PipeChat Digest #3459 - Friday, February 14, 2003
 
Re: How does the Rodgers sound compared to an Allen
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: How does the Rodgers sound compared to an Allen
  by "TRAVIS EVANS" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
Re: Liking to sleep at night. (Warning: LONG!). .
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: IRC Sessions - Windows XP
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: IRC Sessions - Windows XP
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Rodgers, Allen, flowers that bloom in spring, tra la
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: How does the Rodgers sound compared to an Allen From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:50:29 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C2D427.A7148C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   As is usually the case, all the words used between everybody in this =3D group does nothing to actually describe what a particular brand sounds =3D like. The best thing a potential buyer can do is: Don't listen to anybody =3D telling you this organ or that organ, as a smart buyer go out and LISTEN = =3D with your own ears what sounds best to you. Reputable dealers will have = =3D several organs in their showrooms or other installations for you to play = =3D or listen to. Also do not make the assumption that just because a few brands have a =3D certain perceived reputation about quality or have been around longer =3D than others that they make superior instruments. You will discover that = =3D the opposite may be true. Check out the manufacturers websites, read between the lines, eliminate = =3D all the technical jargon since it doesn't mean much, make a list of =3D organs you like to see, then make appointments with the dealers and =3D spend at least 2 hours with each organ. As always, buyer beware, and your own ears and purse should make the =3D decision. Don't buy anything until you have at least heard 4 different brands.   Gary   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: TRAVIS EVANS=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: How does the Rodgers sound compared to an Allen     I am usually not one to jump into the very OLD, and WORN OUT =3D discussion of pipe v. digital and Digital Brand A against Digital Brand = =3D B. However, I do feel compelled for some strange reason to respond to =3D the following.=3D20   Quentsmith@aol.com wrote:=3D20   <<To the questioner: How does it compare to an Allen? The Rodgers is = =3D far=3D20 superior to the Allen organ in replay of the sampled sounds, in = the=3D20 reproduction of pipe organ phenonomana and the integration with =3D actual pipes. >>     As with ANYTHING in this world, preferences are unique to each and =3D every individual. Saying one item is superior to another is subjective. = =3D Especially when it comes to sound. There is not one thing that two =3D people see, hear, feel the same, it is impossible as no two people are =3D alike. Therefore we have slight prejudices against that which we do not = =3D like as well. Organs not being exempt from that.   <<3. The Allen does=3D20 not use sampled digital sounds underneath the pipe stops, they only = =3D play=3D20 pipes. The Rodgers will play digital sampled sounds along and under = =3D the=3D20 pipes, the tuning is adjustable to meet the tuning of the pipes that = =3D day,=3D20 they always change. By having a sampled stop underneath the pipe =3D stop is an=3D20 advantage two ways. One is if the rank goes for some reason, you can = =3D have it=3D20 reproduced without the loss of the rank, you just play the digital =3D stop.=3D20 Also, if you want to do concerts outside of the hall or church, you = =3D can play=3D20 the organ with all digital stops, moving the console to the site to = =3D be=3D20 played. It can then be hooked up to the pipes again upon return.>>   One should always exhaust all possible information sources before =3D proceeding to make statement. Which it may very well be that some =3D installations do not have the digital stops playing along with the pipes = =3D on SOME Allen pipe/digital combos, it is not the rule. An available =3D option on the Allen is to have 1) Only Digital Stops 2) Pipes in =3D addition to the Digital stops or 3) have the digital stops that have a =3D corresponding real Pipe rank to be replaced completely by the Pipes. =3D Personally I can not see the hassle of removing an entire installation =3D for ONE concert. Because it involves more than just moving the Console.   << Rodgers also has the=3D20 RSS reverb system that plays in quadraphonic sound and is adjustable = =3D to 64=3D20 different combinations. The Rodgers goes from small room and wood =3D walls to=3D20 cathedral and marble walls, giving a reverb of 10 seconds or more, =3D the Allen=3D20 has less combinations. Rodgers also uses this with pipes. In a dead = =3D room a=3D20 digital organ or a pipe organ has no natural reverberation. Now =3D digital=3D20 organs have the reverb built in , but Rodgers takes it one step =3D further with=3D20 their pipe/digital combination. Normally the pipes in a dead room =3D would not=3D20 reverberate but the digital pipe sounds would, setting off a =3D distortion when=3D20 both are played together. Now Rodgers puts omni-directional mikes in = =3D the=3D20 pipe chambers at selected points, merges this sound with the digital = =3D sounds=3D20 and all the organ sounds now come out in quadraphonic reverb =3D stereo.>>   In my opinion, and which is only opinion, not to be construed to be = =3D a universally accepted view. The digital reverb is a waste. What good = =3D is having the organ sound like its in a cathedral when the congregation = =3D stops singing their voices to not continue to reverberate, or in any =3D instrumentalists are playing their sound will not either. I feel that =3D this creates more of a "distortion" than allowing the natural acoustics = =3D of the room to do its 'thing' no matter how good or bad that may be. As = =3D might possibly be agreed the room is one of the determining factors of =3D the success/demise of an instrument.   <<We really love our new Rodgers and we listened to the Allen =3D before making our choice. I would recommend to those that have a =3D dealership of Rodgers or Allen nearby, to go there and listen as the =3D technology for both companies has jumped tremendously in the last two or = =3D three years. You will be surprised, I am sure about how the new digital = =3D organs sound. Not every church or home can afford or have the room for a = =3D pipe organ, though one is ideal, the next best is a digitally sampled =3D pipe sound.=3D20   Quentin Smith>>   I am glad that you are happy with your instrument. However as =3D stated above "go there and listen to the technology for BOTH companies." = =3D Make a decision based on what will best fit the needs of the =3D congregation no matter who the builder is. If we all liked the same =3D thing there wouldn't be the wide variety of builders.   Travis Evans     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C2D427.A7148C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>As is usually the case, all the words = =3D used between=3D20 everybody in this group does nothing to actually describe what a =3D particular=3D20 brand sounds like.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The best thing a potential buyer can = do =3D is: Don't=3D20 listen to anybody telling you this organ or that organ, as a smart buyer = =3D go out=3D20 and LISTEN with your own ears what sounds best to you.&nbsp; Reputable =3D dealers=3D20 will have several organs in their showrooms or other installations for =3D you to=3D20 play or listen to.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Also do not make the assumption that = =3D just because a=3D20 few brands have a certain perceived reputation about quality&nbsp;or =3D have been=3D20 around longer than others that they make superior instruments.&nbsp; You = =3D will=3D20 discover that the opposite may be true.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Check out the =3D manufacturers&nbsp;websites, read=3D20 between the lines, eliminate all the technical jargon since =3D it&nbsp;doesn't mean=3D20 much, make a list of organs you like to see, then make appointments with = =3D the=3D20 dealers and spend at least 2 hours with each organ.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>As always, buyer beware, and your own = =3D ears and=3D20 purse should make the decision.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Don't buy anything until you have at = =3D least heard 4=3D20 different brands.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dtevansmo@prodigy.net =3D href=3D3D"mailto:tevansmo@prodigy.net">TRAVIS=3D20 EVANS</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 14, 2003 = =3D 12:00=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: How does the =3D Rodgers sound=3D20 compared to an Allen</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I am usually not one to jump into the very OLD, and WORN OUT =3D discussion of=3D20 pipe v. digital and Digital Brand A against Digital Brand B.&nbsp; =3D However, I=3D20 do feel compelled for some strange reason to respond to the following. = =3D   <P>&nbsp;<B><I><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Quentsmith@aol.com">Quentsmith@aol.com</A></I></B> =3D wrote:=3D20 <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = =3D solid"> <P>&lt;&lt;To the questioner: How does it compare to an Allen? The =3D Rodgers=3D20 is far <BR>superior to the Allen organ in replay of the sampled =3D sounds, in=3D20 the <BR>reproduction of pipe organ phenonomana and the integration =3D with=3D20 actual pipes. &gt;&gt;<BR></P> <P>As with ANYTHING in this world, preferences are unique to each =3D and every=3D20 individual.&nbsp; Saying one item is superior to another is=3D20 subjective.&nbsp; Especially when it comes to sound.&nbsp; There is = =3D not one=3D20 thing that two people see, hear, feel the same, it is impossible as = =3D no two=3D20 people are alike.&nbsp; Therefore we have slight prejudices against = =3D that=3D20 which we do not like as well.&nbsp; Organs not being exempt from =3D that.</P> <P>&lt;&lt;3. The Allen does <BR>not use sampled digital sounds =3D underneath=3D20 the pipe stops, they only play <BR>pipes. The Rodgers will play =3D digital=3D20 sampled sounds along and under the <BR>pipes, the tuning is =3D adjustable to=3D20 meet the tuning of the pipes that day, <BR>they always change. By =3D having a=3D20 sampled stop underneath the pipe stop is an <BR>advantage two ways. = =3D One is=3D20 if the rank goes for some reason, you can have it <BR>reproduced =3D without the=3D20 loss of the rank, you just play the digital stop. <BR>Also, if you =3D want to=3D20 do concerts outside of the hall or church, you can play <BR>the =3D organ with=3D20 all digital stops, moving the console to the site to be <BR>played. = =3D It can=3D20 then be hooked up to the pipes again upon return.&gt;&gt;</P> <P>One should always exhaust all possible information sources before = =3D   proceeding to make statement.&nbsp; Which it may very well be that =3D some=3D20 installations do not have the digital stops playing along with the =3D pipes on=3D20 SOME Allen pipe/digital combos, it is not the rule.&nbsp; An =3D available=3D20 option on the Allen is to have 1) Only Digital Stops 2) Pipes in =3D addition to=3D20 the Digital stops or 3) have the digital stops that have a =3D corresponding=3D20 real Pipe rank to be replaced completely by the Pipes.&nbsp; =3D Personally I=3D20 can not see the hassle of removing an entire installation for ONE=3D20 concert.&nbsp; Because it involves more than just moving the =3D Console.</P> <P>&lt;&lt;&nbsp;Rodgers also has the <BR>RSS reverb system that =3D plays in=3D20 quadraphonic sound and is adjustable to 64 <BR>different =3D combinations. The=3D20 Rodgers goes from small room and wood walls to <BR>cathedral and =3D marble=3D20 walls, giving a reverb of 10 seconds or more, the Allen <BR>has less = =3D   combinations. Rodgers also uses this with pipes. In a dead room a=3D20 <BR>digital organ or a pipe organ has no natural reverberation. Now = =3D digital=3D20 <BR>organs have the reverb built in , but Rodgers takes it one step = =3D further=3D20 with <BR>their pipe/digital combination. Normally the pipes in a =3D dead room=3D20 would not <BR>reverberate but the digital pipe sounds would, setting = =3D off a=3D20 distortion when <BR>both are played together. Now Rodgers puts=3D20 omni-directional mikes in the <BR>pipe chambers at selected points, = =3D merges=3D20 this sound with the digital sounds <BR>and all the organ sounds now = =3D come out=3D20 in quadraphonic reverb stereo.&gt;&gt;</P> <P>In my opinion, and which is only opinion, not to be construed to = =3D be a=3D20 universally accepted view.&nbsp; The digital reverb is a =3D waste.&nbsp; What=3D20 good is having the organ sound like its in a cathedral when the =3D congregation=3D20 stops singing their voices to not continue to reverberate, or in any = =3D   instrumentalists are playing their sound will not either. I feel =3D that this=3D20 creates more of a "distortion" than allowing the natural acoustics =3D of the=3D20 room to do its 'thing' no matter how good or bad that may be.&nbsp; = =3D As might=3D20 possibly be agreed the room is one of the determining factors of the = =3D   success/demise of an instrument.</P> <P>&nbsp;&lt;&lt;We really love our new Rodgers and we listened to =3D the Allen=3D20 before making our choice. I would recommend to those that have a =3D dealership=3D20 of Rodgers or Allen nearby, to go there and listen as the technology = =3D for=3D20 both companies has jumped tremendously in the last two or three =3D years. You=3D20 will be surprised, I am sure about how the new digital organs sound. = =3D Not=3D20 every church or home can afford or have the room for a pipe organ, =3D though=3D20 one is ideal, the next best is a digitally sampled pipe sound. </P> <P>Quentin Smith&gt;&gt;</P> <P>I am glad that you are happy with your instrument.&nbsp; However = =3D as=3D20 stated above "go there and listen to the technology for BOTH=3D20 companies."&nbsp; Make a decision based on what will best fit the =3D needs of=3D20 the congregation no matter who the builder is.&nbsp; If we all liked = =3D the=3D20 same thing there wouldn't be the wide variety of builders.</P> <P>Travis Evans</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0022_01C2D427.A7148C70--    
(back) Subject: Re: How does the Rodgers sound compared to an Allen From: "TRAVIS EVANS" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:02:03 -0800 (PST)   --0-1160858010-1045245723=3D:6450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> wrote:As is usually the case, all = the words used between everybody in this group does nothing to actually = describe what a particular brand sounds like.The best thing a potential = buyer can do is: Don't listen to anybody telling you this organ or that = organ, as a smart buyer go out and LISTEN with your own ears what sounds = best to you. I doubt anyone can use words to describe sound, as I said = previously sound is subjective. What I describe as a firely 8' Trumpet, = will not be the same description someone else has. Also previously = suggested, go to the dealer and listen, as you also state. Travis Evans --0-1160858010-1045245723=3D:6450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>&nbsp; <P>&nbsp;<B><I>"G. Deboer" &lt;gdeboer@bluemarble.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As is usually the case, all the words = used between everybody in this group does nothing to actually describe = what a particular brand sounds like.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The best thing a potential buyer can do = is: Don't listen to anybody telling you this organ or that organ, as a = smart buyer go out and LISTEN with your own ears what sounds best to = you.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I doubt anyone can use words to describe sound, as I said = previously&nbsp;sound is subjective.&nbsp; What I describe as a firely 8' = Trumpet, will not be the same description someone else has.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>Also previously suggested, go to the dealer and listen, as you also = state.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Travis Evans</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> --0-1160858010-1045245723=3D:6450--  
(back) Subject: Re: Liking to sleep at night. (Warning: LONG!). . From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:33:59 EST     --part1_143.a9c1c4e.2b7e9ea7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/14/03 4:48:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes:     > However, in my book, there is a MAJOR difference between those > unfortunate events and the DELIBERATE, wanton ploy on the part of an > organ technician to be over-zealous, opportunistic salesmen for their > employers when they fully know (or certainly OUGHT to know!) that a few > moments with a screwdriver and a half-dozen 3/8" diameter leather > punchings will put things right. >   Gee.. I wonder if it's a "methodist" thing. I was in a UMC and was = having trouble with the organ technician not fixing things that would eventually signal the need for a major rebuild on a 1970's instrument. I went with =   this to the "board" time and again and the upshot of the deal was that I wound up fired by the minister. He was fired two months later. The particular technician has now closed his business. Sadly, this was a technician who was extremely respected and, still in my opinion is very honest. He, unfortunately, has been careless in the people to whom he has =   entrusted his long-distance business. He does not supervise, nor does he believe his clients when they complain.   My present situation fortunately has two fine technicians working on the instrument which works and stays in tune (even the Casavant reeds!! ... = well almostly!! ;-) ).   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_143.a9c1c4e.2b7e9ea7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/14/0=3D 3 4:48:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">However, in my book, = there=3D20=3D is a MAJOR difference between those <BR>unfortunate events and the DELIBERATE, wanton ploy on the part of an <BR>organ technician to be over-zealous, opportunistic salesmen for their <BR>employers when they fully know (or certainly OUGHT to know!) that a = few <BR>moments with a screwdriver and a half-dozen 3/8" diameter leather <BR>punchings will put things right. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Gee.. I wonder if it's a "methodist" thing. &nbsp;&nbsp;I was in a UMC = a=3D nd was having trouble with the organ technician not fixing things that = would=3D eventually signal the need for a major rebuild on a 1970's instrument. = &nbs=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;I went with this to the "board" time and again and the = upshot=3D20=3D of the deal was that I wound up fired by the minister. &nbsp;&nbsp;He was = fi=3D red two months later. &nbsp;&nbsp;The particular technician has now closed = h=3D is business. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sadly, this was a technician who was = ex=3D tremely respected and, still in my opinion is very honest. &nbsp;He, = unfortu=3D nately, has been careless in the people to whom he has entrusted his = long-di=3D stance business. &nbsp;He does not supervise, nor does he believe his = client=3D s when they complain. <BR> <BR>My present situation fortunately has two fine technicians working on = the=3D instrument which works and stays in tune (even the Casavant reeds!! ... = &nb=3D sp;well almostly!! ;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;). <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_143.a9c1c4e.2b7e9ea7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Sessions - Windows XP From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:37:20 -0500   Bob Conway has touched on an important side-subject (off-topic, but important! .. grin). I also am a Windows 98SE fan, but am curious about "adaptive software, (screen reading software)" - a quick explanation, perhaps?   Thanks! Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: Re: IRC Sessions - Windows XP     > At 08:17 AM 2/14/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Listers, > > > >Can anybody please tell me if IRC is Windows XP compatible? I had it > >running successfully on Windows 98, but since buying this new computer > >have found that many of my programs don't like XP. > > > >Cheers > > > >Paul > >EchoGamba@aol.com > > > Paul and others, > > It should be compatible, but there are some software programmes that = will > not work in Windows XP. > > Most of my adaptive software, (screen reading software), has problems = with > XP, and those of us who have to resort to adaptive software are advised = to > stay with Windows 98. > > I am still on Windows 98 for that reason, - you might check with mIRC about it. > > Bob Conway >    
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Sessions - Windows XP From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:30:53 -0500   At 03:37 PM 2/14/03 -0500, you wrote: >Bob Conway has touched on an important side-subject (off-topic, but >important! .. grin). I also am a Windows 98SE fan, but am curious about >"adaptive software, (screen reading software)" - a quick explanation, >perhaps? > >Thanks! Ed, in Maine   Ed, and others who may be interested,   I have very low vision, and I am unable to see well enough to read the = text on my monitor screen, so I have "adaptive software" that converts text to = a synthesized voice, and reads it to me.   I have "JAWS" which is a screen reader, IBM Home Page Reader, which is a Browser reader, I have ZoomText, which enlarges the text on the screen up to 16 times magnification, - but I do not like that as a blurred image, large or small, is still unreadable for me, but I have it!   My most useful software is without doubt, Kurzweil which in conjunction with a scanner, will scan, and then read to me any document that is on the =   scanner. But even that has pitfalls, for it cannot recognize hand written =   letters, but newsprint, pages of a book, Government Forms, all that sort = of stuff is read back to me very clearly.   I almost forgot IBM Via Voice, which allows me to speak my message into = the microphone, and it translates it into text on the screen, which it can = then read back to me. If this were 100% perfect, I would rate it above everything else that I have, but it is far from being perfect, and I have to spend too much time correcting it, so it has limited use for me.   The current wisdom is that whilst all of these applications will run on Windows 98, some of them are decidedly "iffy" when using Windows XP, so we =   advise our clients to stick with Windows 98 until it all gets sorted out, = - of course, by the time that is done, Bill Gates will have launched a new platform, and it will all have to be done again!   Until quite recently I was a volunteer, teaching people how to use this adaptive software at the local office of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, - but I can no longer get there as I co not drive my car = any more, and they cannot afford to pay for me to have a taxi there and back, = - there are no buses out where I live!   That's about it for "Adaptive Software", for totally blind people it is essential, and for people like myself, who can still see well enough to know what is on my dinner plate, it is extremely useful!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Rodgers, Allen, flowers that bloom in spring, tra la From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:29:06 -0800   I have recommended both at various times, and played both. I have no particular axe to grind with either.   Here's the thing: IF there are problems with Rodgers, they are (and these are not their fault):   (1) they've gone through a number of owners; as a result, the R & D dept. has taken different directions at different times; there has been a turn-over in R & D personnel.   I don't remember now who owned the company at the time (Mitsubishi?) but there was that infamous lighted rocker tab series of organs that were really FOUL (grin). That was back in the analog days.   (2) there is an inventory tax on IMPORTED parts. As a result, ten years is about the outside limit for stocking parts before a dealer starts losing money on them, so they don't stock them beyond that.   Apparently ALLEN doesn't have that problem ... perhaps because they MAKE UP parts for their older organs as needed. I needed a combo motherboard for a 30-year-old 301-C; they made it up and sent it to me.   (3) (and this WAS their fault) - the 800 number to Hillsboro was the best-kept secret in the industry, even for "factory-trained" techs. Answer a QUESTION? you've got to be KIDDING! It was THAT that caused me to stop working with them.   Allen may be a bit "we are OMNIPOTENT" on the phone, but at least they ANSWER it (grin).   I think Rogers' current preoccupation with additional MIDI sounds (choir alleluias on a drawknob, etc.) is probably aimed at the mega-church market that has use for such things ... I don't (grin).   I haven't had occasion to voice a new Rodgers OR a new Allen ... what I saw in the Allen dealership of the ability to voice a Renaissance from a laptop impressed me. Maybe somebody who has had experience voicing a new Rodgers can tell us about that.   A five-rank Wicks in an RC church seating 2000 wasn't atypical before Vatican II ... in most places, all the organ had to do was accompany a small choir, and perhaps the organist singing daily High Masses ... though I understand the latter was pretty much limited to the nationality parishes in the midwest and east.   Perhaps the Diapason-Flute-String-Celeste-Reed unit organ could be made into the Swell, and a new Great and Pedal added. But you'd probably need to do it all on electro-mechanical chests so everything will speak together. Or you could even add another used Diapason-Flute-String-Celeste-Reed unit organ.   A VINTAGE Wicks from BEFORE the "Screech and Squawk" era CAN be not-bad. Enlarging that IN THE STYLE could make a decent organ. But you need somebody who knows what they're DOING. The pendulum seems to be swinging back at Wicks now that their Tonal Director has retired. Perhaps they should be contacted FIRST.   Cheers,   Bud