PipeChat Digest #3453 - Thursday, February 13, 2003
 
Re: Jewish organ music
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
RE: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds
  by <Quentsmith@aol.com>
Re: Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net>
Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Digital Vs. Pipes
  by "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net>
Re: Digital Vs. Pipes
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Jean-Baptiste Lully
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Jewish organ music
  by <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Jewish organ music
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Jewish organ music
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net>
Re: Jewish organ music
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
what kind of chest to use
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: what kind of chest to use
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organ music From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:45:51 -0600     Herman Berlinski is a good start for Jewish service music.       Jon Bertschinger  
(back) Subject: RE: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes") From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:09:25 -0500   ..   Unfortunately, the Casavant company seems to have done this on many of their older reeds so they could cut them "dead-length" And they are a problem in many cases following that treatment   David   I have a new customer that had an old oboe deslotted and dead-lengthened. There were a few minor repairs made as well. This rank is now completely useless. It won't stay in tune for 5 minutes and it cost the church about = 4 years ago $8,000 Canadian dollars! (almost $5,000 USD) I'm not kidding, I have the paperwork to prove it. The horrible thing about it is they could have had a new oboe installed = for a few thousand $ less ...but I don't dare tell them, they've suffered enough. AjM      
(back) Subject: Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds From: <Quentsmith@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:53:50 EST   Since you guys exposed your flanks, I thought I would add my $1.50 = (inflation from 2 cents) worth. My wife Karen, who just got out of the hospital with blood clots in her lungs, took delivery of her Rodgers Trillium 967 three manual organ in our home last week. The Rodgers 967 is the largest three manual that they make. The pipe sampled sounds are done in stereo, two = mikes per pipe, at the lip and at the top to pick up all nuances of the pipe = sample and plays back in stereo. The RSS reverb system speaks in quadraphonic = sound from all angles. The 16' Bourdon on the pedal when one note is played, the =   air gushing out of the pipe can be distinctly heard, it is uncanny. The = organ has three 32' stops and has to date: Brought down a six story building = three blocks away, caused a mini sunami in the Pacific, we are 25 miles away, = and set a record at Berkley for earthquake phenomenon (8.6 on the Richter).The =   celestes are so sweet that I now have become diabetic and have to take insulin. All kidding aside, this organ reproduces pipe sound to the 'nth degree and along with authentic organ pipes added will play digitally and with pipes together without one knowing which is which. The organ is the equivalent of 150 ranks of pipes and with our house at 2,500 square feet, = the three 32' pedal stops would, if real pipes, would stick 16' higher than = our roof. Electronic instruments do have their place, I could not, one afford = a pipe organ of this magnitude, two have the space for it and three detect = the difference when the organ is played in a large church. Karen is enjoying = her new organ, helping her to rehabiltate a lot quicker. Bring on the = naysayers. Quentin & Karen Smith  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:58:18 -0500   Bring it on....I'll bet my sensitive ears can tell the difference. ;-)   Marika (also known as "the Batgirl")   Quentsmith@aol.com wrote:   >Since you guys exposed your flanks, I thought I would add my $1.50 = (inflation >from 2 cents) worth. My wife Karen, who just got out of the hospital with =   >blood clots in her lungs, took delivery of her Rodgers Trillium 967 three =   >manual organ in our home last week. The Rodgers 967 is the largest three >manual that they make. The pipe sampled sounds are done in stereo, two = mikes >per pipe, at the lip and at the top to pick up all nuances of the pipe = sample >and plays back in stereo. The RSS reverb system speaks in quadraphonic = sound >from all angles. The 16' Bourdon on the pedal when one note is played, = the >air gushing out of the pipe can be distinctly heard, it is uncanny. The = organ >has three 32' stops and has to date: Brought down a six story building = three >blocks away, caused a mini sunami in the Pacific, we are 25 miles away, = and >set a record at Berkley for earthquake phenomenon (8.6 on the = Richter).The >celestes are so sweet that I now have become diabetic and have to take >insulin. All kidding aside, this organ reproduces pipe sound to the 'nth >degree and along with authentic organ pipes added will play digitally and =   >with pipes together without one knowing which is which. The organ is the >equivalent of 150 ranks of pipes and with our house at 2,500 square feet, = the >three 32' pedal stops would, if real pipes, would stick 16' higher than = our >roof. Electronic instruments do have their place, I could not, one afford = a >pipe organ of this magnitude, two have the space for it and three detect = the >difference when the organ is played in a large church. Karen is enjoying = her >new organ, helping her to rehabiltate a lot quicker. Bring on the = naysayers. >Quentin & Karen Smith > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >   -- Jungian Type: INTJ Wireless: 201 747 4219        
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes") From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:07:48 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: RE: Casavant reeds (was "new pipes")     > We stopped the waxing after a few years.   You mean the waxing has been waning?   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Vs. Pipes From: "Teah" <teahzg@charter.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:19:41 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C2D39D.3D71F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello Antoni,   Regarding Eminent and Cantor: I didn't care much for the Eminent sound = =3D or canned stop list. I was very impressed with the sound quality and =3D craftsmanship of the Cantor product and took delivery of a Cantor =3D Positive last summer. I am more than pleased with the instrument. The = =3D Musicom system is incredible! Very "life like". Nothing at all like =3D listening to recorded digital sample technology.   Tim Grenz ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Antoni Scott=3D20 To: Pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: Digital Vs. Pipes     List:   The debate will go on forever, regarding pipes vs. digital. I had an opportunity to play a wonderful pipe organ with Allen digital = =3D additions. It was about 50% reap pipes and 50% digital.=3D20 Although each pipe stop was not duplicated with a digital counterpart = =3D (that would be redundant and wasteful), there was an opportunity to =3D compare the attack, steady state and decay of each digital note to a =3D similar(not the same) real pipe. Playing a digital organ without any =3D real pipes leaves you with an entirely different feeling than playing a = =3D real pipe organ with digital additions. I would say that the digital =3D additions were worth adding in some situations (i.e. 32' Pedal Reed and = =3D Flue's) and not worth adding in others (Solo reeds). I was disappointed = =3D in the digital Solo reeds, as was I disappointed in the Mixtures. This =3D particular organ had one of those "add a few more stops" digital =3D contraption located under the right hand stop jamb. I added a Mixture IV = =3D to real pipes and it sounded OK, but when I added the real pipe Mixture = =3D IV plus the digital Mixture IV and threw it out of tune a little, it =3D seemed to improve the ensemble.   I also played a very large digital / pipe organ (100 equivalent ranks, = =3D 30 of them being real pipes) and many of the stops were duplicated =3D digital and pipe. The pipes stood out much better, but to the credit of = =3D Allen, the digital technology was 10 years old and they have improved =3D somewhat today.   Has anyone played an Eminent or Cantor ?     Antoni Scott=3D20     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date: 2/10/2003 ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C2D39D.3D71F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello Antoni,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Regarding Eminent and =3D Cantor:&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn't=3D20 care much for the Eminent sound or canned stop list.&nbsp; I was very =3D impressed=3D20 with the sound quality and craftsmanship of the Cantor product&nbsp;and = =3D took=3D20 delivery of a Cantor Positive last summer.&nbsp; I am more than pleased = =3D with the=3D20 instrument.&nbsp; The Musicom system is incredible!&nbsp; Very "life=3D20 like".&nbsp; Nothing at all like listening to recorded digital sample=3D20 technology.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tim Grenz</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dascott@ptd.net href=3D3D"mailto:ascott@ptd.net">Antoni =3D Scott</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DPipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Pipechat@pipechat.org">Pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 13, = =3D 2003 5:40=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Digital Vs. =3D Pipes</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>List:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>The debate will go on forever, regarding pipes vs. = =3D   digital.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>I had an opportunity to play a wonderful pipe =3D organ with=3D20 Allen digital additions. It was about 50% reap pipes and 50% = digital.=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>Although each&nbsp;pipe stop was not duplicated = =3D with a=3D20 digital counterpart (that would be redundant and wasteful), there was = =3D an=3D20 opportunity to compare the attack, steady state and decay of each =3D digital note=3D20 to a similar(not the same) real pipe. Playing a digital organ without = =3D any real=3D20 pipes leaves you with an entirely different feeling than playing a =3D real pipe=3D20 organ with digital additions. I would say that the digital additions =3D were=3D20 worth adding in some situations (i.e. 32' Pedal Reed and Flue's) and =3D not worth=3D20 adding in others (Solo reeds). I was disappointed in the digital Solo = =3D reeds,=3D20 as was I disappointed in the Mixtures. This particular organ had one =3D of those=3D20 "add a few more stops" digital contraption located under the right =3D hand stop=3D20 jamb. I added a Mixture IV to real pipes and it sounded OK, but when I = =3D added=3D20 the real pipe&nbsp;Mixture IV plus the digital&nbsp;Mixture IV and =3D threw it=3D20 out of tune a little, it seemed to improve the ensemble.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>I also played a very large digital / pipe organ = =3D (100=3D20 equivalent ranks, 30 of them being real pipes) and many of the stops =3D were=3D20 duplicated digital and pipe. The pipes stood out much better, but to =3D the=3D20 credit of Allen, the digital technology was 10 years old and they have = =3D   improved somewhat&nbsp;today.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>Has anyone played an Eminent or Cantor =3D ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5>Antoni Scott</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =3D size=3D3D5></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D5><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified Virus =3D Free.<BR>Checked=3D20 by AVG anti-virus system (<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: = =3D 6.0.454=3D20 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date:=3D20 2/10/2003</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C2D39D.3D71F580--    
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Vs. Pipes From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:18:19 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Craig" <neil.craig@softhome.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Digital Vs. Pipes   > Download the (short) excerpts from their CD and review their technology pages. > This is a bleeding-edge digitial system.   Why would listening to the CD help? If it was digitally sampled from a = pipe organ, the digital system would sound like a digital recording of a pipe organ. And on a CD -- which is digital -- a pipe organ would sound like a digital recording of a pipe organ too. Because it WOULD BE a digital recording of a pipe organ. Assuming the original voicing that was sampled was equally good, they would be BOUND to sound equally good. To compare = the two in any meaningful way you would have to listen to the actual = electronic and the actual pipe organ in the flesh. CD's only obfuscate things.   John Speller        
(back) Subject: Re: Jean-Baptiste Lully From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:33:01 -0500   Funny you should cross paths with Lully, Felix.   from http://www.unt.edu/lully/Reference/Lullybio.html:   According to an interview published posthumously in the Mercure galant, = Lully insisted that he had "never learned more about music than he had known at = the age of 17 but that he had worked all his life to perfect this knowledge."   I'm glad to hear that you're still taking lessons, but all the same, do us = fans a favor: stay away from politics and, especially, conducting!   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organ music From: <patmai@juno.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:56:21 -0500   Dear Alan and Pipechatters,   Yes, please.. by all means! Let's have details on the conversion of the father of a talented young Felix of the nineteenth century, whose 200th birthday will be celebrated in February 2009.   >13 Feb 2003 19:33:18 -0500 Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > I believe it was Felix' father, Moses?, who converted. Did him no > good. More on that later, if asked, I think. > Alan Looking forward to learning more about the upbringing of Felix M., whose sister Fannie M. Hensel was also a talented musician and composer of organ music. Pat Maimone Post Chapel, West Point, NY III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller/Gress-Miles patmai@juno.com   ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organ music From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:16:00 -0500   > I know about Mendelssohn, who converted from Judaism > to Christianity so far as I know, but is there any > real organ music by purely Jewish organists/composers? > > With many synogogues having organs, I just wondered.   How about Louis Lewandowski (1821 - 1894, Berlin)? His synagogue melodies =   have been and other works have been recorded on the Olympia label. I = thought it was nice stuff. I haven't seen his works in print, though.   And of course, there's Ernst Bloch, whom others mentioned at length.   There is a suite, Five Preludes, by Mario Castelnouvo-Tedesco. Does = anyone know anything about him and his music?   There are bound to be others. Very interesting topic!   Cheers, TommyLee Whitlock    
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organ music From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:15:23 -0500   I have always assumed the Dedications - Five Preludes for Organ by Jaromir Weinberger were composed for Jewish Services.   Titles: 1. Miriam 2. Rachel 3. Ruth 4. Deborah 5. Esther   Copyright 1954, H.W. Gray     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com      
(back) Subject: Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:55:19 -0600   > Does this mean that the Wicks organ at St. Ita's has been removed? > The 16' reed (Trombone?) was anything but shy, and there was an 8' > Stentorphone that lived up to its name with a vengeance. > > If the 16' reed is still there in all its glory and the 32' sounds forth in > complement, that should be one heck of a pedal division! > It's worth mentioning that this organ is a near copy of the Wicks in St. Mary's Cathedral in Peoria, Illinois. (http://www.wicks.com/organ/specs/1503.htm) St. Ita's is bigger, however, with the addition of a Solo division on a fourth manual. Peoria's organ = was designed by Henry Vincent Willis, and even though he was no longer working on organs in 1949 when St. Ita's was built, a lot of his work and style (including the 16' Bombarde) was carried over into the new organ. It was called Peoria Plus. It's something to hear, and yes, the Stentorphone is amazing.   Simon Nieminski recorded a CD on Peoria's organ, and you can find information and listen to a couple of tracks on the wicks website at http://www.wicks.com/organ/recordings.htm .     Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/organwebring The Organ Classifieds http://www.organclassifieds.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Jewish organ music From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:05:54 -0600   Ludwig Altman, published several preludes on Jewish melodies.... he was = the organist at Berlin's "New Synagogue" from 1933-1936.... for many years he was organist at the Temple Emanu-El in San Francisco.   I understand that there are Darius Milhaud composed some works for use in Jewish services, though I have never heard any of them.   Sand Lawn    
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:21:35 -0500   How does it compare to an Allen ?   Antoni ----- Original Message ----- From: <Quentsmith@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: Electronic Organ Pipe Sounds     > Since you guys exposed your flanks, I thought I would add my $1.50 (inflation > from 2 cents) worth. My wife Karen, who just got out of the hospital = with > blood clots in her lungs, took delivery of her Rodgers Trillium 967 = three > manual organ in our home last week. The Rodgers 967 is the largest three > manual that they make. The pipe sampled sounds are done in stereo, two mikes > per pipe, at the lip and at the top to pick up all nuances of the pipe sample > and plays back in stereo. The RSS reverb system speaks in quadraphonic sound > from all angles. The 16' Bourdon on the pedal when one note is played, = the > air gushing out of the pipe can be distinctly heard, it is uncanny. The organ > has three 32' stops and has to date: Brought down a six story building three > blocks away, caused a mini sunami in the Pacific, we are 25 miles away, and > set a record at Berkley for earthquake phenomenon (8.6 on the = Richter).The > celestes are so sweet that I now have become diabetic and have to take > insulin. All kidding aside, this organ reproduces pipe sound to the 'nth > degree and along with authentic organ pipes added will play digitally = and > with pipes together without one knowing which is which. The organ is the > equivalent of 150 ranks of pipes and with our house at 2,500 square = feet, the > three 32' pedal stops would, if real pipes, would stick 16' higher than our > roof. Electronic instruments do have their place, I could not, one = afford a > pipe organ of this magnitude, two have the space for it and three detect the > difference when the organ is played in a large church. Karen is enjoying her > new organ, helping her to rehabiltate a lot quicker. Bring on the naysayers. > Quentin & Karen Smith > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: 32' Bombarde & St. Ita's From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:18:33 -0500   Since Willis and a powerful Stentorphone are mentioned almost together, = I'm wondering if the latter is of double-languid construction?   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: what kind of chest to use From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:52:20 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0282_01C2D3B2.9080E140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   HI list, What kind of a chest should be used for a 16' fagotto, =3D electro-pneumatic or electro-mechanical and why? Thanks, Gary ------=3D_NextPart_000_0282_01C2D3B2.9080E140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>HI list,&nbsp; What kind of a chest = =3D should be used=3D20 for a 16' fagotto, electro-pneumatic or electro-mechanical and =3D why?&nbsp;=3D20 Thanks,&nbsp; Gary</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0282_01C2D3B2.9080E140--      
(back) Subject: Re: what kind of chest to use From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:58:15 -0600   > Gary Black wrote: > HI list, What kind of a chest should be used for a 16' fagotto, > electro-pneumatic or electro-mechanical and why? Thanks, Gary   You can use either type, but I think you'll find that the pipes will speak with better behavior on electro-Pneumatic action. Much of it simply depends upon the physical size of the valve and what the magnets are capable of delivering. Peterson SuperValves can do the job, but the wind tends to go up the Toe Hole on an angle due to the pivot design of the valve. The wind enters the Toe Hole straighter with an E.P. pouch design because it drops straight, rather than on an angle.   One "trick" is to Offset the pipes to help obviate that effect, although reeds certainly don't like being treated that way.   You should be able to pick up a decent EP Offset chest for your basses pretty reasonably.   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL