the passage of years would bring increased tolerance, but unfortunately, it did not......I still have an aversion to this rambling, rather lengthy "tome pour grand orgue". Nevertheless, it was an opportunity to hear the new Solo stops, the excellent digital stops (made necessary by a lack of space) and all of the new reeds.....an excellent ensemble by any standards, which have contributed a great deal to the musical flexibility and character of the re-built instrument.   The "Andante in F" by Dussek, (Arr.George Thalben-Ball) was the classical style lull before the storm, and really marked the end of the "serious" music heard at Mr Curley's concert.   No CC concert would be complete without a little "prestidigitation"......something so absurdly fast that everyone....and I mean EVERYONE.....is in a high state of nervous anxiety. Using the excuse that Camille Saint-Saens once made a recording of the "March Militaire" from "Suite Algerienne" Op.60 at a truly frantic speed (78rpm with only a limited time span), Mr Curley roared off towards Algiers like "Meatloaf" singing "Bat out of hell!" Indeed, with a leather jacket and a long-haired black wig.............I digress!   Whatever the critics, the insanely envious and the sceptics say, Mr Curley just has a way of striking the balance between "serious stuff" and "entertainment". Thus, when the whole audience erupted into wild applause, I felt that it was as much a tribute to some wonderful "serious" playing as well as the awesome technique he so amply demonstrates.   After that, there just HAD to be an encore!   Applause refused to go away until he once more climbed back onto the superb Blackburn instrument.   The perfect ending for an American Organist who had shared an intimate moment in the Barber Adagio, was the exact opposite......something we all knew, something we all loved and, above all, something we could get involved with.   So it was, that the full audience (full of normally staid and conservative Brits) entered into the true spirit of the "Happy Clappy" fraternity as Carlo Curley treated us to the delightful, evergreen, "Liberty Bell" by Sousa.   A Brit audience and an American organist were teaching the French a thing or two about the meaning of "Concorde", "Liberty" and "Fraternity".......and quite a few "Whoops" managed to rise above the din of clapping and the thunder of full organ!   With so many emotions and so much fun, who knows? The clergy might find out that organists and organ music are not quite so "olde worlde" as they thought!   But let Mark have the last word....a poignant one perhaps.   Mark is not an organ enthusiast, but someone who enjoys a bit of classical, a lot of popular music and who was once a professional dancer. Like all dancers, he suffered, he practised until perfect and he set himself high standards.   Turning to ask him if he had enjoyed it, I didn't manage to get a word out before he spoke. With a wide grin and twinkling eyes he said, "Wow! The last time I saw anyone move their feet like that, it was Michael Jackson doing his 'moonwalk' "   From a dancer, that was the ultimate compliment!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK                               __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: new pipes From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:38:36 -0500   Casavant organs do run on relatively low wind pressure. Apparently they = are able to do so because they make their reeds from thinner metal. This = seems to make down the road tuning of their reeds more difficult. = Frequently we are called back within the week to retune Casavant reeds = even though they are in perfect tune when we finish the first tuning.   Otherwise, you should enjoy these two ranks.   Stan Krider   In a message dated 2/12/2003 12:02:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, = pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   > > Dear list: I have just purchased an 8' gemshorn and an 16' fagotto = for > $200.00. The pipework is from a 1968 Casavant organ that is housed in > Peoria, Il at one of the Lutheran churches there. They have done a = recent > upgrade on the organ and didn't have use for these two ranks. Do you = think > I did well as far as my recent purchase?  
(back) Subject: Re: Identifying Skinner Pipework From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:47:41 -0600   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > What on EARTH is a "GOK rank"?   Acronym for: "God Only Knows!"   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: new pipes From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:45:25 -0600   Thin tongue material is not a good reason for reeds to require tuning. Casavant organs are not necessarily on low wind pressures either.... if wedges are not tight to reed tongue, things are not stable.=20 Also just poor engineering relationships of reed to resonator is a cause of much tuning instability. The reeds we buy from Killinger in Germany are very stable. It's not uncommon for us to find things in good enough condition from time to time, to warrant not "touching" the tuning. The Kilgen that I have to play on has a Tromp-ette that was from a M=F6ller, added by another builder some time back. It never stays in tune, and is slow to speak, as it's on too low a wind pressure. I just never use it at all. If you are having trouble with tuning, be sure to release the tension on the wire, by tapping the top of the block with your tool. If the reed is going to stay in tune it will...if it's going to go out of tune, it will also. Also be sure that the wedges are tight against the tongue, and not just tight in the block, from being too wide.     Just my thoughts, from experiences.       Jon Bertschinger Tonal Director Temple Organs Saint Joseph, MO  
(back) Subject: Printing Problem - .gif From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:52:34 EST     --part1_1e5.1dde9c4.2b7c7082_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Pipechatters and DIYers,   I've had this problem before and I can't get it figured out. I've viewed = the Spencer turbine manual online. The pages appear to be images of pages of = the printed Spencer manual. I would like to print them out to have my own manual.   I've tried printing them as I would any web page and a portion of the = right side of the page is missing - IOW, the image is larger than the page. = I've tried setting the properties on my printer to "shrink to fit", and it = makes no difference. I've tried changing the margins on my paper.   I saved each webpage of the manual on my desktop and tried to view them. They are .gif files. I cannot view them. I tried several programs that = came with my Dell to view them and couldn't.   I tho't I'd insert them into a Word document. Word asks what they are to = be converted from, and I don't recognize any of the formats listed.   Anyway, does anybody know how to print these pages or insert them into a document so they can be manipulated?   Thanks, Keith   --part1_1e5.1dde9c4.2b7c7082_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Pipechatters and DIYers,<BR> <BR> I've had this problem before and I can't get it figured out.&nbsp; I've = view=3D ed the Spencer turbine manual online.&nbsp; The pages appear to be images = of=3D pages of the printed Spencer manual.&nbsp; I would like to print them out = t=3D o have my own manual.<BR> <BR> I've tried printing them as I would any web page and a portion of the = right=3D20=3D side of the page is missing - IOW, the image is larger than the = page.&nbsp;=3D20=3D I've tried setting the properties on my printer to "shrink to fit", and it = m=3D akes no difference.&nbsp; I've tried changing the margins on my paper.<BR> <BR> I saved each webpage of the manual on my desktop and tried to view = them.&nbs=3D p; They are .gif files.&nbsp; I cannot view them.&nbsp; I tried several = prog=3D rams that came with my Dell to view them and couldn't.<BR> <BR> I tho't I'd insert them into a Word document.&nbsp; Word asks what they = are=3D20=3D to be converted from, and I don't recognize any of the formats listed. = <BR> <BR> Anyway, does anybody know how to print these pages or insert them into a = doc=3D ument so they can be manipulated?<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e5.1dde9c4.2b7c7082_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Printing Problem - .gif From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:11:53 -0800   Kieth,   I use JASC Paint Shop Pro 7, it has a page setup that allows a fit to page option. See if any of your picture handling programs has a setup area that allows a fit to page option.   Vern   Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote: > > Pipechatters and DIYers, > > I've had this problem before and I can't get it figured out. I've > viewed the Spencer turbine manual online. The pages appear to be > images of pages of the printed Spencer manual. I would like to print > them out to have my own manual. > > I've tried printing them as I would any web page and a portion of the > right side of the page is missing - IOW, the image is larger than the > page. I've tried setting the properties on my printer to "shrink to > fit", and it makes no difference. I've tried changing the margins on > my paper. > > I saved each webpage of the manual on my desktop and tried to view > them. They are .gif files. I cannot view them. I tried several > programs that came with my Dell to view them and couldn't. > > I tho't I'd insert them into a Word document. Word asks what they are > to be converted from, and I don't recognize any of the formats listed. > > Anyway, does anybody know how to print these pages or insert them into > a document so they can be manipulated? > > Thanks, > Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: Printing Problem - .gif From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:24:26 EST     --part1_1f0.1c1252b.2b7c860a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Keith:   Isn't .gif a picture format? I've noticed that some manuals have been produced on spreadsheet programs 256 wide. Converting them may be a problem. Try a graphic program and see if it will convert what you need. I wish you well.   Ron   --part1_1f0.1c1252b.2b7c860a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Keith:<BR> <BR> Isn't .gif a picture format? I've noticed that some manuals have<BR> been produced on spreadsheet programs 256 wide. Converting<BR> them may be a problem. Try a graphic program and see if it<BR> will convert what you need. I wish you well.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1f0.1c1252b.2b7c860a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Printing Problem - .gif From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:33:57 -0500   iF THE MANUAL IS IN .gif FORMAT, WINDOWS PHOTO EDITOR (PART OF THE OFFICE SUITE) WILL ALLOW YOU TO VIEW AND EDIT SIZE AS WELL. iT'S WHAT I USE ALL THE TIME   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Keith: > > Isn't .gif a picture format? I've noticed that some manuals have > been produced on spreadsheet programs 256 wide. Converting > them may be a problem. Try a graphic program and see if it > will convert what you need. I wish you well. > > Ron   -- Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS