PipeChat Digest #3451 - Thursday, February 13, 2003
 
GOK rank
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Re: INHARMONICITY
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
RE: 32' bombarde
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's
  by <lindr@cch.com>
Jean-Baptiste Lully
  by <Hell-Felix@t-online.de>
Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Jean-Baptiste Lully
  by <Hell-Felix@t-online.de>
Re: Archival copying to a CD
  by "Art" <sirartimus110@netscape.net>
Electronic vs. Pipe
  by "Art" <sirartimus110@netscape.net>
RE: Electronic vs. Pipe
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Archival copying to a CD
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Jean-Baptiste Lully
  by <Hell-Felix@t-online.de>
Re: Electronic vs. Pipe
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: Archival copying to a CD
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
 

(back) Subject: GOK rank From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:51:01 -0600             Ernst Oliphant Nepomuk Gok, with the encouragement of his teacher, K.E. Goepfart, specialized almost exclusively in building the bottom octaves of 32' Posaunes in the nether Schwarzwald region of Lower Ljubljana. As he grew older, he grew bolder, experimenting with triple open Ophicleides at 64' and even 128' pitch. Low CCCCCCC on the latter rank was played only once. It started an earthquake that ranged from Urk to Gurk in the west = and from Minsk to Tamil Nadu in the east. For years thereafter, people came from all over to view the carnage and survey the damage. So many millions made the pilgrimage that the verb "gawk" was coined in honor of this great mover and shaker.   Robert Lind           What on EARTH is a "GOK rank"?          
(back) Subject: Re: INHARMONICITY From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:32:36 -0500   Regarding Bruce's comments on Keith's use of the term "harmonic":   >> I think of the fundamental as being exactly that -- a >> fundamental and not a harmonic. When I refer to the >> first harmonic, I am referring to the octave harmonic >> which some people refer to as the second harmonic. > >This is not the conventional or indeed the correct way of referring to >harmonics. The fundamental is the first harmonic (ie the fundamental >frequency x 1), the octave is the second harmonic (the fundamental = frequency >x 2) and so on. My dictionaries, both musical and general, confirm this.   Bruce is right. The terms "harmonic" and "partial" are used = interchangeably, with the "first" of either being the fundamental. Thus, the literature = speaks of stopped pipes emphasizing odd partials.   Keith is confusing these terms with "overtone". The first overtone is = indeed the octave. This terminology and its counting method have disappeared. I =   think this is too bad, because as a computer type, I like numbering = schemes that start with zero.   Dick  
(back) Subject: RE: 32' bombarde From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:44:48 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C2D34C.EDE3CDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by marlo.eagle.ca id = h1DFO4m69428   Gary: Are the resonators wood or metal? I=3D92ve installed two 32=3D92,s with the bottom octave half length. Both = wer=3D e of wood and were built by P+S. of U.K. I was very pleased with their work. Please let us know more when you=3D92re able.   AjM   List, I work for Howell Pipe Organs of Sterling, IL in the summer and = wen=3D t to the shop today to get some pipe trays for my 2 ranks of pipes that I = j=3D ust bought. They are putting in a 32' bombarde in the organ that was just finished this past Fall at St. Ita's in Chicago. The new 12 note = extensi=3D on was built by F.J. Rogers of the United Kingdom. I can't wait to hear = wha=3D t it will sound like when finished. 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(back) Subject: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes") From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:44:51 -0500       I agree with Jon. Most builders that I'm aware of were building organs working on relatively low pressure from the 1960's to 1980's. Casavant shouldn't be singled out for producing reeds that are unstable. I also use the same trick of tapping the pipe to make sure it's going to stay in tune, although I tap the boot, not the top of the block. (I'm willing to give it a try though). I'd be a little hesitant giving out information to organists concerning "hands-on" methods for keeping reeds in tune. A long time ago I understand = a tuner in my part of Canada jokingly told an organist that he needed to = keep his reeds "well oiled" to solve his tuning problems. There was trouble when the organist apparently thought the tuner was = serious and "oiled" his reeds! AjM   Thin tongue material is not a good reason for reeds to require tuning. Casavant organs are not necessarily on low wind pressures either.... if wedges are not tight to reed tongue, things are not stable. Also just poor engineering relationships of reed to resonator is a cause of much tuning instability. The reeds we buy from Killinger in Germany are very stable. It's not uncommon for us to find things in good enough condition from time to time, to warrant not "touching" the tuning. The Kilgen that I have to play on has a Tromp-ette that was from a M=F6ller, added by another builder some time back. It never stays in tune, and is slow to speak, as it's on too low a wind pressure. I just never use it at all. If you are having trouble with tuning, be sure to release the tension on the wire, by tapping the top of the block with your tool. If the reed is going to stay in tune it will...if it's going to go out of tune, it will also. Also be sure that the wedges are tight against the tongue, and not just tight in the block, from being too wide.     Just my thoughts, from experiences.              
(back) Subject: Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's From: <lindr@cch.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:45:48 -0600             Does this mean that the Wicks organ at St. Ita's has been removed? I remember hearing Litaize in recital there circa 1958, and Edward Eigenschenk recorded some Langlais perhaps a couple of years before that. The 16' reed (Trombone?) was anything but shy, and there was an 8' Stentorphone that lived up to its name with a vengeance.   If the 16' reed is still there in all its glory and the 32' sounds forth = in complement, that should be one heck of a pedal division!   Bob Lind     Gary Black wrote:   List, I work for Howell Pipe Organs of Sterling, IL in the summer and went to the shop today to get some pipe trays for my 2 ranks of pipes that I just bought. They are putting in a 32' bombarde in the organ that was = just finished this past Fall at St. Ita's in Chicago. The new 12 note = extension was built by F.J. Rogers of the United Kingdom. I can't wait to hear what it will sound like when finished.      
(back) Subject: Jean-Baptiste Lully From: <Hell-Felix@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:54:10 +0100 (CET)   Dear Listmembers,   I recently listened six lovely pieces, composed by Lully, called "Air de Trompette", performed on organ and trumpet. Question: does anybody of you know about a transcrption for organ alone? If not, I will probably have to do it.   If you think, that this is not of general interest, please mail me privately.   Felix  
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes") From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:56:28 -0500   When Casavant revamped in '90 the IV/120+ 1963 Phelpsavant in Calvary = Episcopal, Pittsburgh, they did a lot of work on the reeds, reportedly including soldering up the = scrolls at the tops of the resonators. So all maintenance since has been done solely on the wires and = the reeds are becoming increasingly 'difficult.' I don't know the pressures.   I guess they had their reasons.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Jean-Baptiste Lully From: <Hell-Felix@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:40:45 +0100 (CET)     Dear Listmembers,   I recently listened to six lovely pieces, composed by Lully, called "Air de Trompette", performed on organ and trumpet. Question: does anybody of you know about a transcrption for organ alone? If not, I will probably have to do it.   If you think, that this is not of general interest, please mail me privately.   Felix  
(back) Subject: Re: Archival copying to a CD From: "Art" <sirartimus110@netscape.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:10:07 -0500   Can not compare the two (LPs to CDs). Even with (very) expensive cartridges and meticulous handling, LPs on their very first playing on a turntable don't have the sound quality CD's do. And then it's all down hill after that. Dust, dirt and fine scratches degrade the sound not to mention the subsonic noise that can make your loud speakers walk right out of the cabinets if you don't have the subsonic filter in line. I don't think modern amplifiers have that feature any more. No thanks gentlemen. I'll keep my CDs. My old ones (10+ years) sound as good as the day I bought them. As the one gentleman pointed out, the solid state laser just needs to have it's lens cleaned once in a while. Cleaning CD's - use soap (Joy, Dawn, etc.) a sponge, and cold or lukewarm water. DO NOT USE THE SPONGE IN A ROTATIONAL MANNER. Scrub from the center outwards like cleaning the spokes of a wheel. Smudges from handling with our fingers can cause reading errors much more likely than scratches. To scratch a CD into uselessness requires effort. They really are durable. There is one thing that CDs don't have that LPs did, album art. I miss album art.   Art Schwalbenberg   jovanderlee@vassar.edu wrote:   >> Of course most CD's are ruined by scratches just like any LP is. > > > Not quite. > The scratches are in the protective layer. The data underneath is > intact. There are several machines on the market to repair those > scratches, try www.heartlandamerica.com. > > Or use a 3 stage polish process made by NOVUS. This product is carried > by many tool and electronics distributors. > > On a related note - if people complain that their CD PLAYER has > started to skip or suddenly stops reading the tracks, ask them where > it lives. In a smoky or greasy environment the laser lens often gets > dirty and fails to read. A Q tip and some alcohol, or Windex(or > similar product) even, when gently brushed on the lens and allowedt > otryhas brought many a CD player back to life for me. > > Another reason to quit smoking! > > John V > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Electronic vs. Pipe From: "Art" <sirartimus110@netscape.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:26:17 -0500   She is in for a real treat. Tell me I have been "out of the loop" in regards to the organ community. Have high quality electronic organs evolved to the point of being indistinguishable from pipes?   Arthur Schwalbenberg      
(back) Subject: RE: Electronic vs. Pipe From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:25:15 -0500   Art:   This is a dangerous topic on any organ list...LOL!!   My feeling is that the new Renaissance instruments by Allen are nice sounding. I will not say it is indistinguishable from pipes. However, the instruments are a LOT more credible then they were 5 - 10 years ago.   Enough said!!!! LOL   Charles E. Brown Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero Beginning Dreamweaver MX Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Art Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:26 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Electronic vs. Pipe   She is in for a real treat. Tell me I have been "out of the loop" in regards to the organ community. Have high quality electronic organs evolved to the point of being indistinguishable from pipes?   Arthur Schwalbenberg       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Archival copying to a CD From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:29:55 -0500   At 01:10 PM 2/13/03 -0500, Art wrote: > Can not compare the two (LPs to CDs).   Art,   You seem to think that we want to replace CDs with LPs, - that is not so. What I, and others are doing is to preserve some of the recordings that came out on LP, and which are very unlikely to ever become available on CD.   Of my own collection of LPs, some 6,000 of them, maybe about 200 of them have returned to the catalogues in the form of CDs. Most of the other LPs =   are well worth the effort of cleaning them up.   By using the software that is available, such as Digital Audio Restoration =   Technology, or Groove Mechanic it is possible to improve on the original sound. I mostly use these techniques to restore old LPs that I buy in the =   Goodwill stores, and often have been mistreated, with surface scratches or =   pops and clicks.   Yesterday I bought an LP that was as good as new, no surface noise, no clicks or pops, which is very unusual. The reason was soon to be found out, it was of two string quartets, one by Hindemith and the other by Malipiero, - no wonder it was in good condition, the music was not worth a =   second hearing! It is going to be given back to the store for them to = find another sucker!   I also saw an LP by E.Power Biggs, playing a number of old war horses on the St.John the Divine NYC organ, that I didn't buy, but I think that I should go back to see if it is still there.   So although most of us might agree with you on the quality of CDs, don't overlook the treasures of the past that may never see the light of day again.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:41:36 -0600   At 9:45 AM -0600 02/13/03, lindr@cch.com wrote: >Does this mean that the Wicks organ at St. Ita's has been removed? I >remember hearing Litaize in recital there circa 1958, and Edward >Eigenschenk recorded some Langlais perhaps a couple of years before that. >The 16' reed (Trombone?) was anything but shy, and there was an 8' >Stentorphone that lived up to its name with a vengeance. > >If the 16' reed is still there in all its glory and the 32' sounds forth = in >complement, that should be one heck of a pedal division!   Bob   I visited St. Ita's last summer at the beginning of the OHS Convention. One of my teachers, Rene Dosogne, was the organist there while I was in collage and I had a fondness for that organ - it didn't sound like most other WICKS.   The Howell Company of Sterling Illinois has been rebuilding it and when I was there it was still in process. The console has been moved down to the lower Gallery and the whole Great has been extended forward. Most of it is now being put on Electric Slider chests instead of the original Wicks Direct-Electric chests. Actually, over the years there was major water damage in the chambers to the original chests so there was no way they could be restored. In the process I think they are also expanding some of the divisions but I think most of the original pipework is being retained.   That 16' Bombarde is AWESOME!! I think it is being retained and the 32' octave is being added to extend it downwards. i have the old Eigenschenk recording and that Bombarde really 'comes through" on that recording in the Langlais - the recording dates from i think, 1954. In my opinion part of the reason that the Bombarde sounds like it does is due to the placement on the outside of the side chambers speaking right up to the curved ceiling that probably helps direct the sound.   i can't remember exactly, but i think i have a copy of the new, revised stoplist but will have to hunt for it. And since we are leaving for Florida on Saturday with our new organ for Sarasota, [minor plug - http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com/churchof.htm ] I may not have time to do that hunt this week.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes") From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:43:22 -0600   At 10:56 AM -0500 02/13/03, Stan Yoder wrote: >When Casavant revamped in '90 the IV/120+ 1963 Phelpsavant in >Calvary Episcopal, Pittsburgh, they >did a lot of work on the reeds, reportedly including soldering up >the scrolls at the tops of the >resonators. So all maintenance since has been done solely on the >wires and the reeds are becoming >increasingly 'difficult.' I don't know the pressures.   