PipeChat Digest #3469 - Sunday, February 16, 2003
 
Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net>
Need hymntune
  by "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Huge Church organs
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: Huge Church organs
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
RE: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
RE: Huge Church organs
  by "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com>
RE: Huge Church organs
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Need hymntune
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Blowing 35" water column pressure
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@ptd.net> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:34:10 -0500   All:   Bigger is always better. Huge organs are not as good as even bigger than huge organs. I have heard, and even played, the largest pipe organ in the world. It is a sound and feeling that defies description. The most = intense feeling is the anticipation just prior to depressing the keys. The mind is flooded with intense anticipation only to be satisfied by the most = glorious sound on the face of the earth. Reginald Foorte described it well back in the 1930's and it hasn't changed since then.   I had the priviledge of being present during the 1998 recording of the Midmer-Losh organ. Tragically, only a portion of the available 449 ranks were playable (160, I think ). Even now, the 100" Ophicleide added to the full organ (160 ranks) was a mind-boggling experience. I can't imagine the other three 100" reeds being added to the remaining 289 ranks that were available in 1932 !!!!   Wanamaker is the only organ, today, that comes close to the collosal = sound of the Midmer-Losh. Bigger is always better.     Antoni Scott    
(back) Subject: Need hymntune From: "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:42:04 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0036_01C2D5C9.92C32300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Folks     I am looking for the hymntune for "O God of Light, the dawning day- I =3D think its in the Hymnal 1940- I can't find my copy and its not in the =3D 1982 book Thanks Joe   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0036_01C2D5C9.92C32300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Folks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am looking for the hymntune for "O = =3D God of Light,=3D20 the dawning day- I think its in the Hymnal 1940- I can't find my copy =3D and its=3D20 not in the 1982 book</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Joe</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0036_01C2D5C9.92C32300--      
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:03:50 -0800   I wonder how many watts of audio system system and 24" to 30" woofers it would take to halfway come close to this...100" wow, how many acoustic watts, must be an awesome experience...the building must really shake.   Antoni Scott wrote: > Even now, the 100" Ophicleide added to the > full organ (160 ranks) was a mind-boggling experience. I can't imagine = the > other three 100" reeds being added to the remaining 289 ranks that were > available in 1932 !!!! > > Wanamaker is the only organ, today, that comes close to the collosal = sound > of the Midmer-Losh. Bigger is always better. > > Antoni Scott > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Glass/Plastic Music racks and 5-Manual Organs From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:04:56 -0600   I don't know how scratch resistant it is, but you'll certainly not break a piece of Lexan. St. Mary's Catholic Church in Fort Wayne burned about ten or twelve years ago because when it caught fire, the firefighters could not penetrate the Lexan covers over the huge stained glass windows. Try as they would, the fire axes just bounced off. What an irony that protecting the beautiful glass ended up destroying the building (a lightning strike started the fire).   The Wurlitzer Theatre Organ at Vincennes University has a glass music rack that is etched with the university seal. As for scratches or durability, I don't know how it's held up.   Now, about -five manual organs. Historically, there was a time when such a beast wasn't feasible; with the advent of Barker levers and electricity, it not only became feasible, but perhaps desirable in a very few places, especially when combination actions were primitive and limited..   But now we have modern combination actions with hundreds of levels. It seems to me that if there were ever a reason or a place for a five manual organ, it no longer exists. Indeed, I'm not even sure much reason exists for a four manual organ.   But folks that can afford it can spend their money as they see fit.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:08:01 -0800 (PST)   I would like to see the blower that provides 100" wind pressure, and what kind of leather that would stand up to that kind of pressure.   I have heard one trompette-en-chamade on 50" wihd pressure. If you want to know what that sounded like, go to the railroad yard and let them blow a diesel horn in your ear.   D. Keith Morgan     --- Vern Jones <soundres@foothill.net> wrote: > I wonder how many watts of audio system system and > 24" to 30" woofers it > would take to halfway come close to this...100" wow, > how many acoustic > watts, must be an awesome experience...the building > must really shake. > > Antoni Scott wrote: > > > Even now, the 100" Ophicleide added to the > > full organ (160 ranks) was a mind-boggling > experience. I can't imagine the > > other three 100" reeds being added to the > remaining 289 ranks that were > > available in 1932 !!!! > > > > Wanamaker is the only organ, today, that comes > close to the collosal sound > > of the Midmer-Losh. Bigger is always better. > > > > Antoni Scott > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:58:54 +1300   1. Bigger is always better than what? You don't say what. 2. Better for what? You don't say what? Music? Noise? 3. "Foort", not "Foorte". 4. Doesn't the Atlantic organ have 455rks, or are we wrong in this, too? 5. If I do understand you to mean the bigger the organ is, the better it = is for musical purposes, this would mean by analogy that a Wagner orchestra = is better than a string quartet, and that maybe Bach was committing musical suicide writing pieces for solo violin or solo cello or solo flute. And = that a vast opera chorus is better than (for example) Placido Domingo singing = on his own. And that tracker action needs to be outlawed. And that acoustics, musical use, available space, none of these matter. Nor do maintenance costs. Nor does good stewardship of resources. Or take another analogy: a 20-course meal is better, in some way, than = what we actually need and can absorb. Or that I should have 32 pictures on my wall instead of one. And that "small is beautiful" and "less is more" are both ridiculous comments. And that .... well, you might get the picture, but clearly if I used 947 analogies, you'd understand better than if I use just one.   >Bigger is always better.   >Bigger is always better.   I'm going to hate going through all my recordings and deciding that only = the "Bach on the Biggest" and Fox at Wanamaker are worth keeping, and that organs like Zwolle, Haarlem, Alkmaar, Gouda, Marmoutier, Southwark, = Brescia, and a host of others, are 5th or 10th or 37th-rate.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Huge Church organs From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:38:01 EST     --part1_18.2cce8a6e.2b8150a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi......   As one that lives in Salt Lake City, has played the Skinner in the Salt = Lake Tabernacle, the new Schoenstein at the LDS Conference Center, the large Austin at St. Joseph's Cathedral in Hartford and many other large instruments, I agree that big is OK!   With that said, have you selected a builder yet? Just curious.   Good luck with what sounds like a very exciting project.   Sincerely,   Bill Hesterman   --part1_18.2cce8a6e.2b8150a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi......<BR> <BR> As one that lives in Salt Lake City, has played the Skinner in the Salt = Lake=3D Tabernacle, the new Schoenstein at the LDS Conference Center, the large = Aus=3D tin at St. Joseph's Cathedral in Hartford and many other large = instruments,=3D20=3D I agree that big is OK!<BR> <BR> With that said, have you selected a builder yet?&nbsp; Just curious.<BR> <BR> Good luck with what sounds like a very exciting project.<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Bill Hesterman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18.2cce8a6e.2b8150a9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Huge Church organs From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:40:31 EST     --part1_ad.2ac83add.2b81513f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Oh dear........   I thought that I was sending a private response. List members, please forgive the use of your bandwidth.   Bill   --part1_ad.2ac83add.2b81513f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Oh dear........<BR> <BR> I thought that I was sending a private response.&nbsp; List members, = please=3D20=3D forgive the use of your bandwidth.<BR> <BR> Bill</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ad.2ac83add.2b81513f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:06:08 -0600   I have to say, any organ of whatever size, well built and voiced, and has = a good lung capacity can be very good at what it does. the 45 rank 3 manual organ at Church of the Advent in Boston is an excellent example. That = organ is just as valid, and wonderful, as the Wanamaker organ. I just get = annoyed with people who refer to the Wanamaker organ as if it were an = embarrassment, and something typically American because of it's size....and then I'm left thinking of the big beautiful organ at Westminster Cathedral and the one = at Notre Dame. So Big doesn't always connotate something embarrassing and American...and that's a good thing. But big isn't everything, nor is it something to just be dismissed. No more so than smaller organs. Again, = the organ at the Church of the Advent which can do well for itself in playing French, English and German organ works, and then that beautiful French = organ that Olivier Latry played back in 1987 when he recorded the works of Durufle. I can't remember the name of that Organ, but it was definitely under 100 ranks, and it's sound was GORGEOUS! The Carillon Fugue, (sp?) = was meant for that beautiful instrument. :-{)}   The only organs that I have so far had exposure to, that deserve embarraasment are the Squawkboxes made by Wheezer-Rowboat. >:-{)}   Hmmmmmm...my grouch factor is up, which means my blood sugars down, which means, time for me to eat.   cheers folks! :-{)}   Bill   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Ross & Lynda Wards Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:59 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs     1. Bigger is always better than what? You don't say what. 2. Better for what? You don't say what? Music? Noise? 3. "Foort", not "Foorte". 4. Doesn't the Atlantic organ have 455rks, or are we wrong in this, too? 5. If I do understand you to mean the bigger the organ is, the better it = is for musical purposes, this would mean by analogy that a Wagner orchestra = is better than a string quartet, and that maybe Bach was committing musical suicide writing pieces for solo violin or solo cello or solo flute. And = that a vast opera chorus is better than (for example) Placido Domingo singing = on his own. And that tracker action needs to be outlawed. And that acoustics, musical use, available space, none of these matter. Nor do maintenance costs. Nor does good stewardship of resources. Or take another analogy: a 20-course meal is better, in some way, than = what we actually need and can absorb. Or that I should have 32 pictures on my wall instead of one. And that "small is beautiful" and "less is more" are both ridiculous comments. And that .... well, you might get the picture, but clearly if I used 947 analogies, you'd understand better than if I use just one.   >Bigger is always better.   >Bigger is always better.   I'm going to hate going through all my recordings and deciding that only = the "Bach on the Biggest" and Fox at Wanamaker are worth keeping, and that organs like Zwolle, Haarlem, Alkmaar, Gouda, Marmoutier, Southwark, = Brescia, and a host of others, are 5th or 10th or 37th-rate.   Ross     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: Huge Church organs From: "Bill Sebring" <baircub@austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:06:08 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2D5CC.EF96FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   no problem...I enjoyed reading your post! :-{)}     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of OrganMD@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:41 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Huge Church organs     Oh dear........   I thought that I was sending a private response. List members, please forgive the use of your bandwidth.   Bill   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2D5CC.EF96FE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D650480521-16022003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>no=3D20 problem...I enjoyed reading your post!&nbsp; :-{)}</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D650480521-16022003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D650480521-16022003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>OrganMD@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:41=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Huge =3D Church=3D20 organs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT = lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Oh dear........<BR><BR>I thought that = I =3D was sending=3D20 a private response.&nbsp; List members, please forgive the use of your = =3D   bandwidth.<BR><BR>Bill</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2D5CC.EF96FE50--      
(back) Subject: RE: Huge Church organs From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:09:36 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2D5FF.B6045722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I thought you were eating.... :-)   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sebring [mailto:baircub@austin.rr.com]=3D20 Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:06 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Huge Church organs   =3D20   no problem...I enjoyed reading your post! :-{)}   =3D20   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of OrganMD@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:41 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Huge Church organs   Oh dear........ =3D09 I thought that I was sending a private response. List members, please forgive the use of your bandwidth. =3D09 Bill=3D20     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2D5FF.B6045722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Wingdings; panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I thought you were eating&#8230;. =3D </span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DWingdings><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Bill Sebring [mailto:baircub@austin.rr.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February = =3D 16, 2003 3:06 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PipeChat<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Huge Church = =3D organs</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <div>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>no problem...I = =3D enjoyed reading your post!&nbsp; :-{)}</span></font></p>   </div>   <div>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   </div>   <div>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   </div>   <blockquote style=3D3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left: ..5in'><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On =3D Behalf Of </span></b>OrganMD@aol.com<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February = =3D 16, 2003 2:41 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Huge Church = =3D organs</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3DArial FAMILY=3D3DSANSSERIF><span = style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Oh dear........<br> <br> I thought that I was sending a private response.&nbsp; List members, =3D please forgive the use of your bandwidth.<br> <br> Bill </span></font></p>   </blockquote>   </div>   </body>   </html> =3D00 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2D5FF.B6045722--  
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:35:51 -0500   While not doubting that 100" reeds make a substantial noise, I remember = reading somewhere that a human trumpet player can produce (presumably at fff) about 35" = water-column pressure. This, in the interest of some additional context.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Need hymntune From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:41:59 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0049_01C2D5D1.F178C460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Sorry Joe, I am not finding that in the 1940 either, also checked a few = =3D others, hopefully someone on the list has the right hymnal for your =3D request. Robert ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Joe Elliffe=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: Need hymntune     Hi Folks =3D20 =3D20 I am looking for the hymntune for "O God of Light, the dawning day- I = =3D think its in the Hymnal 1940- I can't find my copy and its not in the =3D 1982 book Thanks Joe   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0049_01C2D5D1.F178C460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sorry Joe, I am not finding that in = the =3D 1940=3D20 either, also checked a few others, hopefully someone on the list has the = =3D right=3D20 hymnal for your request. Robert</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:jelli@tampabay.rr.com" =3D title=3D3Djelli@tampabay.rr.com>Joe=3D20 Elliffe</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 16, 2003 = =3D 1:42=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Need hymntune</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Folks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am looking for the hymntune for = "O =3D God of=3D20 Light, the dawning day- I think its in the Hymnal 1940- I can't find =3D my copy=3D20 and its not in the 1982 book</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2>Joe</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0049_01C2D5D1.F178C460--    
(back) Subject: Blowing 35" water column pressure From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:26:10 -0500   At 04:35 PM 2/16/03 -0500, Stan Yoder wrote: >While not doubting that 100" reeds make a substantial noise, I remember >reading somewhere that a >human trumpet player can produce (presumably at fff) about 35" >water-column pressure. This, in the >interest of some additional context. Stan, and others,   I used to run a Summer Science week for 11 and 12 year olds, and one of = the things that I used to do was to get them to blow into a water manometer, - =   really just to let them see how we measure pressure in a simple manner.   One Summer I had an 11 year old boy who was able to blow 35" of water, = and on asking him, - yes, he was a trumpeter in his school band! In fact, he really looked the part too, he was quite stocky with very big cheeks, - and, I might add, cheeky with it!   What this has to do with organs is beyond me, but there it is!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Even Bigger than Huge Pipe Organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:27:52 -0600   D. Keith Morgan wrote:   > I have heard one trompette-en-chamade on 50" wihd > pressure. If you want to know what that sounded like, > go to the railroad yard and let them blow a diesel > horn in your ear.   Actually the organ stop is probably louder than the horn of a diesel locomotive. Locomotive horns generally produce about 115 dB, which is about the same as a Tuba on 20" wind. A stop on 50" wind might well be quite a bit louder, although there may not actually be a great deal to be gained by going to pressures beyond about 30".   John Speller