Unfortunately, the Casavant company seems to have done this on many of their older reeds so they could cut them "dead-length" And they are a problem in many cases following that treatment   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Jean-Baptiste Lully From: <Hell-Felix@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:59:17 +0100 (CET)   Of course, I listened "to" these loveley pieces. Sorry for the mistake. I obviously write to fast, and don't check properly then.   Felix Hell schrieb: > Dear Listmembers, > > I recently listened six lovely pieces, composed by > Lully, > called "Air de Trompette", performed on organ and > trumpet. Question: does anybody of you know about > a transcrption for organ alone? If not, I will > probably have to do it. > > If you think, that this is not of general interest, > please mail me privately. > > Felix > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the > individual con- > tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners > nor of the Uni- > versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list > commands, send mail to > listserv@listserv.albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT > or see the web > page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic vs. Pipe From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:56:56 -0500   A dangerous topic indeed, but why mention a manufacturers product by name when just about anybody connected with organs of any kind knows that "A" brand is probably the least of all sounding close to a real pipe organ. = LOL !! YES, you can do so much better !!!!!!!!!!!!   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Electronic vs. Pipe     > Art: > > This is a dangerous topic on any organ list...LOL!! > > My feeling is that the new Renaissance instruments by Allen are nice > sounding. I will not say it is indistinguishable from pipes. However, > the instruments are a LOT more credible then they were 5 - 10 years ago. > > Enough said!!!! LOL > > Charles E. Brown > Author - Fireworks MX From Zero to Hero > Beginning Dreamweaver MX > Contributor - The Macromedia Studio MX Bible > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Art > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:26 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Electronic vs. Pipe > > She is in for a real treat. Tell me I have been "out of the loop" in > regards to the organ community. Have high quality electronic organs > evolved to the point of being indistinguishable from pipes? > > Arthur Schwalbenberg > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Archival copying to a CD From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:04:12 +1300   Hear Hear! Me, too, keeping and preserving old stuff.   I don't know of "Groove Mechanic" but have read on this List that it's = good software. Where can it be obtained and for how much?   I keep my 78s for the reason you have given for keeping the vinyl lp's - there is a lot of interesting stuff that would be otherwise unobtainable = and lost. I have, for example, a wonderful 80rpm record, made about 1906, of Dame Clara Butt. This is in A1 condition and has no discernible surface noise when played on my 1923 floor-model phongraph.   Several times, I've had friends round for 78rpm evenings and play only = stuff not available on lp or CD. I think, for example, of a wonderfully funny 10" 78 of "The Song of the Prune" that makes everyone dissolve into hysterics. The first verse goes something like this   Now matter how young a prune may be It's always full of wrinkles, We get them on our face, Prunes get them every place.   And I can think of the two Pre-WWII comedians, the Two Black Crows. They made truly dreadful puns, like "No matter how hungry a horse is, it can't eat a bit".   And another, a fantasia on Carmen, for solo xylophone.   And another, of Tchaikovsky melodies played on baritone saxophone accompanied by "Grand Church Pipe Organ".   But I also love the new. One of my recent treasures bought for just $3 brandnew is a CD of very old Bulgarian Orthodox music. Might sound = esoteric, but the music and musicianship are just incredibly moving.   Ross          
(back) Subject: RE: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes") From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:01:31 -0500   When I worked for a Casavant rep. years ago we were constantly soldering = up scrolls and dead-lengthening reeds. The idea was that it made the pipes = more "stable" and just generally improved them. For a few years, part of the process involved reshaping English style shallots by melting sealing wax inside the shallot...and Voila! We could turn a set of smooth cornopeans into C-C. trompettes.   We stopped the waxing after a few years.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Stan Yoder Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:56 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")   When Casavant revamped in '90 the IV/120+ 1963 Phelpsavant in Calvary Episcopal, Pittsburgh, they did a lot of work on the reeds, reportedly including soldering up the scrolls at the tops of the resonators. So all maintenance since has been done solely on the wires and the reeds are becoming increasingly 'difficult.' I don't know the pressures.   I guess they had their reasons.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh